Knowing Supersedes Wondering

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Significance is not so much in wondering about the reality of God as much as it is in knowing what His Word says of Him, because our reasoning is at times inaccurate, it being effected by our senses and “the old man.”

The “wondering” for the believer isn’t doubt of the Word but of self in attempting to achieve some type of a sense of the reality of God. Notice the word “sense,” as in the five senses, which have no commonality or production with spiritual faith, which is different in essence from natural faith of the senses.

Believing by sensual or natural faith is different than believing by non-sensual or supernatural faith (fruit of the Spirit - Gal 5:22). The prior is believing by physical proof (walking by sight - 2Co 5:7), and the latter is believing without physical proof (Jhn 20:29). Faith in God's Word provides the primary means by which the Spirit confirms within us that "we are the children of God" (Ro 8:16).

Of course, what we think about everything is inferior to what God’s Word says about everything, and it’s often here that we place too much reasoning about His Word instead of merely taking thought of His Word. Wanting to sense more of God’s reality will only yield a limited result (so don’t let it disappoint you) because there is nothing within our senses that can relate to Him.

He cannot be known by the senses but by knowledge of His Word which the Spirit teaches, and this gives increase to faith, which is the most significant aspect concerning our union or connection with God in this life (united “through faith” – Eph. 2:8); and is the reason why He gradually removed the reality of seeing (sensing) His physical workings, in provision of allowing faith to continue to grow, for faith has its use only in this life. The more physical proof one has of God, the less there will be potential for the increase of spiritual faith.
 

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Significance is not so much in wondering about the reality of God as much as it is in knowing what His Word says of Him, because our reasoning is at times inaccurate, it being effected by our senses and “the old man.”

The “wondering” for the believer isn’t doubt of the Word but of self in attempting to achieve some type of a sense of the reality of God. Notice the word “sense,” as in the five senses, which have no commonality or production with spiritual faith, which is different in essence from natural faith of the senses.

Believing by sensual or natural faith is different than believing by non-sensual or supernatural faith (fruit of the Spirit - Gal 5:22). The prior is believing by physical proof (walking by sight - 2Co 5:7), and the latter is believing without physical proof (Jhn 20:29). Faith in God's Word provides the primary means by which the Spirit confirms within us that "we are the children of God" (Ro 8:16).

Of course, what we think about everything is inferior to what God’s Word says about everything, and it’s often here that we place too much reasoning about His Word instead of merely taking thought of His Word. Wanting to sense more of God’s reality will only yield a limited result (so don’t let it disappoint you) because there is nothing within our senses that can relate to Him.

He cannot be known by the senses but by knowledge of His Word which the Spirit teaches, and this gives increase to faith, which is the most significant aspect concerning our union or connection with God in this life (united “through faith” – Eph. 2:8); and is the reason why He gradually removed the reality of seeing (sensing) His physical workings, in provision of allowing faith to continue to grow, for faith has its use only in this life. The more physical proof one has of God, the less there will be potential for the increase of spiritual faith.

All true. Yet, it still does not remove the wonderful thoughts of what could be when He takes over this world. :)
 
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Addressing the OP, 100% correct, and on point.

The “wondering” for the believer isn’t doubt of the Word but of self in attempting to achieve some type of a sense of the reality of God.

He cannot be known by the senses but by knowledge of His Word which the Spirit teaches

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All true. Yet, it still does not remove the wonderful thoughts of what could be when He takes over this world. :)
True, it will no longer be faith but sight!
Both of you are on point and Correct, scripture, 1 Corinthians 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

that was taken from, or written in the book of Isaiah 64:4 "For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him."

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Both of you are on point and Correct, scripture, 1 Corinthians 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

that was taken from, or written in the book of Isaiah 64:4 "For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him."

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I did not know that! Thank you for sharing.
 

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I did not know that! Thank you for sharing.
in the name of the Lord Jesus you're welcome.

and a side note, this is why I understand the difference between the KOH and the KOG, and how they are used. many think it's the same. but the KOH is REAL, because remember we live in a ... "CREATED" world, not the REAL WORLD, but this world we live in is a "CREATION" of God.

so be blessed, and look for the GOOD things of God in Both Worlds....

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Significance is not so much in wondering about the reality of God as much as it is in knowing what His Word says of Him, because our reasoning is at times inaccurate, it being effected by our senses and “the old man.”

The “wondering” for the believer isn’t doubt of the Word but of self in attempting to achieve some type of a sense of the reality of God. Notice the word “sense,” as in the five senses, which have no commonality or production with spiritual faith, which is different in essence from natural faith of the senses.

Believing by sensual or natural faith is different than believing by non-sensual or supernatural faith (fruit of the Spirit - Gal 5:22). The prior is believing by physical proof (walking by sight - 2Co 5:7), and the latter is believing without physical proof (Jhn 20:29). Faith in God's Word provides the primary means by which the Spirit confirms within us that "we are the children of God" (Ro 8:16).

Of course, what we think about everything is inferior to what God’s Word says about everything, and it’s often here that we place too much reasoning about His Word instead of merely taking thought of His Word. Wanting to sense more of God’s reality will only yield a limited result (so don’t let it disappoint you) because there is nothing within our senses that can relate to Him.

He cannot be known by the senses but by knowledge of His Word which the Spirit teaches, and this gives increase to faith, which is the most significant aspect concerning our union or connection with God in this life (united “through faith” – Eph. 2:8); and is the reason why He gradually removed the reality of seeing (sensing) His physical workings, in provision of allowing faith to continue to grow, for faith has its use only in this life. The more physical proof one has of God, the less there will be potential for the increase of spiritual faith.
Your OP brought to my mind this verse:

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matt 4:4

We can certainly eat bread and even read the Bible, but being too logical and making too many decisions based on our own logic or the logic of others may be likened to what you call "too much reasoning... instead of merely taking thought of His Word" His Word is the Reality of God and only by the quickening Spirit can it be meaningful in a way that ultimately matters to us and to God. The senses [five physical] can and often do result in complete nonsense when applied to Reality.

Give God the glory!
 
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All true. Yet, it still does not remove the wonderful thoughts of what could be when He takes over this world. :)
By this world, you should consider it as when He takes over the world of Nancy rather than the world called planet Earth. Nancy may Live indeed, by the Word of God in her, but planet Earth can only be now what men make of it, which these days is not usually a 'good' thing, is it?
 
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By this world, you should consider it as when He takes over the world of Nancy rather than the world called planet Earth. Nancy may Live indeed, by the Word of God in her, but planet Earth can only be now what men make of it, which these days is not usually a 'good' thing, is it?

Truth brother. What men make of this world is fading, fast. What comes to mind often is when you speak of seeing through a glass darkly (well, God said it first, lol). We can see His beauty in His creation and sometimes it will take our breath away. And, if THAT is seeing through a glass darkly...how bright must heaven be! And, when I look at the sun through squinted eyes...it sure does not seem as though I'm seeing through a dark glass, lol.
And, BTW-He HAS taken over Nancy, :)
 
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Truth brother. What men make of this world is fading, fast. What comes to mind often is when you speak of seeing through a glass darkly (well, God said it first, lol). We can see His beauty in His creation and sometimes it will take our breath away. And, if THAT is seeing through a glass darkly...how bright must heaven be! And, when I look at the sun through squinted eyes...it sure does not seem as though I'm seeing through a dark glass, lol.
And, BTW-He HAS taken over Nancy, :)
And consider that when Moses asked to see God he was denied a vision of His face. The man was placed in a protected place and was allowed to see the "back parts" of God, but definitely Not His face [Exodus 33:23]. But a greater immediate hope than Moses had in that moment, we have now, do we not in the "face to face" of THEN?
 
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And consider that when Moses asked to see God he was denied a vision of His face. The man was placed in a protected place and was allowed to see the "back parts" of God, but definitely Not His face [Exodus 33:23]. But a greater immediate hope than Moses had in that moment, we have now, do we not in the "face to face" of THEN?

Impossible to imagine what He has waiting for His children. Yet, it's exciting to at least try to imagine, lol. The things we hope to see or have in heaven are most likely not a thing that we imagine as, "...no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him"
Hi IS light, brighter than any we have ever known! Amen!
 
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Both of you are on point and Correct, scripture, 1 Corinthians 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

that was taken from, or written in the book of Isaiah 64:4 "For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him."

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Like your reply here with 1Co 2:9, but let's not forget the following verse 10. "But God hath revealed them unto us,.... Should it be said, that since this wisdom is so hidden and mysterious, the doctrines of the Gospel are so unknown, so much out of the sight and understanding of men, how come any to be acquainted with them? The answer is ready, God has made a revelation of them, not only in his word, which is common to men, nor only to his ministers, but to private Christians and believers."

I think "neither have entered into the heart of man" is in reference to the majority of mankind, which will always comprise unbelievers.
 

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Your OP brought to my mind this verse:

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matt 4:4

We can certainly eat bread and even read the Bible, but being too logical and making too many decisions based on our own logic or the logic of others may be likened to what you call "too much reasoning... instead of merely taking thought of His Word" His Word is the Reality of God and only by the quickening Spirit can it be meaningful in a way that ultimately matters to us and to God. The senses [five physical] can and often do result in complete nonsense when applied to Reality.

Give God the glory!
Hi, and like your comment!
 
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Thanks for the reply, second,
Like your reply here with 1Co 2:9, but let's not forget the following verse 10. "But God hath revealed them unto us,.... Should it be said, that since this wisdom is so hidden and mysterious, the doctrines of the Gospel are so unknown, so much out of the sight and understanding of men, how come any to be acquainted with them? The answer is ready, God has made a revelation of them, not only in his word, which is common to men, nor only to his ministers, but to private Christians and believers."

I think "neither have entered into the heart of man" is in reference to the majority of mankind, which will always comprise unbelievers.
Amen, there are so MANY "THINGS" of God that there is no end to them. translation, ever;asting things....

what a wonderful God we serve, endless things.

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