Limited atonement is a false gospel

[Dan Clarkston]

God has never altered His plan?

Has He never said one thing then said something different later.

God Himself doesn't change, but He does alter what He wants us to do.

Did God command His people, Do not kill.
Then command the same people, go kill everyone, men, women and children?

You have the door open to being deceived... enjoy.

No, God's plan has never changed. It was not His will for Adam and Eve to sin.

Contingency plans are not God changing His Will, but rather His mercy because He wanted man to have opportunity to be saved.

In the end God's original plan will be in place which is those that desire to be with Him set themselves apart unto Him and all others will be in hell.

 

[soberxp]

God has never altered His plan?

Has He never said one thing then said something different later.

God Himself doesn't change, but He does alter what He wants us to do.

Did God command His people, Do not kill.
Then command the same people, go kill everyone, men, women and children?

No, in the Old Testament God only ordered the killing of those who stood in his way of the Gospel plan. God did not say to kill everyone except Israel. And God has no new command about massacring a certain race.


God command do not kill and command to kill someone, it is all command of God.obey it and no sin.


That is the wrong illusion that modern Israel gives people, as if God commanded them to kill anyone.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

And God did engage in self defense due to satan causing people to continually try to murder all Jews, so what modern day Israel is doing is self defense which is not sinful.

If the muzlims would just leave Israel alone there would not be any problems, but they just can't do that because their god satan commands them to murder all Jews

So, it's the muzlims fault that are getting whacked, not Israel's

 

[soberxp]

And God did engage in self defense due to satan causing people to continually try to murder all Jews, so what modern day Israel is doing is self defense which is not sinful.

If the muzlims would just leave Israel alone there would not be any problems, but they just can't do that because their god satan commands them to murder all Jews

So, it's the muzlims fault that are getting whacked, not Israel's

Historical nihilism.
If the Muslims did kill all the Jews, how did the first Jews settle in Palestine?


BTW,kill all Jews did not wrote in Quran.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If the Muslims did kill all the Jews, how did the first Jews settle in Palestine?

I never said the muzlims killed all the Jews.

I was referring to the fact that the muzlims continually try to kill all the Jews as their father the devil has instructed them to do so they are always stirring things up with the Jews

You have reading comprehension issues.

BTW,kill all Jews did not wrote in Quran.

You are ignorant of the teachings of the muzlim religion.

 

[soberxp]

I never said the muzlims killed all the Jews.

I was referring to the fact that the muzlims continually try to kill all the Jews as their father the devil has instructed them to do so they are always stirring things up with the Jews

You have reading comprehension issues.






You are ignorant of the teachings of the muzlim religion.

Yes, I am ignorant of the teachings of the muzlim religion.

I read the Quran and found that the doctrines I understood were different from theirs.

Has God commanded the killing of all Muslims?

If not, is it considered a crime or sin?

 

[One 2 question]

No, God's plan has never changed. It was not His will for Adam and Eve to sin.

Just to clarify, I was refering to Moses and Joshua.

God told Joshua, kill all the inhabitants of Jericho.

40 years earlier, God wrote down, do not kill.

BTW, if you were Caleb, which one would you obey? It is spoken or it is written?

 

[One 2 question]

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Contingency plans are not God changing His Will, but rather His mercy because He wanted man to have opportunity to be saved.

Do you mean like in the case of Nineveh when God was going to kill them all, but showed mercy when they eventually repented?

 

[One 2 question]

In the end God's original plan will be in place which is those that desire to be with Him set themselves apart unto Him and all others will be in hell.

Yes, God and His creation working together to bring about God's desired outcome. His glory. His pleasure.

 

[One 2 question]

You have the door open to being deceived... enjoy.

My door is open to release whatever the Spirit is communicating to others.

I'm not interested in what my enemy has to say. As Jesus said, His sheep don't listen to strangers, we run from them.

 

[One 2 question]

No, God's plan has never changed. It was not His will for Adam and Eve to sin.

It certainly was God's plan for A & E to eat of the tree of the knowledge of G & E once they carried out God's mandate to fill the earth and have dominion over the animals.

Or was it?

Or was the opportunity to disobey God's original command going to stand forever?

Like saying to a child, I've served up both your main course and dessert. But you must not have your dessert until you finish your main course.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Or was the opportunity to disobey God's original command going to stand forever?

See the door you opened to the devil deceived you in to believing God actually wanted Adam and Eve to experience evil and rebel against Him.

More deception is coming your way since you have the door open and you don't even know it. Amazing!

 

[Ezra]

Judas is one of the Twelve

judas was never saved

 

[Ezra]

It certainly was God's plan for A & E to eat of the tree of the knowledge of G & E once they carried out God's mandate to fill the earth and have dominion over the animals.

it was suppose you provide scripture to back that up ? your spreading strange fire

 

[amigo de christo]

judas was never saved

And JESUS HIMSELF proves this .
JESUS knew exactly what judas was from the beginning .
I have chosen you
and yet one of you is a devil . YOU are CORRECT my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

it was suppose you provide scripture to back that up ? your spreading strange fire

And strange fire is deadly . man it burned up TWO of arraons own sons .
Too many are behaving as though the fault of man , WHOM GOD WARNED NOT TO EAT of the TREE ,
is somehow THE RESPONSBILITY of GOD .
GOD warned . it was man who did not heed .

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 12:3
[3]For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

to every man that is among you, refers to the believing, the church.
No every single man.
Unbelievers have not been granted faith or they would be believers.

Don't go beyond what is written. Read with the right understanding, or you are going to be a doctrinal mess, just like many others.

 

[MatthewG]

Yep. Atonement was made for all people in the world when Jesus gave up his life for Yahavah and the world, in order for the world to be reconciled to Yahavah which was like it was in the garden of Eden.

Whether a person chooses to accept this is up to them, their sins have been paid for. Some people reject Yahavah, and apparently he has made a place for those who did not desire him.

They are perhaps outside of the gates of the Heavenly Kongdom, as per the Apostolic record concerning revelation.

 

[David Lamb]

Yep. Atonement was made for all people in the world when Jesus gave up his life for Yahavah and the world, in order for the world to be reconciled to Yahavah which was like it was in the garden of Eden.

Whether a person chooses to accept this is up to them, their sins have been paid for. Some people reject Yahavah, and apparently he has made a place for those who did not desire him.

They are perhaps outside of the gates of the Heavenly Kongdom, as per the Apostolic record concerning revelation.

If Christ made atonement for all people, then you have to believe that He made atonement for those who end up in hell. That doesn't fit with what Jesus Himself said:

““All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)

Nor does it fit with the prophecy concerning Him and His sacrificial work:

“He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.” (Isa 53:11 NKJV)

How could He be satisfied with the labour of His soul if just one sinner for whom He died ended up in hell?

 

[MatthewG]

If Christ made atonement for all people, then you have to believe that He made atonement for those who end up in hell. That doesn't fit with what Jesus Himself said:

““All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)

Nor does it fit with the prophecy concerning Him and His sacrificial work:

“He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.” (Isa 53:11 NKJV)

How could He be satisfied with the labour of His soul if just one sinner for whom He died ended up in hell?

Hell is done and over with according to the Bible, and Jesus paid for all sins of all people.

It’s either yes or no.

Those whom were poured out of hell had enough time to think and repent if they so done so…

All hell was is a separation from being with Yahavah, though even Yahavah is said to be omnipresent, so who knows if he was calling even to those whom died previously, and where kept in that separation.

Hell itself had two compartments and it was sin that kept people from Yahavah, though even so, it was faith that brought people into Abraham’s bosom or Paradise as they say.

I believe Jesus went to hell too. He went and preached a message too those that were in the lower parts of it.