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The following videos demonstrate clearly why I and many others cleave to the KJV only as the foundation of my faith and practice. Modern translations are nor improvements...they are not clearer versions...they are corrupt translations derived from the corrupted Vaticanus text.
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Luke 4:4. KJV. Compare this verse as just one simple example of such corruption in the NIV, NASB, ESV, NLT, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zS45tDFHRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPui6bFiU2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmZW9XUuci8
 

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And yet there are differnces even between the kjv publishers. jesus is supposed to be the foundation of our faith. One can live without the bible one cannot live without Christ.
 

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mjrhealth said:
And yet there are differnces even between the kjv publishers. jesus is supposed to be the foundation of our faith. One can live without the bible one cannot live without Christ.
How did you hear about Christ? Where did you obtain all of the information about him and how to obtain salvation? From Josephus or Tacitus???
 

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brakelite said:
The following videos demonstrate clearly why I and many others cleave to the KJV only as the foundation of my faith and practice. Modern translations are nor improvements...they are not clearer versions...they are corrupt translations derived from the corrupted Vaticanus text.
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Luke 4:4. KJV. Compare this verse as just one simple example of such corruption in the NIV, NASB, ESV, NLT, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zS45tDFHRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPui6bFiU2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmZW9XUuci8
brakelite,

So are you a supporter of the 1611 KJV, complete with the Apocrypha?

How is it that Erasmus could not find a Greek MSS with the last 6 verses of the Book of Revelation for the Textus Receptus (which the KJV translators used) so he translated from the Latin Vulgate to the Greek? Since that time no Greek MSS has been found that is identical to that translated by Erasmus.

So this 1611 KJV is based on a Greek copy of the NT that did not have these last 6 verses. How do we know such verses existed? Erasmus had access to the Latin Vulgate which was translated by Jerome ca. AD 400. A Latin version of the NT was known as early as ca. AD 200.

The facts are that MSS earlier than those used for the KJV have now been discovered and they demonstrate that there are additions to the Greek MSS that the KJV used. The KJV has, thus, added to Scripture in verses such as Mark 16:9-20, if one accepts the authenticity of the earlier MSS than those used by Erasmus in the Textus Receptus. See this explanation of how Erasmus used late MSS (10th-12th centuries) and many earlier MSS or portions of MSS have been found that make for more accurate translations in later editions of the NT than the KJV.

That statement will not make me a friend of KJV-only folks like yourself.

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How did you hear about Christ? Where did you obtain all of the information about him and how to obtain salvation? From Josephus or Tacitus???
Well He did mostly, but most people assume hes Dead. You know that bit, " I am teh bread of life". Why so angry...
 
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I did not post this as a definitive apologetic for the KJV. I appreciate that there are limitations to the KJV, however, as a comparison with modern versions all of which are founded predominantly on mss which lean toward Roman theology omitting scriptures and part verses to support their particular doctrines, I will seldom resort to them except in carefully gaining a better grammatical understanding or perspective. For doctrine however...for a clear appreciation of the way of salvation...for understanding the true gospel....the KJV is invaluable in comparison.
 

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brakelite said:
I did not post this as a definitive apologetic for the KJV. I appreciate that there are limitations to the KJV, however, as a comparison with modern versions all of which are founded predominantly on mss which lean toward Roman theology omitting scriptures and part verses to support their particular doctrines, I will seldom resort to them except in carefully gaining a better grammatical understanding or perspective. For doctrine however...for a clear appreciation of the way of salvation...for understanding the true gospel....the KJV is invaluable in comparison.
brakelite,

If you dealt accurately with textual criticism, you would know that it is the later MSS of the Textus Receptus that have ADDED verses and it is not the earlier MSS that have omitted them.

It has nothing to do with Roman Catholic theology. It has everything to do with earlier versus later MSS. It is one of the limitations of copying MSS that the more they are copied, the higher the chances of introducing new material in verses and variants.

The Gospel is clearly proclaimed in the MSS of the United Bible Societies or Nestle-Aland Greek texts. These are those that are used for the NIV, ESV, NLT, RSV, NRSV. It is false to state that 'For doctrine however...for a clear appreciation of the way of salvation...for understanding the true gospel....the KJV is invaluable in comparison'.

Sound doctrine is clearly available in the NIV, ESV and NLT.

To fob this off as RCC doctrine is a furphy.

Oz
 
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OzSpen said:
brakelite,

If you dealt accurately with textual criticism, you would know that it is the later MSS of the Textus Receptus that have ADDED verses and it is not the earlier MSS that have omitted them.



Oz
On what basis is it considered that the earlier MSS, the Vaticanus (and Sanaitcus (found in a rubbish bin at a monastary in Sinai, and discarded because of the number of erasures and re-renderings) are necessarily better?
Dean John William Burgon,a well reknowned Bible scholar, personally collated the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus manuscripts. In his book, "The Revision Revised", which he wrote in 1881, he gives his opinion and lists undeniable facts about what these two manuscripts say.
Mr. Burgon states on page 11; "Singular to relate Vaticanus and Aleph have within the last 20 years established a tyrannical ascendance over the imagination of the Critics, which can only be fitly spoken of as a blind superstition. It matters nothing that they are discovered on careful scrutiny to differ essentially, not only from ninety-nine out of a hundred of the whole body of extant MSS. besides, but even from one another. In the gospels alone B (Vaticanus) is found to omit at least 2877 words: to add 536, to substitute, 935; to transpose, 2098: to modify 1132 (in all 7578): - the corresponding figures for Aleph being 3455 omitted, 839 added, 1114 substitued, 2299 transposed, 1265 modified (in all 8972). And be it remembered that the omissions, additions, substitutions, transpositions, and modifications, are by no means the same in both. It is in fact easier to find two consecutive verses in which these two mss. differ the one from the other, than two consecutive verses in which they entirely agree."
On page 319 of he remarks, "In the Gospels alone Vaticanus has 589 readings quite peculiar to itself, affecting 858 words while Aleph has 1460 such readings, affecting 2640 words."

As far as the Vaticanus is concerned, as you are likely aware, most og Genesis is missing, both books of Timothy, most of Hebrews, and all of Revelation. Thus the so-called "more reliable" minority texts rely on the Sanaiticus text for much of Christian theology and which had its origins in Alexandria. And this is the basis for most modern Bibles. It is no coincidence that the portions of scripture missing from Vaticanus if included counter much of Roman theology. And the apocrypha? Are you serious?
 

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Hi BL - The Word of God always gets attention when brought up for discussion, it being the primary significance to our learning of Christ, and without which one cannot "grow up in Him" (Eph 4:15).

I haven't viewed the links yet but wanted to share some input. There are only two primary sources from which all Bible translations derive: the Majority Text (comprised of the majority of extant manuscript copies); the Minority Text (comprised of only a few manuscript copies which significantly disagree with the Majority).

The reason for the separate categories is because the latter manuscripts were usually discarded for non-use due to their inconsistency with the Majority of existing copies, and the reason why they are easily accepted is because of their antiquity. The reason for their antiquity is because since they weren't used much in copying they did not wear out like the others which have an acceptable content. When a copy being used approached becoming illegible they would copy it then destroy it (to avoid misuse), which is why the Majority of all copies are dated much latter.

The Minority Text primarily consists of the codex Vaticanus, codex Sinaitcus and the codex Alaxandrinus. These are manuscripts which have been shown to be productions of Gnostics, which evidence is in the omissions of content and in the interpolations and transpositions of many contexts.

The Vaticanus was discovered laying perdu in the Vatican library for 15 centuries, and the Sinaiticus was found by Tishendorf in a monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai. He discovered a monk burning some parchments and after he stopped him he saw they were Biblical manuscripts, which were probably not used in centuries.

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