JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Gary Mac]

[Jhn 3:3 KJV] 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Israel had to be born again to see the the kingdom of God, which is the Davidic millennial kingdom. The kingdom was being offered to Israel not me.

Everyone has to receive from God His same Spirit, disposition of mind, born again with that same renewing of it that started in Adam in Gen 3:22, he was the first to be born again of God and become like Him to know this difference, Read it. And all after Adam must receive the very same knowledge from God Himself as Adam did, and Jesus was not exempt from the same proven in Matt 3:16 when God came to that man and opened ups the very same knowledge that He did in Adam.

Just as with Adam that first man Adam was of flesh, that second man Adam was of Spirit, and that first man was Jesus was of flesh, son of man, that second man Jesus was Spirit, son of God. Everyone is the same but not everyone is born again of God, few infect find His ways to be.

 

[Fred J]

Christ is not flesh at all, Christ is Gods Spirit in man, anointed of His same knowledge.

There are some things in your witnessing about the Kingdom of GOD in the New Testament is very disturbing and alarming.

i believe before you teach and judge others, you judge and teach yourself first. thank you.

John 1:
14. And the 'Word'(spirit) was made 'flesh'(man), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the FATHER,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 4:
2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of GOD: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of GOD:
3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of GOD: and this is the spirit of anti-Christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So, beware the spirit in you, and the spirit that comes to you, the spirit of anti-Christ declaring 'heresy' besides the written Word.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Gary Mac]

There are some things in your witnessing about the Kingdom of GOD in the New Testament is very disturbing and alarming.

Not my witness at all it is Jesus witness. all I do is repeatJesus in who people would be in the Father if they would receive in them the same One as Jesus did in himself in Matt 3:16, Adam did in Gen 3:22, Abraham did, Moses did, Mary did, 120 did. If what they received from God themselves is alarming for you, then I would take a second look at what you believe about a god.

i believe before you teach and judge others, you judge and teach yourself first. thank you.

You are your own judge, either you are as Jesus was in the Father or you are not. Im not judging you at all, all Im doing is repeating who you are supposed to be in God from Jesus himself.

John 1:
14. And the 'Word'(spirit) was made 'flesh'(man), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the FATHER,) full of grace and truth.

Correct our flesh, man is the temple of Him, the place God resides inn His kingdom, Luke 17:20-21. Jesus was very clear in this in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is with you, and if that is alarming for you, then I would take a severe look at who you are following and believe for your own ways for a god.

1 John 4:
2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of GOD: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of GOD:

All men come in the flesh, but not all men receive from God that what Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16 but a few has found the way to follow Jesus lead and receive from God ourselves the very same as he did. And Jesus even prayed to his God for his God to be in you and you be in Him as one as His God was in him and he was in his God as one in John 17, read it. His prayer for me came to be in me.

If that puts you up in arms then you are questioning Jesus prayed to God for you to be.

3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of GOD: and this is the spirit of anti-Christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

If one Sees Jesus as God instead of a man who had Gods Spirit of mind, then they do not believe Jesus was flesh at all, for God is a Spirit not flesh, and His Spirit only resides in man Luke 17:20-21. You dont believe Jesus in that do you?

So, beware the spirit in you, and the spirit that comes to you, the spirit of anti-Christ declaring 'heresy' besides the written Word.

That is good advice for all for if the same mind, Spirit, is not in you who was in Christ Jesus then you are antichrist and refuse Gods anointing which would be Christ in you, you anointed of God.

And here is what Jesus said about his God who is a Spirit be in him. And if you are any different from the same in you, and this is alarming for you then you are antichrist.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

Let God be in you and you in Him as one. Shalom in the name of Christ that Jesus was of Gods anointing. Let that same mind, anointing, Christ, be in you who was in Christ Jesus, he was anointed of God the same. Obviously you serve a different god from the One Jesus was witness of.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Jhn 3:3 KJV] 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Israel had to be born again to see the the kingdom of God, which is the Davidic millennial kingdom. The kingdom was being offered to Israel not me.

Well until you answer my questions directly, no point in progressing.

How can you say you chosen before the foundation of the world when that was written to the Ephesians and not everybody. I am using your rule of hermeneutic you ise for JOhn 3:3.

Also do you think yourself wiser thn the millions of spirit filled saints who have gone on before who say this applies to humans (anthropos) and not just Jews.

You ahve not justified and defended your position at all.
So you do not believe the heavenly Jerusalem isa the kingdom of God?

 

[Doug]

Well until you answer my questions directly, no point in progressing.

I answered you in posts 135-138

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I answered you in posts 135-138

Sorry but your myopic and benighted view of Scripture is wrong. Teh church iscalled sheep many many times.
And as you demand that being born again is for Jews (BTW Jesus did not speak in the future but the present

Now prove that being chosen from the foundation is not just for the Ephesians but the church which is made up of Jews and Gentiles.

So it is your contention that believing Jews must be born again while belieivng gentiles do not?

How do you define being born again. Please add scripture

 

[Gary Mac]

Sorry but your myopic and benighted view of Scripture is wrong. Teh church iscalled sheep many many times.
And as you demand that being born again is for Jews (BTW Jesus did not speak in the future but the present

Now prove that being chosen from the foundation is not just for the Ephesians but the church which is made up of Jews and Gentiles.

So it is your contention that believing Jews must be born again while belieivng gentiles do not?

How do you define being born again. Please add scripture

Born again is described by Jesus in Luke 17:20-21. The kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is with you. Jesus learned that lesson from God Himself in Matt 3:16 when heaven was opened in himself. After his renewing of mind he said we must have that same renewing, born again of Gods same disposition of mind instead of our own ideas for a heaven or a god.

 

[Doug]

Teh church iscalled sheep many many times.

Show me where please

 

[JohnDB]

Nowhere in John 3 does Jesus use the aramaic word for "become".

He does not tell Nicodemus that he needs to become something or transform his life....it's not there in any fashion.

You either treasure EVERY word or you don't.

 

[Doug]

How do you define being born again. Please add scripture

[Jhn 3:6 KJV] 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Israel would not enter the kingdom on earth just by being the physical children of Abraham, but by a spiritual birth. They had to believe on Jesus being the Christ the Son of God................[Jhn 3:16, 18 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ... 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[Jhn 1:12-13 KJV] 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those of Israel who believed on his name were born of God

 

[Doug]

Now prove that being chosen from the foundation is not just for the Ephesians but the church which is made up of Jews and Gentiles.

What are you driving at with this question/ what is your point?

[Eph 1:22-23 KJV] 22 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Ephesians calls the church the body

[1Co 12:27 KJV] 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Paul calls the corinthians the body, the church, as well....not just the Ephesians

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Show me where please

bible gateway is your friend.

Romans 8:36
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

1. John 10:3
   To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheepby name, and leadeth them out.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. John 10:4
   And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice

John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

If you are not His sheep, does that mean Jesus did not give HIs life for you??????????????????????

John 10:12
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Jew and Gentile.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Jhn 3:6 KJV] 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Israel would not enter the kingdom on earth just by being the physical children of Abraham, but by a spiritual birth. They had to believe on Jesus being the Christ the Son of God................[Jhn 3:16, 18 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ... 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[Jhn 1:12-13 KJV] 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those of Israel who believed on his name were born of God

And Gentiles must be born of god as well.

this is the problem when you live in sin and refuse to fellowship inperson with an assembly of believers and will not sit under the authority of pastor/teachers who care for your soul.

You get all these heretical concepts and cannot be shown the error of these false thoughts.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What are you driving at with this question/ what is your point?

[Eph 1:22-23 KJV] 22 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Ephesians calls the church the body

[1Co 12:27 KJV] 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Paul calls the corinthians the body, the church, as well....not just the Ephe

As He did all believers both jew and Gentile! Jews whjo get saved to day are part of the body of Christ, the church and will be raptured with the rest of the church.

Thie physical millennial kingdom is only for those who are OT saved Jews and Jews saved after the rapture as well as the gentiles who get saved after the rapture.

But in this church age god does not recognize Jew or Gentile, bond or free, male or female, all become one body through faith in Jesus.

Also know that after the leaders of Israel committed the unpardonable sin in Matt. 12 and beginning with the parables in Matt. 13, the kingdom almost exclusively in the gospels washeaven and not the earthly millennial kingdom.

Also almost all mentions in the epistles include the chur4ch.

You are in desperate need of learning hermeneutics. That way you will not preach false doctrine.

I say this not of anger, but to exhort you to do the right thing and present yourself to a local church so that you amy bless and be blessed and mature in your faith.

As long as you seperate yourself from being part of a local assembly , you cannot mature and will only be used of God for the most mundane of tasks.

 

[Gary Mac]

And Gentiles must be born of god as well.

this is the problem when you live in sin and refuse to fellowship inperson with an assembly of believers and will not sit under the authority of pastor/teachers who care for your soul.

You get all these heretical concepts and cannot be shown the error of these false thoughts.

An assembly as in Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah witness, LDS, Baptists, AOGs, COCs, you name it. They all say they have it right do they not?

As for me Jesus has the better way and I follow him in his ways in the Father that I should do the same, not these lawyers who regulate their own beliefs for a god.

Which one of these assemblies for law are you of?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

An assembly as in Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah witness, LDS, Baptists, AOGs, COCs, you name it. They all say they have it right do they not?

As for me Jesus has the better way and I follow him in his ways in the Father that I should do the same, not these lawyers who regulate their own beliefs for a god.

Which one of these assemblies for law are you of?

So are you saying you are not part of a local church and sitting under the teaching and authority of a pastor/ teacher??

 

[Gary Mac]

So are you saying you are not part of a local church and sitting under the teaching and authority of a pastor/ teacher??

As I sated all who has from God the very same as Jesus received from God as all of these we read of received the same from God are His church. It isnt governed by laws for a belief as in -- you must believe this or believe that or do this or do that that is common among beliefs systems. It is who we become in Like the Father of it and in His same image that He creates man to be in the spiritual image that He is for God is a Spirit and man is the kingdom in which He lives. Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:20-21. But who is going to believe Jesus in what he says?

Gods church are exactly like Him, perfect even as our Farther in heaven is perfect, righteous, holy, pure, and without sin, for Love is who we become instead of only a belief for a god. There is no reality in a belief, beliefs are only speculations as in all these different so called churches, but it is a completely different matter when GHod Himself come to you as He did in all of these we read of and changes our whole disposition releasing us from those laws that man places stipulations of their gods through only a belief, and you become exactly like Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16/


Jesus was not like the God who came to him before Matt 3:16 he was of one of these belief systems about a god and taught it as rabbi even from a young age. But after Matt 3:16, and you can read it, the very belief system of the Jews that he once taught are the very ones who had him crucified for blaspheme. And there are a w hole lot more who are of a belief proven in all these establishes for enterprise then there is who walk as Jesus walked in God. And when one does see Him as He really is as Jesus did in Matt 3:16, ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3:2.

Why would I sit under at preacher or pastor when God Himself is the teacher? Man cannot give you the same information that God does by the Spirit that He is to have His same Spirit of mind, knowledge, spiritual knowledge.

Did Jesus need a preacher or pastor to teach him, or was God Himself sufficient in Matt 3:16, did Adam need a preacher in Gen 3;22 when he learned the truth from God Himself? Did Abraham need a preacher, did Moses need one, did Mary need one did 120 need one?

Here is what Jesus had to say about preachers. John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

If you have to have a preacher to give you his beliefs for a god, then so be it, but as for me I am as the rest of these where God Himself can only open in us who He is and His truths. Man no matter who it is can give you that truth, not even Jesus could do that proven when God Himself came and open in these who He is in them. Read Luke 17:20-21 and see where God resides in His truths void of man own ideas for it.

 

[Doug]

Romans 8:36
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Read further and Paul says NO we arent sheep, we are conquerors................ [Rom 8:37 KJV] 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

 

[Doug]

Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

These verses aren't from Paul and are written to Israel

 

[Doug]

1. John 10:3
   To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheepby name, and leadeth them out.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. John 10:4
   And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice

John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

If you are not His sheep, does that mean Jesus did not give HIs life for you??????????????????????

John 10:12
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Jew and Gentile.

These all pertain to Israel

Where does Paul say we are sheep? He didnt