What Happened to JOB??
This is the biggest question when talking about the book of Job. Depending on what version you believe, God sent Satan to prove that Job would not curse God. He did that by destroying His children and stuff. Then He made Job sick with Boils. Job passed and did not curse God. That's one version, they do vary.The book of Job has effected a lot of believers faith. I mean to think at any time God could send Satan on you and Murder your children or do harm to you, just to see where your faith and trust is at. To see if you will stand up and take it like a Christian and still love God. We don't like to think about that. We just know it could happen at any time.Well, The whole point about Job is not the WHY. In fact we have almost 30 some Chapters of Job and his friends trying to figure out the Why for us, and none of them got it right except Elihu. In fact, when God did show up, God never even addressed the Why it happened. You would think if it was an important point, God would have mentioned it.Job 40:7 Gird up your loins now like a man; I will demand of you, and you answer Me. Job 40:8 Will you also annul (set aside and render void) My judgment? Will you condemn Me [your God], that you may [appear] righteous and justified?Notice that God is not Very Happy with Job. I mean Job and his friends wasted how many Chapters trying to figure out the WHY? God did not seem concerned with The Why. What bothered God is that Job was spouting off his own Good works and righteousness. His friends where accusing Job of some sin and they were all WRONG!!! Remember that Elihu is the only one that did not need a sacrifice for all the junk that was coming out of everyones mouth. What did Elihu say?Elihu explained to them.......Job 34:5 For Job has said, I am [innocent and uncompromisingly] righteous, but God has taken away my right.Job 34:9 For he has said, It profits a man nothing that he should delight himself with God and consent to Him.Job felt because of his goodness that none of these things should have come on him. He was mad at God. I have a lot of scriptures that prove Job's attitude Wrong, and serving God profits greatly, but Job did not have those scriptures. Job was ignorant of spiritual things. Thats why God had so much mercy at the end. Elihu continued:Job 34:10 Therefore hear me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God that He should do wickedness, and from the Almighty that He should commit iniquity.This is where Christians get goofy. They can watch a murder on the TV news and think that is EVIL, however if they are in church and say that God took someone (Murdered them as in Job's Children) they call that good with some mysterious purpose. They can't tell the difference between good and evil. Death and destruction is EVIL. ALWAYS!!! Blaming God for it does not make it good.Elihu was clear. God had nothing to do with this. (whole other lesson)Job 35:8 Your wickedness touches and affects a man such as you are, and your righteousness is for yourself, one of the human race [but it cannot touch God, Who is above such influence].Elihu makes a point, Our good works, even though we reap what we so do profit us, it has nothing to do with God's Word and promises. Christians think that working in church or busting there bottoms to do anything for God will somehow keep them safe. It did not work for Job, and it will not work for us. When bad things happen, we wonder how God could allow it or why it happened. I mean we were good people. I got some news.......... THAT IS NOT WHAT YOUR SUPPOSE TO FOCUS ON WHEN TRAGEDY STRIKES!!! Its not the WHY, it's what are you going to do NOW!!!Elihu:Job 35:13 Surely God will refuse to answer [the cry which is] vanity (vain and empty--instead of abiding trust); neither will the Almighty regard it--Job 35:16 Job uselessly opens his mouth and multiplies words without knowledge [drawing the worthless conclusion that the righteous have no more advantage than the wicked].There you go, when things go bad, you can not count on all that good you did. It's vain to God to even bring it up. Your deliverance is in your Trust in Him and Faith that He is good and will come through for you, no matter what the situation. What should have Job done? He should have stood up and said, I trust you Lord that you are good, If I have brought this on myself then show me. I will change it. I believe you shall deliver me and save me from my troubles because you are so mighty and great. Continued:JOB!!! What happened??
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Bad things come on good people. Luk 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: Luk 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. Notice that the man that took heed to what Jesus said and was pleasing to the Lord still had a stream come beating on his house?Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in A lot Christians fall apart when the Weapon shows up. How could God do this to me?? They even go to a Pastor and ask those some questions only to get the same response. God is doing this to work a greater glory in you and to build character. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not the time to figure out the WHY. Don't be a Job, be a doer of the Word and stand up against that thing coming against you. Don't fall apart just by looking at the Weapon, and don't get caught up in what you should have done different. What matters now is that God is good, He is faithful and if you won't buckle and feel sorry for yourself, God will get you out of any mess. Even if He has to bring a loved on back to life. Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: Remember what Jesus did for Jairus ?? He brought his daughter back to life!!! What he did for one he will do for you. He is not a respecter of persons and He is still on the Throne making intercessions for us. He has never changed!!! (Luke 8:41-)Never side with the tragedy or feel sorry for yourself. NEVER!!! it's a good way to miss the power of God getting you out of the trouble. It does not matter how bad it looks or what they tell you. All that should come out of your mouth is God is good and He will deliver me every time. Don't speak anything else unless it's scriptures of getting delivered. A few years back I served God. (Still do) I preached the Word and out of the blue my son got sick. I felt it was just a virus, but after taking him to the doctor they told us it was a rare form of Cancer. They also told us it was not very treatable because it leaves tumors in all the major organs. (T-Cell lymphoma) The B-Cell type is a lot more treatable. My son was rushed to Chicago Memorial Hospital and just Got worse and worse. His whole body turned blue from all the blood vessels breaking all over his skin. After 9 days, I got a call and was told that he would not live. There was nothing they could do. So in a day or so he would be gone. The cancer was just spreading to fast and not responding to Chemo.NOW!!! Let me tell you. I did not think back as to why this was happening to me, or what I did wrong spiritually to cause this. What I needed was God's Mercy and power to deliver. To the best of my knowledge I had done nothing wrong but serve God. It was not the time to dwell on all that, it was time to get in faith and believe!!!!It looked on the outside that prayer was not working. My son just got worse. Well, faith and God's goodness never quits, and when I got the Evil report that he would not make it................ I just laughed, HA HA devil your not going to win!!!! Heb 11:2 For by it (FAITH) the elders obtained a good report. Job could have avoided what happened to him. I know The why, but thats not the point. Job at the time could not have known the Why. You and I don't know everything spiritually we do wrong. What we do know is that we have a good, good God, that Loves his children and will be there for us if we put our trust in Him and His goodness. God has never failed anyone that will have faith in Him and believe his Word. NEVER!!!That is all we need to know when tragedy strikes.Jesus Is Lord.
ToolOfHis
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Think of Job's faith. God pointed him out to Satan saying have you seen my servent Job. I think God knew Job well enough to know he would never give in to Satan even if he removed his hedge of protection from him. I personally think the lesson was for Satan more then anything else. Satan gave it his all but couldn't break Job of his faith and trust in God and got a good look at what a true believer can do when he trusts in the Lord. God restored Job's losses and left me with the realization that God never puts more on us then we can handle. Job should be a mentor for all of us when it comes to having faith and talking to God on a daily bases about our needs..
ToolOfHis Thank you for the Response. Well, look at a few things. First this post was not about the WHY. Job endured though the whole thing complaining. If you take the time to read the whole book of Job. You will find that Job was not in much faith. Ya, He had patience waiting for a answer from God, but He felt what happened to him was not deserved. Thats is why God was not so happy with Him when God showed up. Now think about this carefully. Job is Hard to understand without tons of other scriptures. It's very cryptic as to the WHY it happened. That was not the focus because Satan only had the first 2 Chapters in the Spot Light. The rest was on Job and his friends, and Jobs response. If God made a deal with Satan to prove Satan wrong, then what does that say about God? I mean, Job lost his children and was in great emotional pain and physical pain, just so God could prove something to Satan?That does not seem like the God that would give his only son so that we may escape the Judgment and punishment we truly deserve. In fact, there is no other scriptures that would lead us to believe God would do that to someone, who obeys him. It's just the opposite. No, If you read my whole post Elihu said.Job 34:10 Therefore hear me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God that He should do wickedness, and from the Almighty that He should commit iniquity.If we did that to anyone to prove something to someone, It would be considered Wicked and evil. God would not do that.I may go over the WHY in another post or if there is enough interest somewhere here.Now think about this statement Jesus Made. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Satan can not tell the truth. He don't know how. Why would God make a deal with someone he knew was trying to con him and nothing he said was true? How could God even be tempted by that evil rascal to Harm Job that way?Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: All the scriptures must fit a theory or doctrine. Go study it out and see what you find.Thank you again for the response and be extremely blessed!!!Jesus Is Lord.
ToolOfHis
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Brother Mike,First off i don't personally feel God made a deal with satan. I feel God removed his protection from Job at Satan's request but no deal was struck. I feel God knows all things and knew the out come before it took place. God did let Satan do anything he wanted but take Job's life. I personally think God was teaching Satan a lesson as well as anyone that now reads the book of Job. I feel the lesson taught me is a person can live a christian life style no matter what happens. We all have our trials in life and some people have it far worse then mine ever were or will be. Satan thought for sure that Job would curse God and basically turn from him if he wasn't protected....that didn't happen. I try looking at this from Satan's view. Can we even guess at how Satan would have felt if Job would have cursed God or worse yet if Satan had been able to claim Jobs soul for himself. From every person on earth God pointed Job out. What an honor that was for Job...even if he didn't know about it yet. God was willing to take that chance even though Job was free to make choices just as we are today. Job did complain but when i try placing myself in his shoes , with all his suffering and losses, i would have most likely been worse then Job in the complaint department. Personally speaking i don't think Job had a clue of what was going on or why. That fact itself made him want to know the why part. I think i would have wanted to know why this happened if it were me so i could make an attempt to never let it happen again. We all have bad things happen to us. I'm fairly sure we all complain, some more then others. Some of us try hanging the blame on God for letting things happen but Job wasn't like that. Job may not have had a lot of knowledge about God but i feel he used what he knew to the best of his ability to serve God and live right.. If we all used and lived by what we knew about God to the best of our ability just think of the change it would make in the world as we know it today. Personally..... i think your wrong about Job's not having much faith. Personally speaking when serous trouble strikes me i find my faith seems to grow towards God instead of away from him. I truly feel Job was most likely the same way. I can't picture anyone trying to live a christian life style and praying on a daily bases as often as Job did without having faith. If you don't have faith in God and his abilities then you soon start thinking why bother and you soon find yourself getting further from God.. If i personally don't have faith that something works i don't try it day after day. You see i do the laying of hands on people and i know without my faith in God it would be a waste of my time. I also feel if people didn't believe in God and have faith God could heal them they wouldn't bother asking me to do the laying of the hands. Faith is something that usually grows as you use it . Bad things happen. God knows the reasons even if we don't. I'll use this example. Several years ago ( 9 years ) my brother was murdered for his pickup truck. He was a christian when he died but that didn't ease the pain of loosing him . It was a double whammy because i had just lost my father in February and then in August lost my brother. I found my faith grew as i depended more on God to get our family through all that had taken place. I personally feel as often as Job talked with the Lord in prayer his faith grew. I think God was the only thing he was sure of as things happened to him and it pushed him closer to the Lord.. Again i must say that this is my own personal opinion . I'm just an old country boy that is a prayer warrior. I'm a man with a lot of faith in God that truly believes God knows and can do all things. Brother Mike you did bring up several good points about the book of Job. I plan to start to re-read the book of Job again starting today. I'll tell you in advance that I make it a habit to never argue the bible. I listen to what people have to say, pray on it and read what my bible has to say on the subject. I'm not the best writer and admit i some times have a problem writing what i want to say. I ask that you please bear with me as i re-read and pray on the subject. You'll find i love learning something new about the bible or God. You'll find i sometimes ask dumb questions. I'm old enough to know a dumb question is always easier to fix then a dumb mistake....especially when a soul may lay in the balance. I'm sure i have misunderstood parts of the bible over the years and know for sure that i've corrected those misunderstandings once it was brought to my attention and proved by the bible. I look forward to reading more of your posts and look forward to having more conversations with you in the future.May The Lord Watch Over You,Tool
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I'll address these. First, what a great spirit you have for enduring such hardships of loosing your brother then your father. Most would have blamed God but you did not. Not many people have that resolve, and though I know God helped you though in his Mercy, you still had to make the right choices. I praise God for that. That blessed me to hear those things.You seem to understand spiritual things, So I will take the time to explain further. It will go as I numbered the things I Highlighted in your quotes.1) Very good, Lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Just be careful how your faith is about though. The condition was that you believe in Jesus. Sometimes we can feel so edified we could walk on water. At other times not so much. I have learned not to let these feelings move me but action on what the Words says is also faith. How I feel about it does not matter as the Lord will Confirm His Word with signs following. Your just a Mailman that has a message to deliver. Your not responsible for enforcing the contents of that mail. You just have to be prepared to be a great mailman. Often times I will privately hold my hands up and say. "These hands and blessed by the Lord, they are Holy and Mighty anointed hands That are licensed by Jesus with to destroy any sickness or disease. It is the Will of the Lord these people be healed and I believe he will do so as I obey his Word." It is not always about the mailman, it is also if the person will receive the letter. 2) That's the whole point. Job did not understand why. Times will come when you or I do not know everything. Job could not have known the Why, He still did not know the Why. Knowing the WHY did not give him everything back at the end, and it will not give us back what the devil stole from us. Now your a faith person, So think on this. If the WHY is important then God will tell you why. If we have not been perfect minded toward the Lord on something and it has caused us problems what did he Say?Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. The WHY part is already promised!!! That is why I said it is not the time to consider it while going though a tragedy. It's time to get in faith, and look to the Word and God. If you have sin in your life, then duh!!! the devil has place. Close that door and get mercy. 3) Now look at what you just said. God removed the protection at the devils request, but no deal was struck. Does that make sense? Check your heart. God would have had to make a deal to remove that hedge. You know that something is not right. Would God remove the protection from someone that obeyed him and God considered Job the most just in all the land? All the other scriptures in the Word say different about someone that obeys God. I am sure you know a bunch already, so I won't list them. God did not remove that protection and God made no deal with Satan over Job. The word Behold in Hebrew just means pay attention and look. There is no action word there that suggest anything was done.4) No need to argue brother. It's all a matter of God getting us the correct information so our faith and confidence in him can grow. We don't talk to people by chance. God uses others to open things up and give us more understanding. Now before you go re-read Job again, the answer will not be there until you understands some other scriptures. So think about these things.1) Spiritual law is consistent though the Whole Word of God. Nothing has ever changed. 2) What is God's Character and nature? Would he really allow that to happen to Job if He could have prevented it?3) You think Job was in faith. Was he really? All he did was complain about HIS OWN righteousness and what did God have against him. God corrected him on this and so did Elihu. Faith always responds to God's Goodness and Mercy. Job never did that. Just enduring and putting up with something does not mean faith. It's how you respond, and Job said he wish he wasn't even born. This is feeling sorry for yourself and not faith.4) Is it possible that Job brought this all on himself? What may have Job done if that is the case. If not, then we have to accuse God of doing something very wrong and evil. Let me help you with just this.Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Job did this constantly. Why did he sacrifice for his children all the time? Was it something that a good parent would do out of faith? OR was it something Job did out of fear of loss.Now take a KJV and bible program and count the number of times God warned us in his word to "FEAR NOT" then count the times he said "BE NOT AFRAID"Then read Job 3:25.Be blessed Brother, look forward to hearing from you.
God was already pleased with Job, but he had a plan that would make Job even better. Job was a perfect man, but his perfection needed to be tested. Job said, "God knoweth the way that I take, and when He hath tried me I shall come forth as gold. For HE performeth the thing that is appointed for me, and many such things are with Him." Job 23:10 & 14. God has prepared a special kind of testing for each individual. In Job 32.13, Elihu said, "God thrusteth Job down, and not man." We can well add, "And not Satan, either!" God takes the full responsibility for every person's fall. These are parts of His ways. All negative forces are as a dog on a leash. They can only do what they are allowed to do by the Hand that holds the leash. The perplexities, the trials, the testings, the pressures and the failures are all God's responsibility and it will all be worked into our good. I just believe Satan is nothing but a tool in the hands of an all powerful God and Satan has no power unless God ordained it. Look at Job it was God who inquired to Satan; it was God who had a hedge to protect Job. It was God who inquired to Satan what about my servant Job.
ah, God causes the Evil. Got it. Thank you for making that clear. I thought it was someone else that came to kill, steal and destroy. I must have been wrong. Oh thats right, it was not God, just God sending Satan to do it.After all everything as made by him and for him, correct?We will just blame God!!! sounds like a plan.Thank you for clearing that up. No need for faith, If God sends the devil to kill my children, then what could a mere human like me do about? I just need to learn my lesson, whatever that would be. --------------------
Benoni what bothers me most is that you suggested we Add Satan to the scriptures. We don't add or take away anything from the Word. The other issue is that you Half quoted a scripture to make a point of something that you believe. Elihu was speaking of what the other three were telling Job. They were WRONG. Elihu warned them.Job 32:12 Yes, I paid attention to what you said, and behold, not one of you convinced Job or made [satisfactory] replies to his words [you could not refute him]. Job 32:13 Beware lest you say, We have found wisdom; God thrusts [Job] down [justly], not man [God alone is dealing with him].In other words, that would have been the WRONG thing to say.If you read the Whole chapter of Job 23 you will find this is what Elihu was telling Job about. It's Why Elihu stepped in. Job was blaming God for the Trouble and Job thought his OWN righteousness should have gotten him out of it.Job 23:7 There the righteous [one who is upright and in right standing with God] could reason with Him; so I should be acquitted by my Judge forever.Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Notice nothing mentioned about going though tragedy to grow as a Christian. Satan is not a instructor of the Word.2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Notice that Satan is not mentioned in teaching us anything? Probably not. The Word of God is more than enough, being alive and powerful.Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. Thayer Definition: Chasteneth1) the whole training and education of children (which relates to the cultivation of mind and morals, and employs for this purpose now commands and admonitions, now reproof and punishment) It also includes the training and care of the bodyStrongsFrom G3811; tutorage, that is, education or training; by implication disciplinary correction: - chastening, chastisement, instruction, nurture.God does not use the tools of Hell against His children. If I thought it would help you I would post some scriptures about who God is, but after reading some other post, I see that it would take way to much time, because of you perception of God's and Satan's relationship.Your use of scripture is bothersome also. Jesus Is Lord
ToolOfHis
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( Quote )I'll answer you in this order1) ( answer ) First off i chose my name ToolOfHis because i am nothing more then that. I have the strong faith God can and does heal. I tell people right from the word go that i personally have no powers, healing or other wise. I explain its all up to the Lord . I guess my worst fear is that someone will try giving me the credit for healings. I guess that's why i always explain , before i do the laying of the hands that i have no special powers, i'm just a tool of his that God happens to use. In my opinion God could just as easily use a rock laying in a stream if he wanted to. I usually ask people to read in the book of Mark ,Chapter 11, verses 22 through 26 before i do the laying of the hands on them. I find it helps those that are needing a healing. It seems i get calls from those with cancer 99 percent of the time. They are afraid and worried to death with good reason. Having Cancer has to be one of the worst pieces of news a person can get from his or her doctor. I've found people seem to be able to receive Gods blessings better after reading those few verses. May be it gives them a little extra hope...I don't know but i do know it seems to make a difference. I worked as a welder for over a year and did the laying of hands on two men while i worked there. One night in the parking lot on my way to the car i over heard someone refer to me as healing tom. I can't explain it but i felt a fear come upon me because i was afraid someone would give me credit for the healing of a man that ended up cancer free. One day i will have to answer to God in person. How could i ever explain my taking credit for something he did ??? The truth is i couldn't outside of trying to look important / powerful in someone else's eyes. Looking important or being powerful has never interested me. I guess thats because i've always been happy with who and what i am. I'll be the first to tell you I'm no minister . I also know the only sermon i shall ever preach is the one i try to walk and live daily. I agree with you, a person must be careful of how and what their faith is about. For me its enough to be a prayer warrior and a be a tool God uses to deliver a healing. ( quote )2)( answer ) Brother Mike many times i've been at the place in life that i didn't know the why of things. I can sort of understand how Job must of felt about not knowing but wanted too. Just like my brothers death. To me it was a useless, senseless murder and i don't know why it happened. He would have let the man take his truck but he chose to kill him regardless of what my brother did. WHY ???? I'll never know in this world but yet I feel God always has a plan for everything and has a reason why he allows things to happen. As a result of my christian background i now find myself in a very unusual situation. I find myself praying for the man's soul that took my brothers life. WHY.... some people ask. Over the years i've learned there is no difference in myself and the man that took his life. We have both sinned in God's eyes. To the best of my knowledge God doesn't have degree's of sin. Man can't sin just a little bit. Kind of like a " white lie "....its still a lie now matter how you coat it. We've either sinned or we haven't and i think its safe to say we all have. I think my sins were just as bad and blackish to God as the man that took my brothers life. The only difference is I asked the Lord to forgive my sins and he did and now uses me as a tool of his. I truly hope and pray something happens to turn this man to Christ and he asks forgiveness of his sins too. I feel God will forgive him if he is serous about his request. Can i do any less then to pray for this man knowing God will forgive him of my brothers murder ? My thinking didn't start out that way believe me but with God all things are possible. Another thing i do each night is ask God to forgive any sins i may have committed this day. I think It is possible a person can sin and not realize it at the time. I also ask God to help me be a better person tomorrow then i was today. Some people may look at this as foolishness but its my soul in the balance and i feel its a request God honors. I will say this and then move on. The " why " my brother was killed isn't as nearlly as important to me today as it was when it first happened. The passing of time has a way of changing trains of thought to other things. Do i still want to know....yes. Its just not at the top of the list of things as it once was. I have a feeling later on ,Job pretty much found himself feeling many of the things i feel today. As i have said before....that's just my own personal opinion. ( quote ) 3)( answer ) God , knowing all things, had his reasons for doing what he does in the future or did do in the past. I can't prove it but i have a feeling God knew what Satan would suggest before he even suggested it. I look back at my own past history when i say this next statement. Myself, my brother, my two sisters and my parents all lived Christian life styles before my dad and my brother's death. Yet my brother was murdered. Did he/we do something wrong ? I don't think so. I feel a train of events had to take place in order for Gods future plans to reach full circle. What those plans are or were i don't have a clue. I do know, according to the bible, the hairs on our heads are numbered and I feel if they are then so are our days. I've often thought about the why's of that murder and have given thought that maybe it took my brothers murder to reach lost souls... maybe even his murderer's soul. This is just my own personal thoughts and opinions on this subject. I can say this....several of my relatives have given their souls to Christ sense then. I also know nine years ago if someone would have told me i would one day pray for the soul of the man that took my brothers life i would have told them they must have fell and bumped their head and needed hospital care. Now some people are probably wondering if i bumped mine and am in need of care myself. God does work wonders doesn't he ! I was never one to care what people thought of me , even as a young man. As long as people didn't try giving me credit for something God did in the way of healing what others think doesn't bother me one way or the other. You see ,brother mike, i raised four daughters by myself and i just didn't have the time or cared what people thought of me and i guess it became a way of life to me. I'm proud of all my daughters and the way they turned out so i know God blessed me richly in that area of my life too. My life and what has taken place in it helps me to see that God does make changes in our lives for different reasons. At one time i wondered what my daughters would have turned out like if their mother had raised them or if her and i hadn't divorced or if she hadn't passed away a few years later after our divorce. I've also learned when you open that "what if " box your opening the door wide for Satan to cause havoc in your life. Been there and done that and have the scars to prove it but learned from my mistakes. Now i try hard to stay away for the "What If " corner and take life as it comes. 4) ( answer ) I agree when you say We don't talk to people by chance. God uses others to open things up and gives us a better understanding more often then not. I also think its the same thing basically when God lets things happen. I'm sure we've both seen a lot of harsh things in this world. You ask if i thought it possible that Job brought this all on himself ? The answer to that is no i don't feel that way at all. Just before all this took place God was pointing Job out to those near him. Job must have been pleasing to God for him to point him out that way as his servant. Then you stated..... If not, then we have to accuse God of doing something very wrong and evil. I've had many things happen in my life and have heard of countless times were people were murdered, or died slowly in a fire or other form of death. He could have saved christians from lions just as he did David but he didn't. My thoughts sometimes dwell on the horrors of war and the suffering they cause. Is God a cruel God because he lets things like that happen knowing those that aren't old enough to care about or fight in wars are going to be hurt or killed ? No i don't think so. I strongly believe things that happen to us or those around us is what forms us into what we are today. Some people make the right choices while others seem to blame God for all that happens to them and step further away from him. Free choice is something we all have and use. I don't think God wants any soul to be lost but it happens. I think Only God himself knows why he does or doesn't do something. I've never read anywhere in the bible that states we , as christians, get to know God's mind or we will never feel pain, sorrow or see some form of horror happen that we feel God should have stopped. Do i Blame God for not stopping it...No , Do i Blame God for it happening....No , I truly feel we serve a loving God and what ever he says is a done deal. You and i look at the body of man but i truly think God looks at the soul instead of the body. What scars the body may not necessarily scar the soul but instead improves that soul like it was refined silver. I sometimes wonder about how many people i know that i will be surprised to see in heaven. Then i wonder how many of them will be surprised to see me. I don't try to guess at the why's or why nots of what God does. I have no answer to why Job suffered then or why others do now. They appear to live a christian life style to the best of their ability and bad things still sometimes happen. I do know i serve a just and loving God that has blessed me more times then i'll ever know. I do know his judgements are fair. Times change but God is always the same. I can fully understand why Job did what he did for his children. You see i pray for mine daily and will keep doing so until the day i die. I also pray for ALL of my family members inculding cousins. Who can say how many times lives were spared or souls became Christs because of someone saying a prayer for them on a daily bases or because of something that personally happened to me. Most of my relatives don't even realize i pray for them....thats the beauty of prayer ! Take Care My Brother P.S. 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All that you have written has really blessed me. I see a awesome heart toward God, and believe it or not, thats rare even in Churches. You said so much, and I would like to address much, but not right now. Your still having issues with your brother and I could see the pain is still there. You also lost your wife. If God will, we may get a chance to talk about some of these things in more detail.You lay hands on the sick and they recover if they receive. There are not lots of Christians that step out in that kind of faith and obedience. Amazing. If you can receive what I tell you, then it will truly help your boldness and faith in God, and His Word. We agree people do not meet by chance, and God is faithful to give answers. Seek and YOU SHALL FIND!!!SPIRITUAL LAWS: God's Word is final authority. It is Light and truth. It is more truth than anything we have experienced, seen or heard. Understanding those laws more and more better equip to do the Lords Work. We walk by faith and not sight, How then faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. It comes no other way. Your attitude toward God and all the horrible things you have experienced is truly a blessing to me and God. God has the power to stop these things, then why doesn't He? Why drop the hedge on Job who served him? Bad things happen to good people. You already said God is good, and has blessed you many times. Let me tell you. God is even better than that. So, good that He did not drop that hedge on Job. He is not that kind of God.There is a difference between God having the power to help anyone and a actual place to help them. The power is not even in Question. With just one Word he could put out the sun and boil the oceans on the earth. With a loud voice he could stick his head in the clouds and yell BOW, and every knee on the planet would hit the ground. What is left is the "Place to help." and God's integrity. His integrity goes beyond our understanding, until we really get to understand How he operates. He puts us to shame when it comes to integrity. Now I asked you to do something, but after reading your post, I guess you did not do that. I will help this one time, but better for you that the Holy Ghost show you as revelation. Now the Word was with God and the Word was God. That means the WHOLE Word and not just books, chapters and scriptures. God has never Changed in any of the books despite all these dispensation of times and hundreds of covenants people claim God made. That's nonsense. He has always been a great and loving God from day one, if there was a day one for him. So, that means what God said in Genesis, still applies all the way through revelation, and forever. The Word is not going anywhere or passing away.Now I asked you to count the number of times you see the Words "FEAR NOT" and "BE NOT AFRAID." You will find over 50 times the Words fear not appear and about 48 times Be not afraid appear. There is a reason for this. It's because it's important to our well being and protection. 16 times "BE of Good courage" show up. 24 times "Be not dismayed" show up. Fear of anything is lack of faith. OR it is faith in somethings ability to harm you or your own. Fear is also a spiritual force that is of Satan. It's his doorway to get you. (Sin, Walking out of love also be were discussing fear, which is all connected to fear as perfect love cast it out.) If your in fear about something, then your not believing God, and without faith, it's impossible to please God. Fear = Torment = place for Mr. devil. Do not give the devil place. Job's issue was ignorance of spiritual Law. It was not Jobs fault really. This is why we can't ask the WHY of things. We don't know everything also, unless God feels it's important to reveal these things. Job Chapter one list all the things Job owned and His prayer for his children. There is a reason for this. These are the things that were destroyed by Satan. Job was not praying for his Children in faith. He was afraid they had done wrong and something might happen to them. He had no idea if they did wrong or not. Just in case they did. His sacrifices for his Children where based on fear of loosing them. Prayers based on fear of loosing someone will not help keep them around. It did not help Job, and it won't help us. God knows we love our children, He is faithful to keep them and satisfy them with Long life as he promised. If something goes wrong, He is faithful to let us know and get on our knee's and pray about it. How many times have you been prompted to pray about something? You see what I mean. JOB: 1:1-8At the start of Job Satan shows up with some angels. You better believe God knew why Satan was there. "Have you considered my servant Job, there is none more upright than him." God starts to defend Job right away. Now remember, Jesus said there is not truth in the devil and God can not be tempted with evil. So anything Satan tells God is a lie, and God is not signing up for any deals with Him.JOB 1: 9-11Satan goes into his sales pitch. Satan mentions the hedge. He must have bumped into that hedge before and knows better to cross God. God never acknowledges this sales pitch. Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. This is where people miss it. God never said I will allow you, God never said I give you the power. All God said was "Look and pay attention, the hedge is down and do what you will. Now why would God do that? God never let down that hedge, Satan had a place and God knew it. God must uphold his own spiritual law, and that law says FEAR NOT. The Hedge was already down when Satan showed up.Now Job did not curse God, but it does not matter as God never made that deal with Satan. Satan is a liar.JOB 2: 1-5Satan comes back. Satan wants to kill, steal and destroy some more. Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. This is where we have Men translating the bible. They add words to make things more clear. The Word me is not even suppose to be there along with although though. It should read like this.Still he holdeth fast his integrity to move and destroy him in vain without cause. We know this because God is not going to be involved in something he considers not to have a cause. It's also what the Hebrew says. God never liked the whole situation from the start!!!! Satan had a place though.Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. Once again God says look and pay attention, he is in your hand but don't kill him. Now if Satan killed Job then how would the devil know if job was going to curse him? He wouldn't, and God knew the Devil was just lying through his teeth, thats why God told the devil not to kill him. Now we see that God tried to protect Job by reminding the devil of Jobs integrity. God, never gave the devil permission to get Job, there is no permissive verb in Hebrew from God, just a look and pay attention.However, Job tells us what happened.Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. Job 3:26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came. What Job feared most came upon him.Pro 29:25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe. Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. Now look:1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. Our God would have stopped Satan, if Job would not have given that rat a place. He is a good, good God.Jesus Is Lord.
No God is not evil that is why He create Satan. All good and evil God totally controls and Satan has no power unless God ordains it.
mjrhealthThank you. It takes the ability to listen to ones heart (Holy Ghost) to understand why Satan got Job. God had nothing to do with it. I am truly impressed with your maturity and understanding of the very nature of our Good God. The Satanic Kingdom was not revealed until Jesus came. If you notice the switch from God doing evil in the Old Testament to who really was at fault in the new as Jesus went about doing good, Healing everyone sick and oppressed of the Devil.I ask God about this, and was told of the Lord that Had he revealed the Satanic Kingdom at that time, then people would have tried to appease the devil with sacrifices. God wanted all eyes on him and not the deciever. Without the Holy Ghost, they had no power over the devil anyway and had to rely on the works of the Law to keep them safe from him. That is why Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. Also the Hebrew language that the Old testament was written in had no Passive verb form. It just had perfect and imperfect. So all those places where God said I will do this to you, or that to you means God is going to turn his back and the the enemy run you over. God placed limits on what Satan was allowed to do. Latter on, Jesus gave us authority over him. This is the greater one inside us at Work, the Holy Ghost. Even so, if you obeyed God it would NOT matter anyway because the devil could not get at you in the Old testament. Even if you believe God was the one putting sickness on everyone such as he mentioned in Deut 28 at the end of the chapter.Thank you for you response!!! Be extremely blessed!! :)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Not my Job thread Benoni. Please have mercy on me.
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. Your going to tell me this means God's will and not taken captive by the devils will, even though the people have done wrong to give the devil place. I already see it coming.1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Once again we see the devil act on his own will, trying to find those he may eat, because not everyone will allow him to do so. I am sure Benoni that you have a very good reason why I am reading this scripture wrong. Satan could not possible be seeking anyone on his own. Surly God has to tell him who to Bite. Right? They must have copied the scripture down wrong. My Brother Benoni, I love you!!! I just ask you to take you to please tone it down on the God kills people with the devil theory. God is good, that is why he created Satan to kill, steal and destroy??????????????How can you even think like this.........Be blessed everyone!!!Jesus Is Lord
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Brother Mike, In this post i'm going to change the subject. As i sat here thinking on your post and about my answers to it something came to mind that happened to me several years ago. For some reason i feel a great need to share it with you today. I very seldom talk about this or tell anyone about it. With our posts being read by anyone caring to read them i'm sure there will be remarks made about what i'm about to share with you. I also realize remarks of others don't bother me so that's not an issue for me. I know what i saw and what i felt at that time. Its funny...we just met in this forum and yet i feel you may be the only person i've met in all these years that may understand my vision...or was it a vision at all ? You'll understand my question after you read my post. I'm going to change the name of the woman i talk about for family reasons. I'll just let my reasons go at that. Almost nine years after my wife and i were married this took place. I had taken a job that placed us near to where her sister and parents lived. Her sister lived about ten miles from us in a real nice mobil home park. Barbara lived with her boy friend, had three children and was about as far away from God as she could get. Nothing shamed her is putting it lightly. She first married a friend of mine at the time. That lasted less then a year after her first child was born. She ran around on him and they divorced. She then married a man that later died from his wounds he received in Vietnam. He was paralyzed from his chest down so it didn't take long and she was running around on him too. She became pregnant again. She some how convinced her husband it was his child and kept seeing this other man on the side. She finally had her second child while living with her second husband. A few weeks later they split up and she came to my house . Because of the children i agreed to let her stay at our house until she was able to get a place of her own. I paid for almost everything. Diapers, food, clothing ,formula and ended up paying for some medical bills too. She started seeing someone else and it seemed we became her built in baby sitting service. Shortly after all this was taking place her soon ended up in the hospital again and later died there. He later died there without ever getting home again. After his death she received a call from a lawyer. He informed her of the death and the fact she would receive several thousand dollars insurance money within in a few weeks. I happened to be in the kitchen that morning when the call came in. Her commit when first getting off the phone was (QUOTE: I'm a rich widow ) I think what really disturbed me was she said it with a smile on her face. I left shortly after that to go back to work. While i was gone she told my wife she planned on giving a couple thousand dollars to us for helping her out. When i was told of this later that evening i told my wife" NO...we WILL NOT take one penny. I made a statement then i've never made before. I said she would pay dearly for what she has done and it would happen with in a year. I said plainly i wanted no part of that judgment on me. I insisted my wife not take one thin dime and made it plain that i better not find out that she did. To the best of my knowledge my wife never did take a dime. My sister-in-law moved out with her boyfriend shortly after getting the money. They stayed in my area for awhile then bought a place near her parents. It seemed they were always fighting. Her boyfriend would get drunk , come home and the war would be on. She would kick him out, move another man in and then boot him out so her boyfriend could come back. I can only guess at the times the police must have been called to settle things. In the mean time her parents was always wanting money for this or that and fights would break out over that too. As luck would have it i took a job that placed me about 10 miles from my wife's family members. To say i was feeling much like a cat in a dog pound would feel is putting it lightly. I needed that job to feed my family and it paid good money. I tried my best to stay away from her side of the family but when they park on your door step there is little chance of doing that very often. I did the best i could in this situation not wanting to start a small war with my in-laws. More times then not my sister-in-law and her boyfriend would come over and tell us about the fights they had been in to with one another. They did everything for beat each other with a crutch to throwing water on one another. Finally Halloween came around. We met my sister in law and took the kids out together. The boyfriend already had a good drunk well on the way. We left for home after taking the kids out and they got into it again. The next morning they were still at it. About noon he came over and told his side of the story...she phoned hers in. That evening he was well on the way to another good drunk and they were still at one another's throat. At about 7:30 she called to talk to her sister. After that things got quiet....so we thought. At 1:20 AM the phone rang. I stumbled down the steps, grabbed the phone so it didn't wake the kids. I thought i had over slept and they were calling me to come in. I heard ( J ) voice on the phone. I could tell he was drunk as could be. He kept trying to tell me my sister-in-law was cold. To put it lightly i was in no mood to talk to a drunk at that time of day. I told him to put a blanket on her and started to hang up the phone. Then i heard him say "she's dead". Knowing they had three children in the house and he was drunk i told him i would be right over. He said he had called her parents and the police but no one had come....that's been an hour ago. I awoke my wife and her brother....he was spending the night so he could go with some friends the next day. We got him to watch the kids and we headed to my sister-in-laws house. When i got there the state police were already there. One of them came out of the house and wanted to know what i was doing there this time of morning. I explained the call i received. He wasn't buying it. I asked him what he would do if his sister in law was dead, her boyfriend drunk as a skunk with three kids in the house. Then a sergeant appeared from inside and told the other officer to let us in. We had to stay in the living room until they gave me permission to get the kids up, dressed and out of there. I got the kids and took them to my in laws house. I told them she was dead and that the sergeant would be up to talk with them later. I then returned home with my wife so her and her brother could go back over. Our children were still asleep and i couldn't see telling them what had taken place at that time of morning. ( Now you are up to date on what had happened to that to that point so far. ) When we got home i decided to walk up to the mail box to get the morning paper before going in the house. I had it delivered each morning. I picked up the paper and something caused the hair on my neck to stand up. I've learned a long time ago to take special attention to that happening. I sensed something strange, almost unreal. I didn't have a light with me but i did try looking around to see what it was. I couldn't see a thing so i walked back to the house and went inside. About ten minutes later my wife and brother in law left for their parents house. They had only been gone a few minutes when i heard the back door open and close. To be truthful i thought they had forgotten something. I got up out of the living room chair and looked down the hall. I saw my sister in law walking towards me. She looked real enough to BE REAL. She walked past the washer and dryer and stopped beside the bathroom. Kind of looked around and started towards me again. She stopped at the foot of the stairs and looked up the steps. Her children had slept up there with my girls many times. She then looked at me again. She had the most lost forlorn look on her face that i have ever seen in my life. It was as if she didn't have a clue as to what was gong on or what was happening. Suddenly she looked up to the ceiling as if someone had called her name. I don't know why but i felt, then and do now, she heard the voice of the Lord call her name. As i watched her face it got the most frightening look on it that i have ever saw. It was pure terror ! If i lived to be a thousand i'd still remember that look. I had the impression then and do now that for some reason i was watching her being condemned to hell. About the time she got that terror look on her face in my mind i was saying " Hey,,,,Your Dead. After my saying that she started sinking through the floor and started disappearing like she was a film of fine smoke. The lower she sank the more terror came across her face. Through this whole ordeal i never felt any fear at all. The day they had the funeral i was trying to help get my children ready. One of the girls needed a clean pair of socks and none was in the laundry room. I went up stairs to get a pair. It was then i got the strongest feeling i wasn't alone. The hair came back up on my neck again but i couldn't see a thing in the room with me. I then smelled the strong oder of sulfur . It was so strong it actually chocked me as if someone had their hands around my neck. I actually had the impression some one or thing was choking me. I then commanded it to leave and never return or bother me or my family again. It left just as quickly as it came but the smell of sulfur still lingered in the room as i grabbed up the sox and returned down stairs. I felt fear of being choked but not of what ever it was causing that feeling. I trust God and instead of trying to fight what ever it was I called out to Christ, depending upon his holy name and word. I've learned man can take my life but only God can take my soul and destroy it. Brother Mike after reading this i hope you'll be able to give me some of your thoughts on this strange happening in my life. Hopefully you'll have a better understanding of how i'm able to have more faith then most seem to have . Please don't think i'm trying to hijack your thread with things that has no value to your posts. I like learning from you and look forward to sharing even more about Job and other parts of the bible. This just came to mind while answerering your post and i felt such a over powering need to share it with you that i wrote about this event in my life instead of about Job. May the Lord watch over you, Tool
No hijack here.
I think the important thing is to know that came out of your spirit. Not having anything to do with the money was a God thing, and the right thing.As for seeing that person face the judgment of God, something you said tells me it was from the Lord. You had no FEAR. Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. Most people that see a dead person being condemned to Hell, would get rather excited. You also know there are no such things as human Ghost walking around the earth, It's all Mr. Devil playing games. Man is appointed to die once THEN JUDGMENT!!! (You don't get to wander around for awhile.)I am sure you tried to witness the Lord to this women, and looks like she rejected Jesus. I can tell you that your not the only one God had sent.The important thing is why would God show you this. Do you have any idea? Normally God has a purpose for doing something, but God has shown me things just so I would know something. Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. ---------------------------------------Story: This happened to another Pastor.A Pastor and wife served in the ministry together for a number of years. The wife was very beautiful and got compliments all the time. Soon the devil kept telling her that she deserved better than being a Pastor's wife and could have so much more. They were pretty wealthy at the time and if she wanted more she should have asked God. profit speaking what God said to David about the Murder of Uriah. 2Sa 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. The women knew better than to listen to the lies of the devil so she cast down those thoughts. However the devil started to bug her with thoughts of fame. She did not cast down these thoughts and started to think on them. She was good looking and a great singer. Soon she left a successful and rich ministry (And her Husband) and started looking to get into singing. She slept with guy after guy and got heavy into drinking. She left her Husband and left God. A few years passed and she started causing trouble for her X-Husbands ministry. She wanted money, and threated this and that. So the Pastor called another mighty man of God over to get some advice. When the mighty man of God came he was given instructions of the Lord to rebuke the spirit controller the pastors X-Wife and to leave the ministry alone. She stopped calling at that point.Months Go buy:Well, the Mighty man of god that helped that Pastor was praying one day in Tongues and he had a vision. He saw a man he knew go to this Pastors X-Wife's apartment and knock on the door. She opened the door and this man told her that He had been sent by the Lord and that the Lord wanted to know if she will come back to him. The X-Wife said, I don't want anything to do with Jesus. The man turned around and walked away. Just then in the same vision the Mighty man of God saw this women in Her apartment screaming. She started to sink in the floor saying I knew you, but I knew you. The man also smelled a sulphuric smell. He knew this women had been judged and went to Hell.Latter on he got in contact with the womens husband to ask how the ministry was going. The Pastor of the X-Wife said his X-wife was found dead in her apartment last Week. The man that the Lord sent was friends of both men of God.Now go study what I had written about Job brother. I understand what you experienced and it was all God..Jesus Is Lord.
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Brother Mike,Thank you for not thinking i was hijacking your thread. This last post of mine lay heavy on my heart as i was about to write about Job. I shared things with you because i felt you may have the insight to see and feel the things i felt then and do now. I felt what i said to my wife about her sister was a message from God about what was to come and to not accept anything from her. I personally feel if i had taken the money i would have shared some way in her judgment. You have no idea of how thankful i've been over the years for saying what i did to my wife. I can honestly say it never bothered Barbara in the least that i wouldn't take a dime from her...she seemed glad of the fact and never brought the subject to me again. Here is what i got from all of this: I think the message came from the spirit. I also think it was preparing me for the future and what i would come up against. I saw a soul condemned to Hell after i was told from deep with in she would pay for her evilness within a year. I felt something very evil from the sprit world. That alone tells me there is an evil source that works with Satan. That isn't the only time i've felt it but the first time taught me they are no match for the name of the Lord and that fact alone draws me closer to God. I'm his and have been for years. Satan knows this just as he knows of my faith in God gets stronger and stronger. The harder satan tries to claim me as his own the stronger my faith is in Christ becomes. Don't get me wrong...i never take Satan lightly. Nothing is to low for him to do or say. He is after the souls of Christians and doesn't worry about those he already has until we try to claim them back for CHRIST. After i started doing the laying of the hands i felt a need for prayer warriors to pray for those i lay hands on. I searched and searched and finally came up with a couple of dozen links to prayer organizations. I used them often and this seemed to anger Satan . I say that because of things that happened in my life that tried to tare me down, wear me out and get me to turn my back on Christ. None of it worked and i pushed forward doing the best i could. A few years ago i felt a need for more prayer warriors. For some reason a 1000 popped into my mind. I started out with all my might to personally gather 1000 prayer warriors. Needless to say the more i tried the worse things got. I did everything i could think of to gather prayer warriors and in a year of trying i got ONE prayer warrior and then he later turned his back on me a few months up the road. I let the dust settle then tried a new angle. I didn't write people this time...I wrote churches. I wrote over 1800 churches all across the United States. I never heard back from 99 9/10 percent of them. I had a total of about 10 churches contact me back. Out of those that did contact me three wanted me to take their name off my mailing list. Seven churches decided they would accept my prayers and take them before their congregations' on pray night and at Sunday service. Now here is where the Lord let me know that he had indeed blessed my efforts. A few weeks later i found out One church has over 800 families in its congregation,another has over 500 families and yet another has several avenues it shares prayers. Other churches are smaller in number but God fearing worshipers and powerful prayer warriors. A simple addition here will tell one and all God did bless me with the 1000 prayer warriors. Brother Mike this is just a small example of what one old man ( i'm getting close to 66 years old )can do when depending and trusting in Christ. Please don't misunderstand me...I'm not trying to brag or make myself look like a saint of some type. I'm telling this so others will see what i've been able to do alone with Christ and stand up and fight Satan for all their worth. Im afraid time is drawing near the end and the battles are being fought around the clock. To all of you christians out there. I ask you to read any newspaper from end to end and your eyes should be open to whats really going on in the world today. Brother Mike ,I'll get back to Job now. Please forgive me for taking other subjects into your thread. One more thing brother. I love the book of Job and have tried doing some of the things Job did. I've even managed to make an agreement with my eyes not to look at things wth lust. That seemed to work for Job and so far its working for me. I'll get back to studying in a little while and make a post tomorrow . Thank You my brother, You take care, Tool" If people spent less time arguing their beliefs and more time living them the world would improve greatly in no time at all. "
Glory to God Brother, but speak the truth only. Psa 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's. So, everytime you catch yourself calling yourself old, turn it around and say, "NO my youth is renewed like the eagle's. I am strong in the Lord and the power of his might."You and I both know what the Word of God can start to do to the body, once we apply our faith. You have prayer partners now, so you want to stay fit. Kenneth Copeland is over 72 years old and still fly's around the World preaching the Gospel. He pilots his own jet. http://www.kcm.org/66 is not old. Smith Wigglesworth did not start preaching until he was in his 50's Heck, you might make it the full 120 years as God said that is what mans years shall be. Thats another 50 some years left to do what God tells you to do.My youth is renewed like the eagles............ I am strong in the Lord and the power of His Might.I look forward to your study in Job. Jesus Is Lord
Hi brothermike and toolofhis, i will relate one vision i had, actually not sure if it was a vision or a dream, it happened one night when i was asleep and was so real guess it must of being a vision. Anyway, i heard a door open, i had no one at home at the time as my wife had left and i had let her take the children a short time later, so in this vision i got out of bed, walked through the lounge and into the kitchen, then into the kids room, as i got into the kids room i sensed someone was there, so i turned and there standing in the doorway was the spirit of death, i just knew he was, he was just a inky black shape, so i commaned him to go in Jesus name and he left and i was back in bed, there was no fear. A short time later i had a dream that i was on a plane in an airport, sitiing next to this women, i think i asked why the plane was being delayed, and she said that there had being an assination attempt, took a while to realsie that it was me that she was talking about. But this is the price we pay. And there has being another one since. Its no brag to say that a few of us are on his hitlist. Mind you i have a thorn in my side and he keeps pressing it.God bless
mjrhealth: Glory, glory, glory. God is faithful and your still around!!!! There is a gift called spiritual discernment. 1Co 12:10This is not the gift of judging people, or knowing if someone is teaching falsely. This is not a gift of understanding God's Word. (Holy Ghost is working with you 24/7 to do that. He is the teacher.)1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (Not in line with Worldly thinking, but God's thinking. His ways are higher than our own, but we can know the Heart of our Father. Thank you Holy Ghost.)All the Gifts of the Spirit can be seen working through the whole bible from new to old except the gift of tongues. Jesus brought that one in.spiritual discernment is a Holy Ghost given ability to SEE INTO THE SPIRIT REALM. Thats all it is. It's part of the information gifts. The gift of Wisdom (Knowing something in the future) and gift of knowledge (knowing something from the past to present.) Here is an example of spiritual discernment. 2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. 2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. This is not really "Visions" as that can cover the gift of knowledge or wisdom, but an actual seeing with your eyes into the present realm of the spirit. If you were in a crowded place and the Lord opened your eyes to these things, you would see all kinds of devils. They would be bound to someone enforcing sickness, whispering in someones ear in temptation, or trying to cause fights and strife. The place would be crowded with them. These gifts are as the Spirit wills, NEVER, NEVER, expect these or try to do them on your own. God is faithful and we trust God to keep us and our own, with what ever tools God uses. WHY DO GOOD CHRISTIANS DIE EARLY??This is a good example. There are those that think God uses Satan to sift us like Wheat, or put us through a trial to teach us something. How would a person respond that believes like this, handle seeing a spirit of death???"I know, I know. God wants me to come home early." mjrhealth, you knew enough to rebuke that spirit. We are told to resist the devil, not submit to the devils beatings.Why did God not just do something about it? Let me tell you. God can't!!!Jesus gave us authority over devils and all power of the enemy. We live in flesh bodies, we belong on earth. Satan is a thief and came another way. Satan does not have a birth certificate. Christians need to wake up and understand that. This is why the devil freaked out when he saw Jesus coming. check it out.Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. This devil only saw the Son of God. He did not see the man Jesus. So, the devil tried to rebuke (Cast Jesus out) in the name of God. The devil knew that as the SON OF GOD, Jesus did not have the right to operate on earth. Satan was the god of the world. What the devil did not understand was Jesus was legal. Jesus had a flesh body and was filled with the Holy Ghost. Greater is He that is in us. This scripture starts to make more sense.1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ (The anointed one and his anointing to remove burdens and destroy yokes) is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist (Anti-Anointing) , whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. The world Christ is a untranslated Greek word. It means Anointed one or Jesus the anointed one and His anointing. It's the power and operation of the greater one inside us. mjrhealth, when the Lord opened your eyes, God showed you a spirit of death that was following you and planing to kill you. By rebuking that spirit in the authority of the name of Jesus, the greater one and all of heaven now had the right to act on your behalf. You responded. God has many ways to protect us. He has angels assigned to us, He lets us know something by the Holy Ghost. "don't go there." It can be just a knowing we should stay home that day, or take a different route. I am convinced every child of God that has died early, has had these same things in thier spirit but have ignored them. I know the faithfullness of God. Count the times you have had to clean up a mess, or do things a harder way becuase you ignored that thing in your heart???? You knew it would fall over if you left it there!!!======================================================While in prison my wife was sleeping with another man. I screwed up, and was reaping lots of what I had sown, but now I found Jesus. I prayed and prayed for my wife, but could not seem to get though, or I thought. (Still young in the Lord.)Well, about 8 months go by and no word from the wife. I am still in faith, and praying for the guy that was with my wife. I knew they were commiting spiritual death in their lives, and wanted both of them delivered.One night on my bed I was praying in tounges. I must have fell asleep or was awake. I don't know. Everything around me became white, and I felt a presence behind me. I knew it was Jesus, but being in the spirit I did not think to turn around and ask a bunch of questions I had. (Where did the dinosuars go?) I followed the light though a house. It was the house my wife was living in. We walked to the back bedroom. there was just a bed there and no other furniture in the house. The Lord had me stop at the bedroom window. It was night time out and very dark. Suddenly, a creature came to the window. I knew it was a demonic spirit, and it started to beat on the window trying to get in.Just then I heard the Lord behind me say. Rebuke it, in my name. I did just that, I told the thing to flee in the name of Jesus and never come back. It started to beat on the window harder, and I said, no use in complaining about it, You have to go in the name of Jesus. Just then it turned around and ran away screaming.Latter that week for the first time in months my wife contacted me. She had ended that realationship, having heard from God herself that she was on the road to dying. We have been back together since, and working on a greater and greater marriage.Jesus Is Lord.
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Good Morning,Didn't want to leave you fellows hanging waiting on a post from me. Got some problms that need ironed out but shound be back on line in about a week. Brother Mike i'm thinking your right on target about the hedge around Job and about other things too. I started trying to look at things from a different point of view. Take Care,Tool
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