Let's exegete Hebrews 10:37 in context

[Davy]

What I AM teaching is what the Scriptures taught: namely, that this second BODILY COMING OF CHRIST, along with a BODILY RESURRECTION of the saints actually took place in AD 70, just as Christ and every NT writer had written concerning that soon-to-come event.
Full Preterism differs with my view in that I see Scripture also teaching a future THIRD COMING, and a THIRD BODILY RESURRECTION for the last group of the saints who will have died between AD 70 and the final judgment in our future. And I would not present this view without having all the Scripture backing for it, as well as the archaeological proof that Christ already returned to the Mount of Olives back in AD 70. The proofs are there for those who take the time to do their research.

What is it with you people who go directly against Bible Scripture as written?

Lord Jesus Christ DID NOT RETURN in 70 A.D.! That is NOWHERE WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN GOD'S WORD!

If you think that is written, show me the Bible Scripture!

You won't find any such idea written in God's Word. I already know that for a fact.

And there is NO THIRD COMING by Lord Jesus. That idea is not written either.

What is written, is that Jesus appearing to His disciples right after His resurrection, NOT IN 70 A.D., and He only appeared among them for 40 days! And then per Acts 1 He ascended to Heaven in view of His disciples upon the Mount of Olives, to sit on the right hand of The Father's Throne, where He still sits to this day, expecting until it is time for His future 2nd coming! That is... what is actually written in God's Word, not what you are claiming.

 

[HappyOma]

I did in post #5. But okay, perhaps a more classic approach:

Hebrews 10:37 “For yet a little while, And He who is coming will come and will not tarry."​

A "little while" was indeed simply: a little while. "He who is coming" is God--not the Son of God, for He was flesh and blood, and He does not return in flesh and blood again, but "in the glory of the Father" (Matthew 16:27), which is to say: in Spirit. "And will not tarry" confirms that "a little while" was indeed a little while, i.e., "soon" thereafter.

Which began at Pentecost, not as all people in mass or by group--as many have believed would occur, but as Paul stated: "but each one in his own order." "One" meaning each "individual." Which would occur during the church age "until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled"--"then comes the end."

The ENTIRE Book of Hebrews is about CHRIST. The writer states that He came the first time to deal with sin (His Advent) and would come a Second Time for salvation (chapter 9). The subject is CHRIST. THEY were told to not neglect gathering together as THEY saw the "day approaching." That day was the coming of the CHRIST the writer has spend NINE chapters writing about.

HE WHO IS COMING is none other than Christ--whose coming is taught throughout the NT. It is HE who was coming to THEM "in a very, very, little while."

You wrote: Which began at Pentecost, not as all people in mass or by group--as many have believed would occur, but as Paul stated: "but each one in his own order." "One" meaning each "individual." Which would occur during the church age "until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled"--"then comes the end."

What does that have to do with Hebrews 10:37?

 

[HappyOma]

The doctrines of men called FULL PRETERISM, which wrongly believes Jesus' 2nd coming was already history is a teaching from NUTS, goes directly against the written Bible Scripture, and should ONLY be allowed on a PAGAN forum, because those are the ones behind such a false teaching.

And YET, Hebrews 10:37, which you refuse to honestly deal with, teaches that He DID return in THAT time frame. He was coming, at the time of the writing of the book, "in a very, very little while." And He did.

In Hebrews 9, the writer states the Christ came the FIRST time to "deal with sin" (the Cross) but He would come a 'second time" for salvation. THIS "second time" is what he referred to in Hebrews 10:37. It is a unit. The entire them of the book of Hebrews is CHRIST.

It is not with me or with Preterism what you have a problem--it is with the very words of Scripture.

 

[Davy]

The Matthew 27:52-53 resurrected saints were the 144,000 "First-fruits unto God and the Lamb", raised on that same day that Christ arose. They were the fulfillment of the sheaf handful of barley grain offered in the temple, and Christ was the fulfillment of the single He-Lamb without blemish. Offered together on the same day.

Already, the above shows stupidity in the Scriptures.

The resurrection of some of the saints that happened at the time of Christ's crucifixion could never... be about the 144,000 of Revelation 7.

Reason is, because Revelation 7 is pointing to the very END of this world with the four winds being held back until the 144,000 out of the 12 tribes of Israel still alive on earth are SEALED with God's SEAL.

To put it bluntly, 3 Resurrections is falsely claiming the 144,000 of Rev.7 were already... dead and buried back before the cross! That's just stupid.

 

[HappyOma]

I don't ever... have to worry about rebuking someone like you with the false doctrines you come here pushing. God's written Word is very clearly against the false FULL PRETERIST ideas you have come here trying to push.

God's word teaches FULL PRETERISM. Someday you and all of the name-calling, truth denying manipulators of Scripture will be forced to admit it--either in this life or in the one to come.

 

[Davy]

God's word teaches FULL PRETERISM.

Nope! God's Word DOES NOT TEACH MEN'S FALSE FULL PRETERIST IDEAS.

And it will be YOU that will have to answer to my Lord Jesus Christ for the false doctrines you push against Him and His Word of Truth. So I recommend that you REPENT... and leave those men on that false doctrine you are listening to and heeding.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The doctrines of men called FULL PRETERISM, which wrongly believes Jesus' 2nd coming was already history is a teaching from NUTS, goes directly against the written Bible Scripture, and should ONLY be allowed on a PAGAN forum, because those are the ones behind such a false teaching.

Full Preterism rightly recognizes the correct Scripture that teaches the timing of Christ's second coming return in AD 70. Unfortunately, they do not have the nature of Christ's return identified correctly - which was bodily, and visibly for those who had pierced Him. Also unfortunately, they do not see the fulfillment of the third bodily resurrection in our future. Not a single saint will have their body's mortal remains left to perish in the grave. That is the fate destined for the bodies of the wicked dead - not for the believers. "Not an hair of your head shall perish", Christ told the disciples - even though they would be put to death by martyrdom before He came.

Lord Jesus Christ DID NOT RETURN in 70 A.D.! That is NOWHERE WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN GOD'S WORD!

Yes, He did, just as He promised in Matthew 16:27-28. And in Daniel 12:11-13, if you only were familiar with the record of first-century historical events. Daniel gives us the very day in history this would occur, counting 1,335 days from those two events which we know took place in the summer of AD 66. Do the math. Those of Christ's day did not yet know the day or the hour, because they did not know exactly when those two events Daniel predicted would take place. But we do know now.

And there is NO THIRD COMING by Lord Jesus. That idea is not written either.

Yes, Scripture does present three comings. You just haven't yet realized which passages teach this. Be assured, you and I will not miss the final bodily resurrection event and the judgment in our future which will give rewards to all of God's servants when we stand before the throne and give an account of the things done in this life.

You haven't studied the archaeological proofs in the ground today which give evidence of Christ's second coming and the resurrection in AD 70. I have. The proofs are there that match up with Scripture's predictions. Relax. You and I don't have to face the particular terrors of those "days of vengeance" which were coming on the Jews of Christ's own generation. Revelation's disasters are not for us to face in our future. But we CAN take a warning from what happened beforetime in that first-century generation.

 

[HappyOma]

Nope! God's Word DOES NOT TEACH MEN'S FALSE FULL PRETERIST IDEAS.

And it will be YOU that will have to answer to my Lord Jesus Christ for the false doctrines you push against Him and His Word of Truth. So I recommend that you REPENT... and leave those men on that false doctrine you are listening to and heeding.

There are over ONE HUNDRED time words/statements in the NT that lead to the truths of Preterism. You deny them and twist them and then you falsely accuse those who take them LITERALLY of being teachers of false doctrine.

Hebrews 10:37, which you refuse to take in its clear meaning, is a case in point.

You take the words of our Lord and Savior and twist them to mean something HE DID NOT MEAN. He said, "THIS generattion," Davy, NINETEEN times. In proper hermeneutical approach, one sees that He always used it to mean HIS CONTEMPORIES. ALWAYS. YOU have to "answer" to OUR LORd Jesus Christ "for the false doctrines you push against Him and His Word of Truth."

YOU repent!

"In a VERY, VERY LITTLE WHILE He who IS COMING will COME and will NOT DELAY" (Heb. 10:37). That was written shortly before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans in A. D. 70 (ca 64-69). It means what means.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The resurrection of some of the saints that happened at the time of Christ's crucifixion could never... be about the 144,000 of Revelation 7.

Yes, the Matt. 27:52-53 saints were about the 144,000 First-fruits. The 144,000 "First-fruits" in Rev. 7 & 14 were given that particular title along with "Christ the First-fruits" because they shared the very same "First resurrection" event in AD 33. On the very same day. That can only be the many Matthew 27:52-53 bodily resurrected saints which came out of their broken-open graves, went into Jerusalem, and were seen of many eye-witnesses.

Revelation 14 describes the 144,000, as well as the "sickle" harvest by the newly-crowned Son of Man sitting on a cloud in heaven. This was on His resurrection-day ascension, and is a picture of when "the earth was reaped" of those many Matthew 27:52-53 resurrected saints. Christ the Son of Man did this "sickle" harvesting by Himself on that occasion in Rev. 14. This cannot possibly be describing the second coming resurrection "harvest" because it was going to be the angels at Christ's second coming which would be the "reapers" which gathered the bodily-resurrected saints (Matt. 13:39).

Reason is, because Revelation 7 is pointing to the very END of this world with the four winds being held back until the 144,000 out of the 12 tribes of Israel still alive on earth are SEALED with God's SEAL.

There are not twelve tribes of Israel still existing on earth today, and haven't been since God set up the events in AD 66-70 Jerusalem when the Zealots burned up all Israel's archived records. This also burned up the genealogies of the tribes. God was getting rid of any tribal lineages at that point, because they had already served their purpose before the New Covenant was launched on Christ's resurrection day in AD 33. Paul was already calling those Israelite genealogies "unprofitable and vain", which only engendered unnecessary strife in those days (Titus 3:9).

The 144,000 bodily-resurrected Matt. 27:52-53 "First-fruits" saints were "sealed" as a sign that they were assured of being "caught up in the clouds" together with the rest of the newly-resurrected saints coming out of their graves in AD 70 (as in 1 Thess. 4).

 

[Davy]

OK, so now we KNOW 3 Resurrections and HappyOma are both on man's FALSE FULL PRETERIST doctrines which are against The Word of God and His Christ. MARK them brethren in Christ, for they are here to deceive, and I say that beyond all doubt.

What is PARTIAL PRETERISM then?

Partial Preterism is almost just as dangerous a false doctrine as Full Preterism. One difference is that Partial Preterism still does believe the Bible Scripture about only one more coming of Christ, a 2nd coming which is written, and that it is a bodily coming and when Jesus will gather His Church.

The main problem with Partial Preterism is that it tries to falsely claim that roughly 99.9% of Bible prophecy has already been fulfilled. The word 'preter' where Preterism is derived from, means 'what is past'. And that is what men's seminary doctrines of Preterism does; treats most all Bible prophecy, including Christ's Book of Revelation, as already past history, excepting Christ's future 2nd coming. They still believe that is pending, while the Full Preterists do not.

Also, don't be deceived when Full Preterists claim they really are not Full Preterists, just because Full Preterism believes Jesus' 2nd coming happened back in the days of His Apostles was only a 'spiritual coming'. A Full Preterist is even MORE of a Full Preterist by claiming Jesus' 2nd coming already happened in 70 A.D. and was a BODILY coming!

 

[David in NJ]

It does not "seem delayed." It IS delayed, Behold. "Hope deferred makes the heart sick" (Prov. 13:12).

The writer of Hebrews said "In a VERY, VERY LITTLE WHILE." That meant in their day that His coming would NOT be delayed.

What is the CONTEXT of Habakkuk 2, Behold? This deals with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians. That was 3-5 years off 586 B. C.). Habakkuk was growing impatient for what had been foretold concerning his people, just like the recipients of Peter's letters were as they waited for the Lord's promised return to them (2 Peter 3). God assured Habakkuk that though it might SEEM to be delayed--it would NOT be delayed. The day of the Lord was not delayed in Habakkuk's day and it was not delayed in the day of the writer of Hebrews. He was coming in a "very, very litle while." And He did. How could he have stated it any clearer?

The promised Hope was not delayed = they are in Heaven right now as we speak!!!

 

[3 Resurrections]

Also, don't be deceived when Full Preterists claim they really are not Full Preterists, just because Full Preterism believes Jesus' 2nd coming happened back in the days of His Apostles was only a 'spiritual coming'. A Full Preterist is even MORE of a Full Preterist by claiming Jesus' 2nd coming already happened in 70 A.D. and was a BODILY coming!

Then Christ Himself would be "even MORE of a Full Preterist", if you are determined to slap a label on everything. Christ taught that He would return in the glory of His Father with the angels, to give rewards to everyone according to their works, and this would happen while some of those standing in front of Him were still alive to see that happen before they had physically died. The plain reading of Matthew 16:27-28, without any twisting of the meaning whatever.

I believe Christ and take Him at His word that He did that very thing in His own first-century generation of Jews who were personally listening to Him at that moment. And since Christ Jesus has always retained that same glorified resurrected body which came out of the grave in AD 33, that was the very same body in which Christ returned to the Mount of Olives back then.

You yourself will not be losing a single thing by this having happened back then. You too will eventually share in the very same type of bodily resurrection to immortal and incorruptible life, just like those other bodily resurrection groups experienced in AD 33 and AD 70. What God has accomplished twice before He will repeat for a third time in our own future as well. And the Scriptures bear this out.

What are you so incensed about? That Christ kept His word to those He was speaking to while He was on earth? I fail to understand the source of your anger.

 

[ScottA]

The ENTIRE Book of Hebrews is about CHRIST. The writer states that He came the first time to deal with sin (His Advent) and would come a Second Time for salvation (chapter 9). The subject is CHRIST. THEY were told to not neglect gathering together as THEY saw the "day approaching." That day was the coming of the CHRIST the writer has spend NINE chapters writing about.

HE WHO IS COMING is none other than Christ--whose coming is taught throughout the NT. It is HE who was coming to THEM "in a very, very, little while."

You wrote: Which began at Pentecost, not as all people in mass or by group--as many have believed would occur, but as Paul stated: "but each one in his own order." "One" meaning each "individual." Which would occur during the church age "until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled"--"then comes the end."

What does that have to do with Hebrews 10:37?

The time of Pentecost was "a very little while", "but" He would continue to come to "each (individual) in his own order" during the times of the gentiles, as Paul was an apostle to the gentiles.

 

[HappyOma]

The promised Hope was not delayed = they are in Heaven right now as we speak!!!

The "promised hope" came with the COMING of the LORD to THEM "in a very, very little while" in THEIR day. It's over.

 

[HappyOma]

The time of Pentecost was "a very little while", "but" He would continue to come to "each (individual) in his own order" during the times of the gentiles, as Paul was an apostle to the gentiles.

That is NOT what Hebrews 10:37 says.

Jesus came to His disciples and told them to wait in Jerusalem for the "promise of the Father" (the Holy Spirit). That occurred SHORTLY (a very little while) after His ascension. It was the Day of Pentecost. THEY were to wait for it because it was coming to THEM.

The same time frame is given in Hebrews 10:37 for His RETURN. It was to come to THEM "in a very, very little while." AND IT DID. THAT is the context--the context you refuse to acknowledge but instead, with no justification, create your own. Why? Because you do not like what it CLEARLY teaches--that the Lord was coming back to THEM in THEIR lifetime. That does not fit your preconceived ideas, so you fabricate a false "context." Is that rightly dividing the Word of Truth (2 Tim. 2:15)?

Hebrews 10:37 is CLEAR to anyone who truly wants to know and is willing to accept WHAT IT SAYS.

 

[XtraPercept]

That is NOT exegesis, XtraPercept. What do the actual WORDS of this verse mean--in their context. Why will no one address this? Yes, "His word is a magnificent blessing," BUT we must know what it clearly says in order to be blessed. You are avoiding doing that.

I HAVE sought "its definition." You have not. What is the "definition" of Hebrews 10:37? Stop avoiding.

Does your inability to perceive it negate the presence of truth?

 

[ScottA]

That is NOT what Hebrews 10:37 says.

Jesus came to His disciples and told them to wait in Jerusalem for the "promise of the Father" (the Holy Spirit). That occurred SHORTLY (a very little while) after His ascension. It was the Day of Pentecost. THEY were to wait for it because it was coming to THEM.

The same time frame is given in Hebrews 10:37 for His RETURN. It was to come to THEM "in a very, very little while." AND IT DID. THAT is the context--the context you refuse to acknowledge but instead, with no justification, create your own. Why? Because you do not like what it CLEARLY teaches--that the Lord was coming back to THEM in THEIR lifetime. That does not fit your preconceived ideas, so you fabricate a false "context." Is that rightly dividing the Word of Truth (2 Tim. 2:15)?

Hebrews 10:37 is CLEAR to anyone who truly wants to know and is willing to accept WHAT IT SAYS.

You asked for a stone, and I gave you bread.

Yes, it came to them, but I have not refused to acknowledge that context. It is you who have not acknowledged the greater context that involves the whole body even to the end of the church age, of which the lesser context to us was a foreshadowing of firstfruits. And if you do not like what is clearly the greater truth of all scripture--what shall be said of you--that which you have said of me? As for rightly dividing the word of truth, you show yourself dividing out just what you prefer, and as much as denying the rest.

I say again, what shall be said of you?

 

[grafted branch]

You asked for a stone, and I gave you bread.

Yea, but what kind of leaven is in your bread? Every one of us can claim we have the truth given to us by the Holy Spirit yet there probably aren’t two people on the planet that completely agree on every single verse.

Why should we think your (exegete) method of determining what has been fulfilled or not fulfilled is more accurate than someone else’s?

 

[HappyOma]

Does your inability to perceive it negate the presence of truth?

Again, diversion. You don't like what Hebrews 10:37 CLEARLY states, so you avoid it. Your "inability to perceive it" does NOT "negate the
presence of truth."

 

[HappyOma]

You asked for a stone, and I gave you bread.

Yes, it came to them, but I have not refused to acknowledge that context. It is you who have not acknowledged the greater context that involves the whole body even to the end of the church age, of which the lesser context to us was a foreshadowing of firstfruits. And if you do not like what is clearly the greater truth of all scripture--what shall be said of you--that which you have said of me? As for rightly dividing the word of truth, you show yourself dividing out just what you prefer, and as much as denying the rest.

I say again, what shall be said of you?

SCRIPTURE!!!!! I will deal only with Scripture. You keep throwing out your conjectures without scriptural support. I have no time for that. "Greater context that involves the whole body"??????? "End of the Church age"??????? "Foreshadowing of firstfruits"????????? "The greater truth of all scripture"????????

Here's rightly dividing the Word of Truth--

"In a VERY, VERY LITTLE WHILE He who IS COMING will COME and will NOT DELAY" (Heb. 10:37). The writer is cleary and without ANY ambiguity stating that in HIS day, the Lord was coming and would NOT DELAY! It is YOU who "divide out what you prefer." Don't accuse others of what you are guilty.