Just a few misinterpretations that has caused error in the Catholic Church

[afaithfulone4u]

The Catholic church has fallen into pediphilia due to the mistaught understanding that the followers of Christ are not to marry which has not only turned some to perversion, but have revealed their unbelief. I say unbelief because anyone who TRULY believes in an All seeing God would know that He watches what they do behind closed doors. They may fool man but they CAN'T Fool God!
They also feared what man thought, more than God. They sought mans approval over God's.
And those who have pressured men, who wanted to devote themselves to God, to remain unmarried because of errored teaching have caused these to stumble as a result. If one desires to make an oath to stay celebate and unmarried for the sake of God's Word, and they can control their lusts, then this is good. But to say you can not be a priest unless you remain unmarried is not true, many of the apostles were married, even Peter whom they believe is the model for the Pope as the successor of Peter.

Matt 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
KJV
1 Cor 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
KJV

Here is another mistaught understanding about Mary mother of Jesus. They have built a worship around her saying that she remained a virgin all her life and that Joseph felt sorry for her and only came to take Mary in after she had conceived of the Holy Spirit as if he did not know Mary at all before this.... What it really says is that Mary and Joseph did know one another before Joseph found out about her pregnancy and were all ready betrothed. The following verses are saying Joseph did not have relations with Mary UNTIL after she has her holy child. So Joseph did not "know" his wife(sexual sense) until after she gave birth to the Firstborn.
They also believe that Jesus' brothers and sister's are not of Mary but of another woman that Joseph must have had before Mary or that they were talking about spiritual brother's and sister's. But they too are Mary's...... and are of Joseph for those in unbelieve who did not honor Jesus when he came to his own hometown who knew nothing of spiritual brother's and sister's named his natural brother's and sister's

Matt 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not{sexually} till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
KJV

 

[twinc]

nothing new but old hat churned up again and again by those who see themselves as infallible but no not the Pope - no not never the Pope - twinc

 

[afaithfulone4u]

nothing new but old hat churned up again and again by those who see themselves as infallible but no not the Pope - no not never the Pope - twinc

I may be capable of being fallible, but the scripture that I gave IS NOT!

 

[Mungo]

The Catholic Church has some married priests. Celibacy is not a doctrine but a practice and could be changed. It enables him to give himself fully to serving the people.

Paul says
"An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord." (1Cor 7:32)

On thre other hand:
“But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife and he is divided.” (1Cor 7:33-34)


Paul says “Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am [unmarried], but each has a particular gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.




Catholics do not worship Mary.

nothing new but old hat churned up again and again by those who see themselves as infallible but no not the Pope - no not never the Pope - twinc

You are right. These topics have been done the death many times.

 

[Foreigner]

The Catholic Church has some married priests. Celibacy is not a doctrine but a practice and could be changed. It enables him to give himself fully to serving the people.

-- You don't even know the rules of your own faith.
It is a REQUIREMENT for ordination.
The candidate for priesthood must make a VOW.

If the Catholic church suddenly changes this doctrine, they will be admitting that they were wrong for the last several centuries and that this was not necessary.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm

From Catholic Encyclopedia:

Celibacy of the Clergy
Celibacy is the renunciationof marriageimplicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfectobservance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacramentof Ordersin any of the higher grades. The characterof this renunciation, as we shall see, is differently understood in the Easternand in the Western Church. Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for ordersare solemnlywarned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:

"You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawfulto turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastityand to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.


By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matterof this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege."

Catholics do not worship Mary.

-- "Hail Mary, full of Grace...Blessed art thou...Holy Mary, mother of God..."

Sure SOUNDS like worship.

 

[Mungo]

-- You don't even know the rules of your own faith.
It is a REQUIREMENT for ordination.
The candidate for priesthood must make a VOW.

If the Catholic church suddenly changes this doctrine, they will be admitting that they were wrong for the last several centuries and that this was not necessary.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm

From Catholic Encyclopedia:
Celibacy of the Clergy
Celibacy is the renunciationof marriageimplicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfectobservance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacramentof Ordersin any of the higher grades. The characterof this renunciation, as we shall see, is differently understood in the Easternand in the Western Church. Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for ordersare solemnlywarned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:

"You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawfulto turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastityand to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.


By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matterof this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege."

I said: "The Catholic Church has some married priests. Celibacy is not a doctrine but a practice and could be changed. It enables him to give himself fully to serving the people."

And that is correct. There are married priests in the Eastern Rites and there are Ex-Anglican married priests in the Latin Rite.

If an unmarried man becomes a priest then he takes a vow of celibacy. If a man that is married is accepted for the priesthood then he may not marry again if his wife dies.

It is not a doctrine. And I gave good scriptural justification for the practice.

-- "Hail Mary, full of Grace...Blessed art thou...Holy Mary, mother of God..."

Sure SOUNDS like worship.

What it may sound like to you does not mean it is


Hail Mary, full of grace, The Lord is with thee (from Lk 1:28)
Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.(from Lk 1:42)
Holy Mary, [she is holy] Mother of God (a correct title)
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen (request for her intercession)

 

[williemac]

Hail Mary, full of grace, The Lord is with thee (from Lk 1:28)
Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.(from Lk 1:42)
Holy Mary, [she is holy] Mother of God (a correct title)
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen (request for her intercession)

And yet one more problem with Catholic practices and traditions. Why do they pray to someone else other than God? The fact that they even imagine that Mary or a "saint" can hear them is bad enough, but to take the time to talk to them while Almighty God, our Creator and Savior, is waiting and inviting us into the Holy of Holies.... Too afraid to go to the source? Who knows. I haven't yet figured out the mentality.

The fact is that thousands of people are praying to Mary and the saints at any given moment. This assumes that they are somehow in a place of diety that gives them the ability to hear and respond to all. But only God is all present, all powerful and all knowing. O, indeed this is a form of worship to mere men. Make no mistake.

And by the way, every person who is in Christ is called a saint. This is not a special designation to a mere few, as the Catholics think.

 

[Selene]

The Catholic Church has some married priests, and they do not forbid marriage. Anyone can marry. But there are requirements for priestly ordination. One of those requirements is celibacy. Let's look at what the Apostle Paul says about being a bishop.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Now, in this biblical verse above....would you interpret this as Paul FORCING bishops to marry?? I certainly hope not. The Apostle Paul was never saying that a bishop MUST marry. The verse simply means that if the person seeking the office of bishop is married, he should have only one wife.....not more than one.....because polygamy was common in those days. In other words, St. Paul was laying down the requirements of ordination for bishops. In the same way, celibacy is a requirement of ordination in the Latin rite Church. Nevertheless, the Catholic Church does have some priests who are married.

 

[HammerStone]

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MARPRIE.htm

Actually, I can confirm what our Roman Catholic brethren are saying here.

I think you will eventually see a change in this practice sometime in the future.

i might rile up some of my friends here, but I accept Theotokos. I think Catholics do sometimes make too much of Mary, but Protestants do not make enough of her. I urge you to research what guys like Calvin and Luther said about Mary; it might surprise you.

 

[Mungo]

And yet one more problem with Catholic practices and traditions. Why do they pray to someone else other than God? The fact that they even imagine that Mary or a "saint" can hear them is bad enough, but to take the time to talk to them while Almighty God, our Creator and Savior, is waiting and inviting us into the Holy of Holies.... Too afraid to go to the source? Who knows. I haven't yet figured out the mentality.

The fact is that thousands of people are praying to Mary and the saints at any given moment. This assumes that they are somehow in a place of diety that gives them the ability to hear and respond to all. But only God is all present, all powerful and all knowing. O, indeed this is a form of worship to mere men. Make no mistake.

And by the way, every person who is in Christ is called a saint. This is not a special designation to a mere few, as the Catholics think.

"Pray" just means ask earnestly, entreat.

c.1290, "ask earnestly, beg," also "pray to a god or saint," from O.Fr. preier (c.900), from L. precari "ask earnestly, beg," from *prex (plural preces, gen. precis) "prayer, request, entreaty," from PIE base *prek- "to ask, request, entreat" (cf. Skt. prasna-, Avestan frashna- "question;" O.C.S. prositi, Lith. prasyti "to ask, beg;" O.H.G. frahen, Ger. fragen, O.E. fricgan "to ask" a question). Prayer (c.1300) is from O.Fr. preiere, from V.L. *precaria, noun use of L. precaria, fem. of adj. precarius "obtained by prayer," from precari.
(from the Online Etymology Dictionary)


We ask Mary for her intercession (as per the last line of the "Hail Mary" - see above) just as we ask others to pray for us.

And that is Scriptural - see Col 4:3, 1Thess 5:25, 2 Thess 3:1, Heb 13:18 for example.

Catholics know everyone who is in Christ is a saint.

 

[Axehead]

The Catholic Church is a caricature of the fleshly, carnal nature, just like other worldly churches, Catholic and non-Catholic alike.

But the Holy Spirit is not bound and is saving people out of many, many religious organizations and calling them to separate from them.

 

[Mungo]

The Catholic Church is a caricature of the fleshly, carnal nature, just like other worldly churches, Catholic and non-Catholic alike.

But the Holy Spirit is not bound and is saving people out of many, many religious organizations and calling them to separate from them.

Thank you for your personal and fallible opinions.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Mary was a flesh and blood human who is to be honored for her obedience to do God's will. Who once she birthed Jesus the Firstborn, she then went on to conceive Jesus's brother's and sisters of the flesh through Joseph.
She is not telling Jesus what to do or where to go any longer nor are we to carry on conversations with those who have passed on no matter who it is except God.
The Father who art in heaven hallowed by thy name whom Jesus, our brother, prayed too is who we are to direct our prayers.
The Father is greater than I says Jesus and He told us WHO to pray to. Why would a church led by GOD want to redirect His own worship to carnal men? And why is Jesus still hanging on the cross on Catholic crosses as if he did not Rise? I can see the symbolism of leaving the fleshly man left on the cross, but they make sure it looks like the idolatry images of the beast nature that the whole world recognizes as Jesus and worships( opps, did I just hit the nail on the head) of man made idol call God and not just an unfaced body. To have any images of Jesus, Mary or of the apostles such as Peter, erected in the worship place for the Father is nothing less than idolatry for these are not actual likeness of them, they are just made by men's hands to have something to SEE to worship when we are told that the Father is Spirit and is the one who seeks our worship says JESUS. And we are told to not know Jesus in the flesh any longer
2 Cor 5:16
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
KJV
Matt 6:6-15
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
KJV
John 16:23-28
23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father [USING} in my name , he will give it you.
24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26 At that day ye shall ask in my name{Are you being made into the image of Christ, hidden under the blood looking to the Father as the Son?}: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God
28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
KJV.

{Man does not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.}

John 4:21-24
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
KJV

 

[mjrhealth]

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

And He is not just talking of one church,

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Speaks volumes when you look at what some denominations whear and the political charades they play.

Rev_17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Dont play games with God, time really is running out, are you going to come out of her and let Jesus wash you clean ready for His wedding Feast, or are you willling to loose your place so you can play party games. It is your choice, you will have no one to blame, not the priests, nor the bishops, popes or pastors, wheter the yhave lied to yo uor not, it is your choice to follow Jesus or follow after men.

Luk 10:38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Which one are you, do you run around trying to please God through your works or do you please Him by sitting at His feet and spending time with Him. Still it is your choice, you are not forced to.

If Jesus is dead than your faith and relgion is dead, for it is all one big lie, but if Jesus lives as it is written, than you have Him for He is no liar, what bettter place to be at your Lords feet or in church.

In All His love

 

[Mungo]

What is wrong with displaying Jesus on the cross?

Jesus on the cross displays God’s love for us more than anything else.

“Indeed, only with difficulty does one die for a just person, though perhaps
for a good person one might even find courage to die. God proves his
love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.”
(Rom 57-:8)


Paul considers it a key part of his teaching.

“but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, (1Cor 1:23)

Apparently Christ crucified is still foolishness to some people.


“For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.” (1Cor 2:2)


“For through the law I died to the law, that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ” (Gal 2:19)


“O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus
Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?” (Gal 3:1)

Jesus is publicly portrayed as crucified before Catholics. Very scriptural that.


“But may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
through which the world has been crucified to me” Gal 6:14)

Mary was a flesh and blood human who is to be honored for her obedience to do God's will. Who once she birthed Jesus the Firstborn, she then went on to conceive Jesus's brother's and sisters of the flesh through Joseph.

No she didn't

She is not telling Jesus what to do or where to go any longer nor are we to carry on conversations with those who have passed on no matter who it is except God.

She can intercede for us. We ask for her prayers just as we ask other to pray for us. That is scriptural - see post #10

The Father who art in heaven hallowed by thy name whom Jesus, our brother, prayed too is who we are to direct our prayers.

We can ask others to pray for us. That is scriptural - see post #10

 

[mjrhealth]

She can intercede for us. We ask for her prayers just as we ask other to pray for us. That is scriptural - see post #10

1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Changes the whole thing does it not, yes we can ask "people " to pray for us, i have no need but i certainly pray for others.

In all His Love

 

[Mungo]

1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Changes the whole thing does it not, yes we can ask "people " to pray for us, i have no need but i certainly pray for others.

In all His Love

Why does it change anything?

Paul asked others to pray for him.
"I appeal to you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf" (Rom 15:30).


Paul prayed for others
"We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you…..And so, from the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you." (Col 1:3 & 9)

And just before your quotation (1Tim 2:5) Paul says: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, (vs 1)

 

[mjrhealth]

I guess you may wonder why you shouldnt put Jesus on the cross,

well he "isnt" there any, more secondly, should you keep reminding Him,

Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

What you may fail to realise this applies to all the man made churches, religion is not from God, it is made by men for men.

1Sa_8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

1Sa_10:19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.

But should I care, I can save no man, neither can I convince one of the truth, men believe what they want to believe even when it end in there destruction. Jesus knew men wouldnt listen so He set a time and it is running out.

In All His Love

PS the disciples never prayed to dead people??

 

[SilenceInMotion]

All a priest has to do is undergo laicization, in which they can live as a lay person but can only perform priestly acts in emergency situations. A priest performing as a full fledged priest would only molest a child if they are simply pedophiles.

There is no blaming celibacy for pedophilia. That is a rather stupid claim, and only exists to discredit the Church. No amount of celibacy is going to make a person attracted to underdeveloped children. They will look at pornography or seek out a whore at the very worst, unless they are simply pedophiles.

Come back to Earth, anti-Catholics.

 

[meshak]

The Catholic Church is a caricature of the fleshly, carnal nature, just like other worldly churches, Catholic and non-Catholic alike.

But the Holy Spirit is not bound and is saving people out of many, many religious organizations and calling them to separate from them.

Yes!, amen!

Jesus says to come out of Babylon.

Come back to Earth, anti-Catholics.

Organization who endorse killing their enemy is anti-Christ.