Job 17

[bbyrd009]

[Note: this was true until the resurrection of Christ. The righteous dead were taken to Heaven by Christ upon his ascension, and now they go directly to Heaven where all the OT saints reside]

note: youre making stuff up now, that goes directly against Scripture! No one has ever gone up to heaven, regardless of what you say or believe wadr, sorry

[Note: an actual dialogue in Hades between the Rich Man and Abraham]

note that that is a parable, and no actual conversation took place. There is no "punishment" in Hades' mythology, and so a deliberate portrayal is being made that you are being allowed to glom onto and misinterpret, note that this is always the parable "believers" run to for this, there is no other Witness in Scripture for the concept you hope and imagine you might promote from it, and no offense but you are fighting Yah tooth and nail imo

 

[bbyrd009]

Possibly the rich man and Lazarus are one in the same?

anything's possible, but Lazarus is surely meant to rep Eleazar, and the RM the establishment under Rome?

 

[bbyrd009]

Wow WOH....I just now really saw that verse you quoted...he was mad at Job because: he justified himself...wow...

yeh, "justification" is maybe not always a good thing, huh

 

[Enoch111]

Elihu is Elijah.

Not that this is critical but the two names are not identical or interchangeable.

Elijah or Eliah = "my God is Jehovah" or "Yah(u) is God"
Elihu = "He is my God" or "God of him"

If indeed Elihu was speaking on God's behalf (as he so boastfully claimed) how is it that God commended only Job, but did not even mention Elihu?

 

[Enoch111]

Possibly the rich man and Lazarus are one in the same?

Why would you say that when Jesus said they were two different men and had two different stations in life?

 

[Waiting on him]

Why would you say that when Jesus said they were two different men and had two different stations in life?

I've had two different stations in my existence.

 

[Giuliano]

Not that this is critical but the two names are not identical or interchangeable.

Elijah or Eliah = "my God is Jehovah" or "Yah(u) is God"
Elihu = "He is my God" or "God of him"

If indeed Elihu was speaking on God's behalf (as he so boastfully claimed) how is it that God commended only Job, but did not even mention Elihu?

If Elihu was boastful and wrong, why didn't God rebuke him too? He didn't. As you write, God doesn't even mention him.

Did God compliment John the Baptist when Jesus was baptized? No, John did his job and faded away. Elijah's job is to prepare the way, to announce, etc. When his job is over, he goes away.

 

[Nancy]

I'm not sure it was tough for Job at that point. I think he had obtained wisdom at that point -- thus he could be like Jesus who prayed for those who crucified him. In the beginning, it's said he was righteous but not wise. I think he realized that his friends' advice was based on their need to justify self. . . just as Job's beliefs had been.

I don't think his friends meant to hurt him. I think they were misguided. I see love in their initial silence. What can you say to someone in such a horrible state? No words seem right. No words are enough. Just sitting with him silently for seven days showed they cared. Job then starts the conversation. Eliphaz answers tentatively, hesitantly:

Job 4:2 If we assay to commune with thee, wilt thou be grieved? but who can withhold himself from speaking?

And Eliphaz then says: Job 32:18
"For I am full of words; The spirit within me constrains me."

Sounds like he is bursting with questions?...yet tentative to ask anything of Job.

 

[Giuliano]

And Eliphaz then says: Job 32:18
"For I am full of words; The spirit within me constrains me."

Sounds like he is bursting with questions?...yet tentative to ask anything of Job.

Elihu was angry with them all. They all had lots of words that went nowhere. Note too that Elihu is younger than the rest of them. Perhaps they were too "sophicated" and not direct enough the way a child can be. In a way, it reminds me of the story The Emperor's New Clothes when the adults were avoiding reality and being flattering. "A little child shall lead them."

 

[Waiting on him]

Elihu was angry with them all. They all had lots of words that went nowhere. Note too that Elihu is younger than the rest of them. Perhaps they were too "sophicated" and not direct enough the way a child can be. In a way, it reminds me of the story The Emperor's New Clothes when the adults were avoiding reality and being flattering. "A little child shall lead them."

Elihu in my opinion was angry because everyone had spent 30 some chapters talking about the righteousness of Job.

 

[farouk]

And Eliphaz then says: Job 32:18
"For I am full of words; The spirit within me constrains me."

Sounds like he is bursting with questions?...yet tentative to ask anything of Job.

@Nancy There is a time to speak, and a time to refrain from speaking.