Just a few misinterpretations that has caused error in the Catholic Church

[Mungo]

I guess you may wonder why you shouldnt put Jesus on the cross,

well he "isnt" there any, more secondly, should you keep reminding Him,

Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

What you may fail to realise this applies to all the man made churches, religion is not from God, it is made by men for men.

1Sa_8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

1Sa_10:19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.

But should I care, I can save no man, neither can I convince one of the truth, men believe what they want to believe even when it end in there destruction. Jesus knew men wouldnt listen so He set a time and it is running out.

In All His Love

Jesus doesn't need reminding. But perhaps we do.

You haven't answered the points and scriptures I gave. Perhaps you missed them

Jesus on the cross displays God’s love for us more than anything else.
“Indeed, only with difficulty does one die for a just person, though perhaps vfor a good person one might even find courage to die. God proves his love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.” (Rom 57-:8)


Paul considers it a key part of his teaching.

“but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, (1Cor 1:23)
Apparently Christ crucified is still foolishness to some people.

“For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.” (1Cor 2:2)

“For through the law I died to the law, that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ” (Gal 2:19)

“O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?” (Gal 3:1)
Jesus is publicly portrayed as crucified before Catholics. Very scriptural that.

“But may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me” Gal 6:14)

PS the disciples never prayed to dead people??

We don't pray to dead people. Mary and the Saints are alive in heaven

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Organization who endorse killing their enemy is anti-Christ.

Which would be just about every Christian church on the planet. Anti-Catholcs go on and on about the Church, but don't so much as say a word about their own churches. You're one of those 'free lance' Christians. So much for your credibility- there's a million of you with a million different interpretations. It's like the quantum world of denominational schisms.

 

[meshak]

Which would be just about every Christian church on the planet.

True Christians do not take part going against Jesus' word. That's why Jesus says to come out of Babylon lest share their guilt.

BTW, church is body of Christ who are made up of true Christians.

 

[williemac]

"Pray" just means ask earnestly, entreat.

c.1290, "ask earnestly, beg," also "pray to a god or saint," from O.Fr. preier (c.900), from L. precari "ask earnestly, beg," from *prex (plural preces, gen. precis) "prayer, request, entreaty," from PIE base *prek- "to ask, request, entreat" (cf. Skt. prasna-, Avestan frashna- "question;" O.C.S. prositi, Lith. prasyti "to ask, beg;" O.H.G. frahen, Ger. fragen, O.E. fricgan "to ask" a question). Prayer (c.1300) is from O.Fr. preiere, from V.L. *precaria, noun use of L. precaria, fem. of adj. precarius "obtained by prayer," from precari.
(from the Online Etymology Dictionary)


We ask Mary for her intercession (as per the last line of the "Hail Mary" - see above) just as we ask others to pray for us.

And that is Scriptural - see Col 4:3, 1Thess 5:25, 2 Thess 3:1, Heb 13:18 for example.

Catholics know everyone who is in Christ is a saint.

Those passages apply to they who are still in this world and still alive in this life. There is absolutely no reference in scripture that a person who has passed on is able to hear from us. We are simply speaking to the air.

As well, if I ask you to pray for me, does this mean I am praying to you to pray for me? Snap out of it! Prayer is not just asking earnestly. If I have a converstion with God and I thank him, what have I asked earnestly? That definition is one of convenience, but it is a diversion to the reality that Mary cannot hear you. However, God can hear you. If you are going to pray, then pray to Him.

An idol is a person or object that is put in the place that only God can occupy. If I ask you to pray, God is still He to Whom the prayer is directed towards. My asking you is not a prayer to you. If I pray to anyone other than God, I have put that person in God's place.

And please don't pretend that all Catholics know that everyone in Christ is a saint. The majority of catholics hold mere deceased men in inappropriate high regard, and Mary in the place of diety. I don't see anyone correcting this from within the Catholic church.

The majority of them don't know that Mary did not remain a virgin. They don't know that holiness is not a description of one's character or moral esteem. Anyone can be holy. All they need is to be engaged in God's purpose. Water can be holy. Garments can be holy. Food can be holy. etc., etc. The common denominator is the fact that they are being used for godly purpose. That is holiness.

Mary was holy by virtue of being chosen for the honerable and blessed purpose of carrying the seed of God so that He could come in the flesh. If she was not mere flesh, this would not have been accomplished. But we all have the same privaledge of having the creator living within us. How many Catholics have heard Him knocking and opened the door? (Rev.3:20) How many know of this invitation? Every one of us have a holy calling.

 

[mjrhealth]

Seems a little point was missed, you see in His Crucifixion was only a small part, if He had remained there on the cross ,which is where so many keep Him than nothing was achieved, it was in His resurrection into Life which is what made all the difference. We go to the cross, there we give our lives up as he did, than we go on with Him unto greater things, if we remain there than we are dead an we have no life. Jesus desires we follow Him so He can give us eternal life,but too many choose to follow man, the blind leading the blind, but that is what they "choose". to there own destruction.

In all His Life

 

[Mungo]

Those passages apply to they who are still in this world and still alive in this life. There is absolutely no reference in scripture that a person who has passed on is able to hear from us. We are simply speaking to the air.

“When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp
and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” (Rev 5:8)

And

“Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne.” (Rev 8:3)


If the saints and angels in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

As well, if I ask you to pray for me, does this mean I am praying to you to pray for me? Snap out of it! Prayer is not just asking earnestly. If I have a converstion with God and I thank him, what have I asked earnestly? That definition is one of convenience, but it is a diversion to the reality that Mary cannot hear you. However, God can hear you. If you are going to pray, then pray to Him.

I ask you to ask God to help me. WHat is your problem with that?

Prayer is many things but one meaning of pray as I showed you above it to ask. It is an old meaning but one we still use today.

If you read old English plays you will find phrases such as “prithee sir” (pray you sir) or “where are you going I pray”.

Take these extracts from that great English writer, Jane Austen

“But pray, Colonel, how came you to conjure out that I should be in town today?” (Mrs Jennings to Colonel Brandon in Sense and
Sensibility)

"Oh! cousin, stop a moment, pray stop!" (Fanny Price to Edmund in Mansfield Park)

Scripture itself uses the word pray in this manner:

Notwithstanding, that I be not further tedious unto thee, I pray thee that thou wouldest hear us of thy clemency a few words. (Acts 24:4 - KJV)

Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health (Acts 27:34 - KJV)

An idol is a person or object that is put in the place that only God can occupy. If I ask you to pray, God is still He to Whom the prayer is directed towards. My asking you is not a prayer to you. If I pray to anyone other than God, I have put that person in God's place.

It depends on your definition of pray. If pray means simply ask then I can ask God something or I can ask you to ask God something.

Asking someone is praying to them as I showed above. But here it is again.

Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health (Acts 27:34 - KJV).

Actually the matter is more complex because in Eglish we use the word pray to translate two different Greek words. Take this example again

Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health (Acts 27:34 - KJV)

The Greek word translated pray here is parakaleo. According to a Greek dictionary this means:- ask, beg, implore, petition, pray, request, solicit, urge, woo.

On the other hand when Jesus says: "But when you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret" (Mt 6:6).
The word translated pray is proseuchomai that is generally used for addressing God.

The Greek speaking Orthodox use use proseuchomai for addressing God and parakaleo for addressing Mary & the Saints. We have only the one word, “pray”, and hence the misunderstandings that arise because most protestants, who do not pray to Mary, do not understand this distinction and assume that Catholics pray to Mary in the same way that they pray to God.

And please don't pretend that all Catholics know that everyone in Christ is a saint. The majority of catholics hold mere deceased men in inappropriate high regard, and Mary in the place of diety. I don't see anyone correcting this from within the Catholic church.

I don't pretend that ALL Catholics know their faith fully. But the Catholic Church uses a distinction between saints (small "s") for Christians (as in the Bible) and those it has discerned are in heaven and considers particularly worthy as examples or role models for us. We call these Canonised Saints or just Saints with a capitalised ‘S’.

Mary is never place in the role of a deity

The majority of them don't know that Mary did not remain a virgin. They don't know that holiness is not a description of one's character or moral esteem. Anyone can be holy. All they need is to be engaged in God's purpose. Water can be holy. Garments can be holy. Food can be holy. etc., etc. The common denominator is the fact that they are being used for godly purpose. That is holiness.

And Mary did remian a virgin. Modern Protetants misinterpret the Bible seriously on this. It was not always so. The early reformers held Mary in high regard.

For example:

Martin Luther:

"Christ...was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him..."brothers" really means "cousins" here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins
brothers. (Sermons on John, chapters 1-4, 1537-39.)

John Calvin:


"There have been certain folk who have wished to suggest that from this passage (Matt 1:25) that
the Virgin Mary had other children than the Son of God, and that Joseph then dwelt with her later; but what folly this is! For the gospel writer did not wish to record what happened afterwards; he simply wished to make clear Joseph's obedience and to show also that Joseph had been well and truly assured that it was God who had sent His angel to Mary.

Ulrich Zwingli:

"I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary....Christ...was born of a most undefiled Virgin." (Stakemeier, E. in De Mariologia et Oecumenismo, B


"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin." (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, in Evang. Luc., v. 1, p. 424.)

Mary was holy by virtue of being chosen for the honerable and blessed purpose of carrying the seed of God so that He could come in the flesh. If she was not mere flesh, this would not have been accomplished. But we all have the same privaledge of having the creator living within us. How many Catholics have heard Him knocking and opened the door? (Rev.3:20) How many know of this invitation? Every one of us have a holy calling.

Indeed we have.

But your point is?

Seems a little point was missed, you see in His Crucifixion was only a small part, if He had remained there on the cross ,which is where so many keep Him than nothing was achieved, it was in His resurrection into Life which is what made all the difference. We go to the cross, there we give our lives up as he did, than we go on with Him unto greater things, if we remain there than we are dead an we have no life. Jesus desires we follow Him so He can give us eternal life,but too many choose to follow man, the blind leading the blind, but that is what they "choose". to there own destruction.

In all His Life

I have given you a good scripturally based reason for depicting Jesus on the cross.

I showed that Paul preached Christ crucified.

If you are just going to ignore what I say then there is no point in my continuing any further with you.

 

[mjrhealth]

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

So many " christians", have not filled there lamps and will not be ready. Jesus has sent His prophets and His teachers, He has sounded the trumpet call warning man of what is to com yet few are listening. The church is asleep, and when it awakes what it wil see i. it will not be prepared for. Your savlation is in Christ alone, no one else can help you.

In all His Love

 

[Mungo]

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Amen, though I do not see the relevance to the topic.

So many " christians", have not filled there lamps and will not be ready. Jesus has sent His prophets and His teachers, He has sounded the trumpet call warning man of what is to com yet few are listening. The church is asleep, and when it awakes what it wil see i. it will not be prepared for.

Still don't see the relevance

Your savlation is in Christ alone,

Amen to that

no one else can help you.

Oh yes they can

We are all aprt of one body. We all help each other. Otherwise why would we ask others to pray for us?

1Cor:12
14 For the body does not consist of one member but of many.
15 If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," that would not make it any less a part of the body.
16 And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," that would not make it any less a part of the body.
17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell?
18 But as it is, God arranged the organs in the body, each one of them, as he chose.
19 If all were a single organ, where would the body be?
20 As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you," nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
22 On the contrary, the parts of the body which seem to be weaker are indispensable,
23 and those parts of the body which we think less honorable we invest with the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty,
24 which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving the greater honor to the inferior part,
25 that there may be no discord in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
26 If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.

Paul goes on to say
28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.

Why would God do that if they could not help us?

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