Justification from everlasting !

[LoveYeshua]

In the teachings of Jesus, justification is clearly linked to faith in Him, not to any works or deeds a person might do. Jesus emphasized that eternal life and righteousness before God come through believing in Him. In John 6:28-29, when asked what they must do to do the works of God, Jesus replied, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent." This highlights that faith in Christ is the primary means of being justified, not the performance of good works. Jesus' parables, like the story of the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14), show that those who humbly trust in God's mercy are justified, not those who rely on their own righteousness or works.


While works do not justify a person, Jesus taught that good works naturally follow from genuine faith. In Matthew 7:16-20, He pointed out that “good trees bear good fruit,” meaning that those who are truly justified by faith in Christ will show evidence of their faith through their actions. In the parable of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31-46), Jesus illustrates that acts of kindness, love, and service are a natural outgrowth of a heart transformed by faith. So, while works do not secure justification, they are a reflection of a life changed by faith and serve as the evidence of true belief.

James 2:14-26 ( NKJV)​

Faith Without Works Is Dead​

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[brightfame52]

Imputation of sins of the elect to Christ from the foundation!

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If in the Eternal Purpose of God, the Lamb has been slain from the foundation of the world, what was He slain for ? It was for the sins of those He was actually slain for in time ! God's Elect. We know this because Peter writing to God's Elect in 1 Pet 1:1-2 writes this to THEM 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Whose our sins ? Its the Elect according to the foreknowledge of God !

Now, if Christ was slain in the Eternal Purpose of the Father, it was for the sins of the foreknown Elect of God.

And that means their sins had been imputed to His Charge, in the Eternal Purpose of God before the foundation of the world. See 1 Pet 1:20 !

It was before the foundation of the world that the Triune God, The Father, Word, and Holy Spirit, The God-Head, in the Counsel of the Everlasting Covenant, Christ being the designated Surety thereof, The Father imputed, laid to the Sureties charge, in His Mediator Office 1 Tim 2:5, the sins of all His Elect. Also they received from Him the Imputed Righteousness of His future obedience unto the Law of God.

This imputation concerns only the Election of Grace among men, and not that of the reprobates, men or angels ! 2

 

[Davy]

Don't be fooled brethren in Christ who stand IN GOD'S WRITTEN WORD instead of a bunch of doctrines by men, like OSAS being proposed on this Thread.


In John 17, Jesus praying to The Father; He showed there are TWO GROUPS OF BELIEVERS.

1. One group Jesus represented by His 'chosen' Apostles whom He said He 'sent' into the world, and that they were not of the world (John 17:6-19).

Can all believers be Apostles? NO! We are not all apostles. Jesus had said that many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 22:14). His chosen ones represent His Apostles, Apostle Paul being one of the strongest examples, since before Jesus struck Paul down on the road to Damascus and personally converted him, Paul was in the act of hunting down Christians to bring them in chains to Jerusalem to be tried (Acts 9).

2. Then in John 17:20, Jesus refers to the 'called' that would believe on Him by the word of His Apostles (i.e, by their preaching of The Gospel).

John 17:20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;
KJV

The 'called' only represent the majority of us believers on Jesus Christ.

So when God's Word is speaking of those who were chosen before the foundation of the world, or who's names were written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, THAT IS ABOUT CHRIST'S CHOSEN VERY ELECT APOSTLES, not the majority of us who have been 'called' only.

As long as the 'called' believer remains in the Faith, and does not fall away from Christ, then they are joined with the first group of Apostles. This is why Jesus also showed in John 17, praying that all believers would be one in The Father and His Son.

But those 'chosen' very elect CANNOT FALL AWAY, EVER, for they WERE ALREADY OWNED BEFORE, BACK TO THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Bible examples of these are like Jonah whom God gave the duty to go preach to the pagans at Nineveh. Jonah tried to get out of that duty, even tried to commit suicide by jumping in the storm out of the boat. But God caused Jonah to be swallowed by a great fish which spit Jonah up right on the shores of Nineveh. Thus Jonah didn't get out of his chosen status and duty which God had assigned him, showing that God already owned... Jonah.

Same idea with Saul (later as Apostle Paul). Saul was a Pharisee, working for them in hunting down Christians. Then Jesus converted him through divine intervention, directly, even speaking to him. And Jesus called him His "chosen vessel". Thus Paul was a chosen elect from the foundation of the world; it just wasn't Paul's time for service yet until Jesus converted him.

Likewise with Christ's Apostles, when at the first He told them to follow Him, they got up, no questions asked, and followed Him. It was because He already OWNED them from the foundation of the world.

So those who are 'called' only, who keep wanting to brag... about their being 'chosen' before the foundation of the world, SHOW ME THAT CHRIST DIRECTLY INTERVENED IN YOUR LIVES LIKE HE DID WITH PAUL, AND LIKE THE FATHER DID WITH JONAH, AND I MIGHT... BELIEVE YOU!

OTHERWISE, don't be so eager to pump yourself up to think that you cannot stumble, because the reality is more likely that you are NOT a 'chosen sent one' (apostle), and thus CALLED only, which means you can STILL fall away to deception IF you allow it.

 

[brightfame52]

@Davy

So when God's Word is speaking of those who were chosen before the foundation of the world, or who's names were written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, THAT IS ABOUT CHRIST'S CHOSEN VERY ELECT APOSTLES, not the majority of us who have been 'called' only.

False its all believers in Christ Eph 1:4-13

 

[LoveYeshua]

Don't be fooled brethren in Christ who stand IN GOD'S WRITTEN WORD instead of a bunch of doctrines by men, like OSAS being proposed on this Thread.


In John 17, Jesus praying to The Father; He showed there are TWO GROUPS OF BELIEVERS.

1. One group Jesus represented by His 'chosen' Apostles whom He said He 'sent' into the world, and that they were not of the world (John 17:6-19).

Can all believers be Apostles? NO! We are not all apostles. Jesus had said that many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 22:14). His chosen ones represent His Apostles, Apostle Paul being one of the strongest examples, since before Jesus struck Paul down on the road to Damascus and personally converted him, Paul was in the act of hunting down Christians to bring them in chains to Jerusalem to be tried (Acts 9).

2. Then in John 17:20, Jesus refers to the 'called' that would believe on Him by the word of His Apostles (i.e, by their preaching of The Gospel).

John 17:20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;
KJV

The 'called' only represent the majority of us believers on Jesus Christ.

So when God's Word is speaking of those who were chosen before the foundation of the world, or who's names were written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, THAT IS ABOUT CHRIST'S CHOSEN VERY ELECT APOSTLES, not the majority of us who have been 'called' only.

As long as the 'called' believer remains in the Faith, and does not fall away from Christ, then they are joined with the first group of Apostles. This is why Jesus also showed in John 17, praying that all believers would be one in The Father and His Son.

But those 'chosen' very elect CANNOT FALL AWAY, EVER, for they WERE ALREADY OWNED BEFORE, BACK TO THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Bible examples of these are like Jonah whom God gave the duty to go preach to the pagans at Nineveh. Jonah tried to get out of that duty, even tried to commit suicide by jumping in the storm out of the boat. But God caused Jonah to be swallowed by a great fish which spit Jonah up right on the shores of Nineveh. Thus Jonah didn't get out of his chosen status and duty which God had assigned him, showing that God already owned... Jonah.

Same idea with Saul (later as Apostle Paul). Saul was a Pharisee, working for them in hunting down Christians. Then Jesus converted him through divine intervention, directly, even speaking to him. And Jesus called him His "chosen vessel". Thus Paul was a chosen elect from the foundation of the world; it just wasn't Paul's time for service yet until Jesus converted him.

Likewise with Christ's Apostles, when at the first He told them to follow Him, they got up, no questions asked, and followed Him. It was because He already OWNED them from the foundation of the world.

So those who are 'called' only, who keep wanting to brag... about their being 'chosen' before the foundation of the world, SHOW ME THAT CHRIST DIRECTLY INTERVENED IN YOU LIVES LIKE HE DID WITH PAUL, AND LIKE THE FATHER DID WITH JONAH, AND I MIGHT... BELIEVE YOU!

OTHERWISE, don't be so eager to pump yourself up to think that you cannot stumble, because the reality is more likely that you are NOT a 'chosen sent one' (apostle), and thus CALLED only, which means you can STILL fall away to deception IF you allow it.

I never claimed to be a chosen one but so you know Christ does intervene directly in people's lives, it happened twice to me so I wonder who the elect are , I am researching this now to find out more but nonetheless if someone changes and go bad they can lose salvation.

But I tell you this what Jesus did say in Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” is absolutelu true, he will not abandon you.

Rest assured that Christ is always with people who follow him, Love him and do God's will. I have experienced this first hand.

 

[Davy]

@Davy



False its all believers in Christ Eph 1:4-13

Only IF... the 'called' REMAIN STEADFAST IN CHRIST TO THE END.

Otherwise, all The New Testament Scripture by Christ and His Apostles admonishing us to NOT be deceived, and NOT fall away, would be meaningless.

 

[Davy]

I never claimed to be a chosen one but so you know Christ does intervene directly in people's lives, it happened twice to me so I wonder who the elect are , I am researching this now to find out more but nonetheless if someone changes and go bad they can lose salvation.

I believe Jesus still does directly intervene in 'some' believer's lives before... they have believed on Him. Those are 'chosen' ones, even still for today, not Apostles like his 12, but the idea of apostles still, because it means to be 'sent', and those can never fall away, for Christ has already 'sealed' those. But for the majority of believers, He will only come into their lives if they first choose to believe on their own by the word of others (like Jesus said in John 17:20), and then IF they pray and ask Him.

What I see the idea of His 'chosen' ones is about, is about a leadership given His Church during this world. Apostle Paul was a great choice because he was brought up in God's Word under the best Hebrew scholar of his day, Gamaliel. So Paul was a scholar of God's Word. And then Lord Jesus showed Paul the finishing touches of what was missing via The New Covenant.

But I tell you this what Jesus did say in Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” is absolutelu true, he will not abandon you.

Rest assured that Christ is always with people who follow him, Love him and do God's will. I have experienced this first hand.

Yes, and that 'condition' is... like you have also shown, "with people who follow him, Love him and do God's will."

However, what I cannot allow to slide, because God's Word doesn't, is what happens to the believer that DOES NOT follow Lord Jesus and His commandments, and thus don't do God's will? The fact that we are saved only... by His Grace, which is a free gift we can never earn, like Apostle James said, works will show our Faith, so they go hand in hand. And I am not preaching the law by saying that either, I'm not Jewish. It's like what Jesus said about our treasure, wherever our treasure is, that's where our heart will be.

 

[brightfame52]

Only IF... the 'called' REMAIN STEADFAST IN CHRIST TO THE END.

Otherwise, all The New Testament Scripture by Christ and His Apostles admonishing us to NOT be deceived, and NOT fall away, would be meaningless.

All believers are in Christ, chosen in Him b4 the foundation Eph 1:3-13 if they believe the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13 its because they were chosen in Christ Eph 1:4

 

[Davy]

All believers are in Christ, chosen in Him b4 the foundation Eph 1:3-13 if they believe the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13 its because they were chosen in Christ Eph 1:4

That only remains true IF... they do not... FALL AWAY.

Like Jesus said, either you believe Him, or you do not...

Matt 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
KJV

What does God's Word show about falling away by Jonah, or Job, or Apostle Paul? Those were all 'chosen' examples in God's Word, just as Christ's 12 Apostles were also.

So what THRONE did Jesus PROMISE YOU in His future Kingdom, for He promised His Apostles would each sit upon thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel (Matt.19:28). After all, since you are going to pump yourself up like you are a 'chosen' sent one.

A real... Bible study on this matter, and not a bunch glory preaching at the pulpit, reveals that God's Word shows one group of believers in Christ that are 'chosen', and can never fall away, never be deceived. And then God's Word also shows a group of 'called' believers that still CAN fall away IF they allow it. OK, for those interested I cover those 2 points from Bible Scripture:


1. Those in Christ who CANNOT fall away at the END:

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

The above is often misinterpreted to be about the idea of plural many antichrists. However, notice the phrases in green are SINGULAR in tense, and are about a singular antichrist or false-Messiah.

Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, defined the Greek word pseudochristos translated by the KJV as "false Christs" instead as singular 'a spurious Messiah'. (See Strong's no.5580).

That means... Lord Jesus was in reality warning about the coming of a singular Antichrist, a false-Messiah. And that false one is to work "great signs and wonders", i.e., miracles, to deceive those who will be saying that, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", and Jesus said to not believe it.

The Main Point:
Then notice what the 24th verse continues with regarding that false-Messiah working those great signs and wonders, that IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, IT WOULD DECEIVE EVEN THE VERY ELECT. So who are those "very elect" Jesus mentioned there? And what does it mean "if it were possible" for them to be deceived? Those are about Christ's 'chosen' ones that cannot be deceived, ever. That "if it were possible" phrase means it is NOT possible for the very elect to be deceived.

Those type phrases written in God's Word impart more detail of what is being shown. In essence, Lord Jesus is warning us about the coming of a singular false-Messiah/Antichrist who will have the power of miracles that would ALMOST... deceive His "very elect", IF... it were possible for them to be deceived. That description gives us more info; it reveals just how seriously deceptive that false-Messiah is going to be with his working those miracles, so much so, that if one is NOT... one of Christ's "very elect", how might it affect them?

How many brethren that believe on The Father and His Son Jesus Christ already 'know' about that coming event for the END of this world?


2. Those who CAN fall away at the END:

Read 2 Thessalonians 2 by Apostle Paul about the "falling away" and appearance of the "man of sin" that must occur PRIOR to Christ's future coming and gather of the Church. That is the same false-Messiah Lord Jesus was warning about in Matthew 24:23-26.

Most Churches today are wrongly trying to preach that "falling away" is already happening today, trying to apply falling Church attendance, etc., to it. That's not really what that 2 Thess.2:3-4 warning is about though. Instead, Paul was giving the same kind of warning Lord Jesus was in Matthew 24:23-26 about the false-Messiah that comes first, working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world with. It will be that future event which will cause that great "falling away" event of many believers on Lord Jesus Christ. It is a marker that they will be deceived into believing that coming false-Messiah will be our Lord Jesus Christ when it will not be.

The majority of today's Churches aren't warning about that "man of sin" as the coming false-Messiah Jesus warned about, because they don't really know about it, and are following something else, like they think a pope is that "man of sin", or the idea of "many antichrists", just about anything other than what is written there by Apostle Paul. And that is your test which our Heavenly Father and His Son allows, to see who we will listen to.

Then at 2 Thess.2:11, Paul calls that future event of deception to that coming false-Messiah as the "strong delusion" that God sends, but upon whom, as these that fall away Paul spoke of are about believers on Christ? These represent the 'called' only, who CAN still fall away IF... they allow themselves to be deceived. And the greatest falling away event for this world is still in our near future when that false-Messiah shows up and proclaims himself as The Christ in Jerusalem. Even some of the early Church fathers understood about this future event (like Hippolytus).

So... brethren, is YOUR Church warning you about that coming false-Messiah who will appear first, claiming to be GOD, working those great signs and wonders on earth to deceive the whole world with? If not, then your Church probably is already deceived and not prepared for what is coming per God's written Word. Who do you think they will claim that false-Messiah is? Mostly likely, with their being deceived, they will claim it is our Lord Jesus when it will not be. Who will YOU believe then, God's Word as written, or what your Church preaches say with pop doctrines outside of God's Word?

 

[brightfame52]

@Davy

That only remains true IF... they do not... FALL AWAY.

You just throw in anything. This thread is about Justification from everlasting. Thats where I been studying.

 

[brightfame52]

Eternally Justified in God's Purpose !

Everyone who is truly believing in the Son of God for their Salvation Jn 3:16, for the word believing there is in the present tense hence "whosoever is believing" was eternally Justified in the Purpose of God by the Grace of God Rom 8:30; 2 Tim 1:9

Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The Justification of the Elect of God did not begin in time, but from everlasting. Paul when revealing in His Gospel the eternal decree of God and of predestination, states clearly that all of God's Elect were Justified in His Eternal Purpose of Grace ! Thats what Paul also points to in Titus 3:7

7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

What Hope of Eternal Life ? This right here Titus 1:2

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

The Elect were made Heirs of Eternal Life before the world began, by Grace, and they were Justified by that Grace before the world began !

The writer John Gill once said " God's will to elect is the election of His People; so also His will to Justify them is the justification of them" !

God's Justification of His People is an act of Grace and based upon the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Rom 3:24

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Now this redemption, took place in the mind and purpose of God before the foundation of the world 1 Pet 1:20 and Rev 13:8


20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[brightfame52]

In the Mind of God !

The religious people of our time have shown profound irreverence to God, as though, when something in the Mind of God means nothing to them, as though what's in His Mind as True cannot be True unless its true in the minds of his creatures, reducing God to their levels, which is blasphemy !

However in the Mind and Purpose of God, the Lord Jesus Christ was the lamb Slain from the foundation of the World Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This is not saying that He was literally slain in time from the foundation, but that He was slain in the Mind and Eternal Purpose of God from the foundation of the World !

You see God the Father constituted His Son as an Surety of the Covenant, the Everlasting Covenant before the world began. He was designated a substitute and redeemer before the world began, and as such God in His own Mind looked upon His Son as having been slain, put to death for the Sins of His Elect from Eternity. This was prefigured with Abraham and Isaac. Even though Abraham did not literally put his son to death, he certainly had purposed to do so in his mind ! This purpose was so real that it was said that he received his son back from the dead ! Heb 11:19

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Abraham looked at his son as good as dead, and believed that God could raise him from the dead to establish His earlier promises regarding him !
And so, The Father looked at His own beloved Son as already scarified for His Sheep from everlasting, according to the agreement in the Everlasting Covenant , when Christ became Surety !

Its dishonoring to God to despise and treat with contempt that which He See's as real and complete in His Mind, because it was not so in the minds of His creatures.2

 

[Davy]

@Davy



You just throw in anything. This thread is about Justification from everlasting. Thats where I been studying.

I gave it to you straight... from God's written Word, and you instead REJECT His Word in favor obviously of the false Pop doctrines of whomever you've been listening to instead. So if you do not care... what our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ warned His disciples in HIS Word about the coming of a false-Messiah at the END of this world, then I don't care about your soul either. Stay deceived if that is what you want.

 

[Davy]

Eternally Justified in God's Purpose !

Everyone who is truly believing in the Son of God for their Salvation Jn 3:16, for the word believing there is in the present tense hence "whosoever is believing" was eternally Justified in the Purpose of God by the Grace of God Rom 8:30; 2 Tim 1:9

Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

....

There it is brethren in Christ: the vain attempt to slice n' dice God's Word in favor of a false doctrine of man like OSAS instead of heeding Christ's warnings He gave HIS SERVANTS about the end involving a false-Messiah that comes first playing Him.

"Oh, God will save me from deception," those Pop doctrine followers claim, some even so foolish as to believe men that tell them they are going to 'fly away' before the "great tribulation" even begins! (Yeah, the false Pre-trib Rapture Theory is one of those false Pop doctrines from men taught in some churches.)

What do they call it brethren, when someone keeps making the same mistake over and over again expecting different results? Ignorance? No, stubbornness. God calls stubbornness as witchcraft and rebellion as iniquity (1 Samuel 15:23).

 

[Davy]

Its dishonoring to God to despise and treat with contempt that which He See's as real and complete in His Mind, because it was not so in the minds of His creatures.2

The way YOU are treating God's written Word and what Lord Jesus Christ did on His cross, is what is showing CONTEMPT and REBELLION against Him.

When Lord Jesus gave the Church stern WARNINGS for the END of this world, even SIGNS of the end to be WATCHING, so as to NOT be deceived, and then to REJECT His warnings and NOT watching those SIGNS leading up to His future return, is... CONTEMPT AND REBELLION AGAINST HIM AND HIS WORD!


Brethren in Christ:
How many of you are NOT new to having believed on Lord Jesus and been baptized, have attended Church for most of your lives, and have left some churches because all they do is preach The Gospel of Jesus Christ and never get around to covering the rest of God's written Word?

There's always going to be 'pew-potatoes' who keep going to those type churches where they may have been baptized, but then never get fed past knowledge of The Gospel. And it is the duty of the Church to preach The Gospel of Jesus Christ, so don't go listening to the devil with wrongly thinking I'm against that, for I am not. What I am speaking about is the difference of the MIND of the believer on Christ per Hebrews 5...

Heb 5:8-14
8 Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;
9 And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of Whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
KJV


Apostle Paul in Hebrews 5 rebuked those brethren who never become teachers themselves on the "strong meat" of God's Word, but continually were staying on the 'milk' teaching of God's Word.


If you are a believer on Jesus Christ, and have been baptized in His Name, then it is time for you... to get down to disciplined Bible study, and I mean all of it, not just the Bible Scriptures you think to ISOLATE, which is a VAIN ATTEMPT TO CREATE ONE'S OWN THEOLOGY.

 

[brightfame52]

I gave it to you straight... from God's written Word, and you instead REJECT His Word in favor obviously of the false Pop doctrines of whomever you've been listening to instead. So if you do not care... what our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ warned His disciples in HIS Word about the coming of a false-Messiah at the END of this world, then I don't care about your soul either. Stay deceived if that is what you want.

Do you care to discuss Justification from everlasting or not

 

[Davy]

Do you care to discuss Justification from everlasting or not

Nope. I don't care to discuss the matter with you, because you are still not Biblically educated enough to understand what you are talking about. I'm just being truthful, and not trying to insult. When you increase in your Bible studies (for yourself with asking God's help), then you will realize the difference in pop doctrines of men only slice n' diced from various Bible Scriptures vs. understanding God's written Word as a Whole. Right now, you regurgitating popular ideas used by many churches from the verses you quote reveals you are not relying on an understanding directly from Bible Scripture as a whole.

 

[brightfame52]

Continuing with Justification from Everlasting !

As we should consider the Gospel Truth of Eternal Justification, we Look at Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

For it cannot be honestly denied that God the Father did view the Chosen as In Christ before the Foundation of the World, for they were Loved in Him Before the foundation of the world Jn 17:23-24

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Now, If God the Father did view them in Christ before the foundation, did He view them in a state of condemnation or Justification ? We dare not conclude condemnation because that is impossible for those which be in Christ Jesus Rom 8:1, So it must be Justified, for also He did not lay their sins to their charge in Adam Rom 8:33-34; 2 Cor 5:19. The conclusion is obvious, they were Justified before the foundation of the world ! 2

 

[Davy]

TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF BELIEVERS ON CHRIST:

1st Group:
Christ's 'chosen' sent Apostles:

John 17:5-6
5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy word.
KJV

John 17:16-21
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As Thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

It is Christ's very elect 'chosen' Apostles that were previously owned by The Father, then given to Christ, Whom He then 'sent', which are the ones that are 'sanctified' by The Truth. There still are 'sent' ones to this day, but not in the sense of Christ's Apostles.



2nd Group:
All Other Believers Not Sent, But Called Only, Because Like Jesus Said, "many are called, but few are chosen":

John 17:20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.
KJV

When those who are 'called' only, remain steadfast in the Faith, waiting on Jesus Christ, then they become one with the 'chosen' sent ones, all becoming one body in Christ.

But... the difference is that those 'called' only can still fall away from the Faith, as many have throughout Christian history. The called only become sanctified by remaining... in the Faith to the end.


The following Bible Scripture is about remaining... steadfast in the Faith, all the way to the end. It means NOT allowing ourself to fall away, not to men's doctrines, nor especially to the coming false-Messiah for the end of this world that is very near our time today.

These admonitions to remain steadfast in the Faith are given because those 'called' only CAN be deceived IF they allow it, and thus fall away prior to Christ's future return.

Matt 10:22
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
KJV

Dan 12:12
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
KJV

Matt 24:12-13
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

Mark 13:13
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

Luke 8:15
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
KJV

Rom 2:7
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
KJV

Heb 3:14
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
KJV

Heb 6:11-12
11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
KJV

Rev 2:26
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
KJV

 

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I have some points derived from scripture Truth, why all those Christ died for are Justified from Eternity, from their sin in adam and consequently all sin following. I have listed six reasons, and I am indebted to God through one John Brine from his treatise on Eternal Justification.

Point #1 Justification is an immanent, and consequently an eternal act. This argument must be allowed conclusive, unless it can be proved that Justification is a transient act.

What is meant by an immanent act ? Well the word itself means:


remaining within; indwelling; inherent.

2.
Philosophy . (of a mental act) taking place within the mind of the subject and having no effect outside of it. Compare transeunt.

3.
Theology . (of the Deity) indwelling the universe, time, etc. Compare transcendent ( def. 3 ) .

It means it's a inward act of God's reckoning. Its a Judgment of God based on nothing outside of Him, and so such a act would be Eternal simply because God is Eternal Deut 33:7

The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

This is why David could write regarding God's Mercy Ps 103:17

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

You see that ? The mercy of the Lord is from Everlasting to Everlasting, to who ? Those who fear Him or the Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

An Immanent Act of God is different from an transeunt act of God which produces effects outside of God ! An example of that would be Creation, it's accomplishment is outside of God and by His Power !