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  1. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Duckybill


    Calling Jews of the Devil is not judging righteously. It is Satanic.


    Let me put it to you this way,the majority of those in the nation of Israel,are not Jews..........

    Revelation 2:9
    I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    If they were true Jews of the tribe of Judah they would know Christ...........


    John 10:23 "And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch."
    Solomon's porch had crumbled, but what Jesus is calling our attention to here is what happened to the priesthood. Jesus is setting the stage for understanding of that priesthood, and weaving it together with this "parable of the sheep that know His voice". Jesus is going to show us why some sheep just do not know his voice.
    Why would Jesus draw attention to Solomon's porch? It was King Solomon that allowed the Nethinim [foreigners given to liturgical service] to do the hard temple chores that were set aside by God for only the Levites, of the lineage of Aaron.The Levites became lazy and over worked, so Solomon brought in the Kenites, these Nethinims to do the wood cutting for them. This is spoken of in the Book of Ezra.
    Ezra 2:58; "All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants, were three hundred ninety and two."
    These Nethinim priests were not of Judah, and Ezra knew that these priests were the offspring of those Kenites that were brought in to help the Levitical priesthood, against God's instructions. When you read the names of the forty two thousand that came out of Babylon, about one half of the names are Kenite, and not of Judah or Benjamin, but Nethinim [foreigners]. The Kenites had taken over the priesthood from top to the bottom, all of the priestly duties, and this is why Jesus would say in Matthew 23:2; "the scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat:"
    What this then meant was that the Kenites that Solomon brought in to cut wood, had by Christ time taken over the Temple of God. They were the children of Satan through Cain that sat in Moses seat administering the law, but instead of teaching the law, they had taught their own traditions instead.
    It all came about when man tried to make the duties of God easier for the preacher. They brought in foreigners of other religions that had no business to in God's house, and by Jesus day these Kenites changed the very Words and laws of God and substituted their own traditions. The illusion many have today is that everyone does the work, and the pastor avoids the work and the stress.
    So Jesus is trying to teach us a lesson in this 23rd verse, He wants you to hear His voice, and not the voice of some Nethinim, or hireling. We are to be able to tell the difference between His Word, and the traditions of men. Jesus is warning us to recognize His Word, for the thieves and robbers have crawled over the church fence, and are dumping their traditions and doctrines on you.
    John 10:24 "Then came the Jews round about Him, and said unto Him, "How long dost Thou make us to doubt: If Thou be the Christ, tell us plainly."
    Many of the Kenites knew what Jesus had been talking about, concerning Solomon's porch. That is the workplace where they entered the priesthood and got their foothold in the first place.
    John 10:25 "Jesus answered them, "I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me."
    Jesus told them that all the things that I have accomplished bear witness that they are My Fathers works. Jesus is telling them that if you really knew the Words of Moses and the Prophets, you would have known that these Works were prophesied long ago.
    John 10:26 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you."
    Jesus identified them in John 8:44; "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
    Satan is the "father of all lies", and "Cain" was "the first murderer", and that is where these Kenites got their name in the first place. "Kenite" means "offspring of Cain"
    Jesus told them in John 8:47;"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
    Though these Kenites sit in the seat of Moses, they lie like their father Satan, and plot as murderers like their father Cain. These are strong words that Jesus Christ is telling them, for He is revealing their hidden secrets to us even in our generation. They claim to be of Judah, yet they are of the synagogue of Satan. This is recorded facts from God Word, and will be enlightening to those who are of God. To those who do not believe this, Jesus tells us why; "because ye are not of My sheep".
    John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:"
    These Kenite Pharisees, scribes and Sadducees don't have ears to hear, and no matter how you tell them, if they are not of Christ, they simply cannot understand what you are saying. It is like a mental block that God has placed on the minds of the spiritually blind.
    On the other hand, Christ's sheep, or those of the elect, or who have received Christ by their own free will will read God's word and know what the words say, and hear the Holy Spirit of God, as He leads them through life.
    John 10:28 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand."
     
  2. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    You can answer that yourself. Did you give or was it taken from you?
    Stop blaming Israel for USA's problems.
    Of course not. God is going to save them. He is going to fight against their enemies.

    Zechariah 14:3-4 (NKJV)
    3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
    All Jews? You are judging unrighteously.
    I never said that. Why are you? I clearly stated that God raised the Nation of Israel from the dead to warn us of THE END.
    Can't you God change people's hearts??? Mine can and does.

    Ezk 36: 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;

    Are you saying YOUR race is sinless? Why are you continually railing against Jews?
    So you are right and ALL the 18 translations I quoted are wrong? Nah.
     
  3. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    God will sort them out.
    That is referring to UNGODLY Jews. It is NOT condemning all Jews.
    And your point is? There are good Jews and there are bad Jews. Just like there are good and bad in YOUR race. Does having bad people in YOUR race make YOU bad? Of course not. And neither do bad Jews make all Jews bad.
     
  4. TheWarIs1

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    Jews aren't a race. They claim many different things. They claim to be a nationality mostly and some have admitted that they have no Hebrew blood.

    Did Elohim like the descendants of Esau? Were there any of Esau's kin that he didn't hate for ever?
    I suppose you have just written them off like they no longer exist because scriptures says that Elohim would destroy them.

    Did Elohim love some of Esau's kin or did he really hate them all for ever?



    Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    Mal 1:4 /....... The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

    They still walk the earth. These people were in Israel pretending to be Scribes according to scripture.


    ~Edomites
    Jer 49:15 For, lo, I will make thee small among the heathen, and despised among men.



    "Edom is in modern Jewry." —The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol.5, p.41



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  5. Christian1488

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    You have a twisted belief if you think God takes from Christians to give to anti-christians--if God does that,why in the world was Jesus sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,if God was Just going to take care of an anti-christ people instead of Christians,who believe in Jesus?or for that matter,why would the Bible be filled with marks for Israel to fulfill,Just so Israel would NOT have to fulfill them? i.e company of nations, lost trace of her lineage etc etc


    As for blaming Israel for USA's problems,The USA supports Israel leaving thousands poor,send a heap of money to Israel each year,Israel was to be a blessing to people,the way it it,now,modern Israel is a curse,not a blessing!
    ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT GOD TAKES FROM CHRISTIANS,PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS AND GIVES TO ANTI-CHRISTIANS!
    Why in the world would anyone be a Christian if God supports people who are not christian?

    And who are the Jews' enemies?Do you have answers for that?
    The enemies of Christianity are the Jews,they are anti-christian in their doctrines(talmud) they are the enemies!
    Are you saying God will fight the Christians and save the anti-christs?
    It speaks volume of what YOU think of Christianity,if you think anti-christs will be saved and the enemies of the anti-christs,Christians,will be destroyed!

    "The Messiah [is] without metaphor the Jewish people" Kethuboth 111a.

    Are you trying to imply that it is a belief of only 10 or 20 Jews and not on a worldwide Jewish belief? The Jews follow the talmud,right?
    That is in the talmud!
    To say not all Jews is to say not all Jews follow the talmud....

    In your argument you ''imply'' that God does not keep his promises to his people(if they are Jews) and that they need not fulfill anything in the Bible( if they are Jews),your argument implies that!
    To say Jews are Israel is to state that fact!

    Against the Jews,let's see,because certain people think they are chosen when some Jewish texts show they are not chosen!(they are not Israel)
    That is an example of how you blindly state the Jews are chosen when even the Jews give that topic thought and consider it!

    I was quoting the meaning of the word Jew in the Greek strong's exhaustive concordance,it does not mean race!(which you impy that Jesus is king of a Jewish race)
    A difference,you quoted Jew,I quoted the definition!

    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:(John 10:27)
     
  6. Duckybill

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    I feel greatly sorry for you Jew/Jesus haters. You will soon stand before Jesus the Jew.
     
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    Christian1488 New Member

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    Do you even know what the word ''Jew'' means,do you even read the strong's definition I posted?

    http://www.sheldonem...%20Galilean.pdf - Jesus Christ The Galilean

    http://www.israelect...sus-jewish.html - Jesus Christ Was Not Jewish

    The Bible says that Jesus was a Galilaean. Matthew 21:11, Luke 23:5-7.
    The Bible says that Jesus was from Nazareth. Matthew 21:11, Matthew 26:71
    The Bible says that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, a Judahite, because his lineage went back to Judah. Matthew 1.

    The term Jew in many places should have been translated Judean (as in country). Any one who lived in Judea was called a Judean which is erroneously translated Jew in the scripture. The word Jew in scripture is not equivalent to the word Israelite. In other words not all "Jews" are Israelites and not all Israelites are "Jews" or not all Judaeans are Israelites and not all Israelites are Judaeans!
     
  8. lawrance

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    It's a shame that some people just can not pick it up. i think it has to do with being brainwashed.
    Sorry to say Poor ducky is just barking up the wrong tree and running around chasing his tail. as no one is down on the Jewish people as a race.
     
  9. TheWarIs1

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    Some people are just followers and some followers of tradition. Many followers have never been filled with the spirit or with understanding.

    There are many spiritual gifts and some gifts aren't very helpful in biblical understanding and many people just go along with what ever they are taught.
    Closed minded.




    Jesus Mother was of the tribe of Levi like his Aunt and her son John the baptist, How was Jesus of Judah?
    By adoption or because he was born in Judea?


    Or did he somehow follow Judaism or is it because all of Israel were known as Jews?
    Thees two are false



    The word Jew is the most confused word used in the English language.
     
  10. n2thelight

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    That is referring to UNGODLY Jews. It is NOT condemning all Jews.



    The scripture does not say anything at all about ungodly jews,it says they are not Jews,period.....What part don't you understand?

    Revelation 2:9
    I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but are the synagogue of Satan.
     
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    Mary was of both the tribe of Levi and the tribe of Judah. That is how Jesus is of both tribes.
     
  12. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Let's look at this from another angle....

    Some of you guys are claiming that Jews deserve any poor treatment they receive because they are condemned be God so often in the Bible - God hates them for everything they have done or failed to do......

    Here's my question:

    Can you name one ethnic group or civilization that is not guilty of all the trangressions that Jewish people/nation were guilty of?

    There are none.

    The bible is a history of humanities transgressions against God starring the jewish peole and His unconditional love for us. Instead of scapegoating the Jewish people for your own transgressions and the transgressions of your nation/ethnic group; i invite you to open your eyes and tend to your own sanctification.
     
  13. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Don't know how many times Ive got to say this,here it is again

    Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, [but thou art rich] and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

    Did you catch that,if not here you go again

    Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the syna-gogue of Sa'-tan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."


    Those of the "synagogue of Satan" are the "Kenites", Now my question to you all is,do you know who the kenites are?If not,that's the problem..............
     
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    What you are missing is the description of Edom as the border of wickedness.
    They are not the Hebrews of old. They admitted it to Christ in his day when they said we're not in bondage to any man..
    Hebrews were Egypt and Babylon as slaves but no these Jews.

    Most Jews have no relationship to old Israel. Zero!.
    There have been many Jews who admitted it yet many Christians slumber endlessly and have no clue what is going on over in Patelstine and who these people are.
    You for one must be blind to the truth.

    If Jews are despised and hated by many it's because they have brought it on themselves.

    do you lik prophecy?
    Try this one on.
    Jer 49:15 For, lo, I will make thee small among the heathen, and despised among men.
    Who is this talking about ? Edom



    "From this time the Idumeans [read: Edomites] became an inseparable part of the Jewish people?, Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, in Volume 8, page 1147


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    Yes.just about all other races.
    Jews brought our world porn and force sex-ed on our kids with bestiality, homosexual teachings and every sickness on our kids.
    They are antichrist, like it or not. They gave the world many wars. Including the bogus ones we are in today.
    WW1 & WW2. They created Communism.
    Red is the color of Edom and communism. Coincidence? Not at all.


    They gave us Obama and have took over our government while implementing every unfair and discriminatory practice against Jacobs seed.
    We are living in the time known as Jacobs Trouble.

    They control over 90% the world media outlets.
    They control Hollywood. They are the ones ushering in the NWO.
    They are the synagogue of Satan.

    they created Liberalism, communism, feminism..


    They defend criminals against Christians.
    They fight against Christians with the ADL, ACLU and many other Jewish organizations..

    They gave the world usury and enslaved the masses.
    They murdered the Russian royal family and established communism in Russia
    They have infiltrated most every nation in the world and took over at some time or another.
    They are parasites of the common nations.
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    They destroyed millions of Russian Christians.
    They were in on the genocide of millions of christian Armenians.
    They hate you because you are a Christian .

    This is only a small list of the problems the Jews have brought us.
    Who else is as bad as the co-called border of wickedness?
     
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    I was with a mate one day and he had introduced me to a mate of his on saying my name his mate said i was a Jew !
    To me that would be the most insulting thing to say to me as it could imply i am a enemy of Christ.
    But there is no point in talking about it to him as he is an idiot that does not want to understand but just rants and raves with such a short sighted narrow minded load of crap, it's a scary thing stupid people like that and they are every where, they could be just like a lot of your average joe blow Jew supporters who are sympathetic because of what they perceive the Jews have gone through ? but most of them are just TV brainwashed dolts. who could easy switch one day because they are not educated enough to understand jack.
    Everything comes down to Sin ? and that is why we will all be purged by the fire. as Sinfulness grows this = death, the wagers of Sin ? all have to repent of our sin. or we are lost.
    The Devil is so cunning the master of Lies etc, he can lead fools down the garden path. and hate is one of his tools.
     
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    They they they ? not only they ? it's all because Satan has got a hold on people removing them from Christ Jesus and is leading them to there doom. people are to weak to stand up and be in Jesus to repel the slandering forces.
    We can move mountains if we are in Jesus Christ as noting can stand in your way then. even Satan had to leave when Jesus said to.
    Christians have to unight and expose the lying filthy trash people but then again they love being trash i think, so it will just mount up until the day comes.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Nice job not answering my question guys. Lot of hot air, no substance......how predictable
     
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    God love is not unconditional aspen.
    I do not put any race up above any other.
    God loves us all but hates the sin and only the sin.
    The Jews as we can call them lost it all due to sin and sin is of the Devil the tempter and we will lose every thing due to it as well and we will become slaves.
    Remember Holy Moses came to set the people of God free from slavery and the people of God do not need to be slaves because they are not filthy stupid lost numbskulls and they are not a race so to speak.
    The commies will have it their way with control over all the moronic fools an they will make sure that no one dare say the word Jesus. and we have fools that say they are Christians and support communism they are idiots and fools. i have seen people in authority who handed out harsh treatment under communism who were terrified themselves of the system. talk to them and see how you go with your dream.

    By saying the trash people ( the Bible calls them dogs) i mean all the trashy people aspen not just Jews.
     
  20. us2are1

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    Everyone who rejects Christ, by not doing what Christ said to do, is subject to those things which happen to the ungodly daily. All over the planet and to the Jew first. That is regardless of what they claimed with their mouth. Not a single Christian has died in a car accident or on mans battle field with a gun in their hand. Does that answer your question?

    Luke 13
    1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
    2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
    3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent , ye shall all likewise perish .
    4 Or those eighteen , upon whom the tower in Siloam fell , and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
    5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent , ye shall all likewise perish .

    Romans 1
    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Romans 2
    10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:




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