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  1. Christian1488

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    The anti-christs are pretending to be the chosen people,Israel calling themselves the chosen people...

    Insults Against Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

    Gloats over Christ Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

    Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

    Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."

    Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

    Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

    Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

    " Sanhedrin 105ab: "Jesus fornicated with his jackass.

    " Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.

    Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.


    Anti-christ or not?

    You honestly think the Jews are the chosen people?

    ...I imagine that if the Jews were the chosen people,that would mean God chose anti-christs as his people, does that make sense to you?

    ...That God chose Esau/Edom over Jacob/Israel, does that make sense to you?
    The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in Modern Jewery."

    ...That Israel is not and does not need to fulfill anything in the Bible,does that make sense to you?
    Such as...
    Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12. --Are the Jews a company of nations?

    Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:13,19; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 22:10; 2[sup]nd[/sup] Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26. -- Queen Elizabeth 2 can trace her ancestry right back to King David...

    Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.--Is the state of Israel,supported by the USA,first among the nations?

    Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35. --Are the Jews an instrument to defeat evil? They have been kicked out of many European countries for their beliefs and practices,they promote pornography,homosexuality,white slavery,crime,anything that is not Christian etc

    Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28. Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

    Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25. -- If that is true,that they have lost trace of their lineage,why do they always defend they are the chosen people?

    Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11. --Read the talmud quotes

    THE JEWISH CHRONICLE, May 2, 1879: "There has always been, however, an unwillingness to admit that a fate which has befallen so many nations has overtaken the Ten Tribes. Why should they have been less tenacious of life than their brethren of Judah? Nay, the Scriptures speak of a future restoration of Israel, which is clearly to include both Judah and Ephraim. THE TEN TRIBES ARE CERTAINLY IN EXISTENCE, ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS TO DISCOVER WHICH PEOPLE REPRESENT THEM." (emphasis added .)

    Many other Jewish sources verify that those we call "Jews" are NOT all of Israel. Isaac Leiser, in THE JEWISH RELIGION, Vol. 1, page 256, writes, "By this return of the captives (from Babylon) the Israelitish nation was not restored, SINCE THE TEN TRIBES...WERE YET IN BANISHMENT."

    The 1905 JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 21, page 249 reads: "If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, they must exist UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME." Again, they must be a people NOT called "Jews.

    The BIBLICA ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 2, Col. 1187, says that the Edomites are part of Jewry. The scientist and historian Dr. David Davidson wrote: "Indeed the Edomites later became completely absorbed in Jewry and under their aggressive intrusion the Jews became racially the medium of expression for the Edomite ideal for which Herod the Great had first given political formation. The Edomite intrusion into Judaism AT EVERY HISTORICAL POINT OF CONTACT is fully discussed in the volumes of the Camb ridge Ancient History. The History of the latest phase of the intrusion (absorption or inter-marriage) is in the summary of the Encyclopedia Biblica, Volume 2, Col 1187 (he then quotes that). Even the fact that the Edomites have at length BECOME JE WS was soon completely forgotten by the exponents of Jewish tradition." (It is this "tradition" which Christian ministers have been tricked into preaching instead of the truth.)


    One American Jew woke up to the lie after living in the Israeli occupational state in Palestine. He put it this way:

    "The American people have been led to believe that Jews are "God's chosen people." This myth was started by a small group of Jews. A few Jewish leaders took excerpts from the Bible and interpreted them to mean that God designated them as "chosen people."

    Are modern Jews Israelites? Are they Hebrews? In their own writings these self-styled "Jews" tell us it is incorrect to call a contemporary "Jew" an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." Under the heading "A Brief History of the Terms for Jew," in the 1980 Jewish Almanac, is the following:

    "Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3

    If modern Jews are not descendants of the original Israelites, who are they? Professor of Medieval Jewish History, Abraham N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, has stated:

    "The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." (The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler (New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)
     
  2. n2thelight

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    "Show me where it says in the Bible that not everyone is a descendant of Adam and Eve."

    All one has to do is read the first chapter of Gen.

    Genesis 1:27"So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

    So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.

    Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

    As you can see there is no mention of Adam,as he has yet to be created.......You should also notice that male amd female were created at the same time and that's not the case with Adam and Eve.....

    Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

    Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

    Now ,here is Adam,and Eve is nowhere to be found at this time,so there is no way one can say that the female in chapter 1 is Eve.......

    Genesis 2:8 "(And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed."

    In this "Eden" which God had formed, He put "eth-ha adham" [not any man, but "the Adam"]. This is the man "Adam" formed from clay in Genesis 2:7, and not the "male and female" of the races of the sixth day creation of Genesis 1:27-28. Eden is a special place that God made, following the seventh day of rest, for a special man called Adam.

    Genesis 2:18 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

    "That the man" refers to a particular man; Adam (eth-ha-adham). This sets Adam apart from the other races created on the sixth day creation. The term "help meet" in the Hebrew text, should be translated "as his counterpart".

    Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man."

    Now we have Eve,and there you should see the difference,and please don't say that chapter two is a recap of chapter one,it's not......
     
  3. Christian1488

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    You have not answered my statement. All you did is dodge it and then turn around and ask me a question.


    I did answer your question,it is for you to figure out,there were people on earth before Adam,otherwise where would Cain seek out a wife and who was he afraid of,if not other people? (Ezekiel 31)

    From my experience with what I have learnt up to this point from the Bible, and it is this: There is a reason why what is mentioned in the Bible is written. But what is written is not everything that happened.....it is basically a summery.

    Genesis 5:4:And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:


    As for your questions,please read Ezekiel 31

    How could everyone spring from Adam?

    The sun was not made until the fourth day(Genesis 1:14-19) but vegetation was made on the third (Genesis 1:11-13) How do you explain that?

    Tell me which ones the Jews fulfill today....
    [size="+3"]THE MARKS OF ISRAEL[/size]
    [size="+1"]By - COL. GORDON "JACK" MOHR[/size]
    [size="+1"]For Christ and Country[/size]

    How strange it is, that with all the definite and positive assurances in the Word of God as to Israel's continuance forever as a Nation, there has never been any continued or persistent effort on the part of genuine Bible believers to find them. That they have been content to let them fade away and vanish into nothingness is surely a deep reproach on all true Christians.
    There is, however, one probable explanation. It was GOD'S WILL AND PURPOSE TO HIDE THEM. While the Jews (some of whom are only a part of the Rouse of Judah) occupied the stage, and even called themselves "Israel", God could work unhindered with and in "Lost Israel", till he had finished his predetermined work, and without them knowing they were the people of the Book. Only as Israel's time of punishment had run out, with the whole of God's purposes at the point of complete fulfillment, was the identity of Israel to become known.
    However, it is a matter of inspired record that God placed "marks" on His people Israel. During the Christian dispensation, Lost Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So then, if we can discover the nations and people with Israel's marks, we have found the people whom God chose to serve Him to be a channel of blessing to all mankind. The God-given marks are very many, and while the following list is not exhaustive, they constitute a chain of evidence utterly impossible to ignore.
    One race, and one race alone, has all these marks. Nations within this race may have only a portion of them, but the race as a whole has them all. With a few exceptions, Joseph (the birthright nation) was the recipient of them all. By inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim (Great Britain) and Manasseh (U.S.A.) will be found possessing them all.
    While Israelites remain in other countries, America is the home of millions of all the thirteen tribes (one out of many) and thus is representative of the whole House of Jacob. We are bound by Israel's responsibilities; fulfilling Israel's destiny. The MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our SABBATH; in our INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our WEALTH; in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in our MISSIONARY ENTERPRISES; in our ARMED FORCES; in our POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE: - all BIRTHMARKS, which neither time, nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.
    1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.
    2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.
    3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.
    4. Israel to have a new home. 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:10; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 17:9.
    5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.
    6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.
    7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.
    8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:13,19; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 22:10; 2[sup]nd[/sup] Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.
    9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.
    10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.
    11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.
    12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.
    13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.
    14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.
    15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.
    16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.
    17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.
    18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.
    19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.
    20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.
    21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.
    22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.
    23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.
    24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).
    25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.
    26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.
    27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).
    28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.
    29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.
    30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.
    31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.
    32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.
    33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.
    34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.
    35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.
    36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.
    37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.
    38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.
    39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:23; 1[sup]st[/sup] Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.
    40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.
    [size="+1"]"YE SEED OF ISRAEL'S CHOSEN RACE,[/size]
    [size="+1"]YE RANSOMED OF THE FALL,[/size]
    [size="+1"]HAIL HIM WHO SAVES YOU BY HIS GRACE,[/size]
    [size="+1"]AND CROWN HIM LORD OF ALL."[/size]
    The End
     
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    I am going to take the advice that Solomon said........Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge -Proverbs 14:7 (KJV). Nuff said.
     
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    I could easily answer all those scriptures but I am done wasting my time.....the same what I said to Christian1488 also applies to you.
     
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    Hi Buzzfruit,

    Certainly there is council which could be provided to a wise man, but Scripture says not to answer a fool. And anyone who espouses white supremacy is a fool, in jeopardy of damnation, each receiving his ~reward~.



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    And what makes you more of an expert than Strong's concordance? Why should we believe you and not Strong's concordance?
     
  8. Christian1488

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    You can't answer where Cain got a wife or who Cain was afraid of without stating there were people around on the earth already before Adam...

    Genesis 4:25-26:[sup]25[/sup]And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
    [sup]26[/sup]And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
     
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    What happens to someone who states Edomite/Anti-christs are the chosen people?

    1 John 2:18:Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    1 John 2:22:Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    1 John 4:3:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 1:7:For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    Why is it that only Jews connect with the description of antichrist/s?

    500. antichristos an-tee'-khris-tos from 473 and 5547; an opponent of the Messiah:--antichrist.


    Revelations 2:9:I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    Who goes to synagogues today? JEWS
    So,why is it called ''the synagogue of Satan.''?

    Revelations 3:9:Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    If the Jews were Israel,then why is it that the white European nations are a blessing to people,and not Jews?(Genesis 12:3)
    Why do non-whites and Jews move to white European countries?
    Why is it that the USA supports the state of Israel and not the other way around?
    Why is it that white European nations are the ones that build the Churches,spread the message of Jesus around,print the Bibles etc etc
    Shouldn't the Jews be doing that?

    Why is it that the white European nations are a company of nations,shouldn't the Jews be a company of nations if they were really Israel?

    Queen Elizabeth 2 can trace her ancestry back to King David,if the Jews were Israel,shouldn't there be a Jew who could trace their ancestry back to King David?


    Can anyone answer those questions?
     
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    Well then why don't you.........And just so you know,Im not white...............
     
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    One can take scripture a many different ways and it has been taken many ways by many people including the mainstream teachers and preachers today which are mostly clueless.
    Knowledge is not given to all. :for many will say in that day..... Lord Lord didn't we prophesy in your name....

    Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Raca is Aramaic and most translations has it as FOOL.. Therefore this is talking directly to you Mister Biblescribe, and...
    Biblescribe you're not!
     
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    Because the promises from God were made to Abraham. The beginning of the Jews.
     
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    It’s not just that.....it is that Christians keep believing and saying that Jews are God's chosen people even though the Old Covenant has been abolished by Jesus death, and failing to understand that God's chosen people is the Church under the New Covenant.
     
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    To All,

    It is the epitome of self grandeur for some to suppose they are the center of the earth. And certainly where these believe that of Christianity, GOD has preserved his Chosen for their appointed completion:

    Romans 11
    [sup]25[/sup]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
    [sup]26[/sup]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
    [sup]27[/sup]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


    So for the ignorant and self-centered individuals, put away your conceit and accept that GOD blinded the Jews for a season so that you could join that relationship.


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    You think the Jews are Israel?

    Abraham was not a Jew....

    18. You often quote the promises in GENESIS to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as referring to the Jews. In Genesis 17:5, God promised Abraham he would be "a father of many nations." The Jews are not "many" nations.
     
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    I think you, "Israelsson", and "TheWarIs1" have a date with eternal regret. The only difference is that a satanist knows his lord (although that eternal experience will be different than he/she thinks), and you have yet to come to that realization.

    But I anticipate that result will be the same.



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    Really,and your the one who says the Edomite,Khazar,anti-christs are Israel.....

    Please,tell me if you are sure the JEWS are Israel,answer these as to why they do not connect with the Jews....

    Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12. THE JEWS ARE NOT A COMPANY OF NATIONS

    Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25. IF THEY HAD LOST TRACE OF THEIR LINEAGE THE JEWS WOULD NOT NEED TO DEFEND THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE...

    Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11. READ THE TALMUD QUOTES

    Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35. ?????????????????

    Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:13,19; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 22:10; 2[sup]nd[/sup] Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26. WHY IS IT QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 CAN TRACE HER ANCESTRY BACK TO KING DAVID?

    http://www.israelect.com/reference/JackMohr/JM050.htm - THE MARKS OF ISRAEL

    DO YOU HAVE ANSWERS TO THESE? CAN YOU REFUTE THEM? CAN YOU MAKE THEM CONNECT WITH THE JEWS?
     
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    Besides, Paul tells us that the promise to Abraham's flesh is already fulfilled. All we need do is listen to what he says:

    Hebrews 11:12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.”

    And again denoting that Paul saw that as already having been fulfilled on the flesh, Paul applied the following to his day:

    Romans 9:27 “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved::

    The fact is that even our modern census is only an estimate of the world’s population.

    As Abraham pictured the one true God, Isaac pictured the Son of God who created the first Adam. ("Let us make man in our image")

    Jacob therefore pictures the first Adam. And Jerusalem as to the flesh pictures Eve. Proverbs 1:8 "My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother." Jerusalem as to the flesh is thus Jacob's wife who on behalf of her husband dispenses the Law to his children which was given to him of God as it was Adam.

    Thus Jacob's children were a picture of this entire world's people descended from Adam, the tribes merely denoting their national divisions.

    When Jacob's name was changed to Israel it denoted that a true contender for the faith of God would take the place of the first Adam (thus Jesus is referred to as the last Adam at 1 Cor. 15:45) so that those of the first Adam's children who also showed the faith to contend and endure God's discipline could be saved.

    So we see that really Israel as to the flesh was just God's picture to us of what he was doing with this world. That is why:

    Romans 3:19-20 "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

    God selected the most stiff-necked people in the world to create a picture for the world. And while he was at it he used them to get the seed of our salvation to us.
     
  19. Buzzfruit

    Buzzfruit New Member

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    Correct, and in addition to that is that the Old Covenant was only about physical blessings......it never included salvation. The New Covenant is by far a superior Covenant.
     
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    James 1:1:James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

    How is everyone Israel?
     
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