Lucifer, the Morning Star

[bbyrd009]

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Doubtlessly much to the chagrin of fans, Lucifer is not a personal name and it certainly is not the personal name of the devil..."

"What also may have helped to suggest that Lucifer was a personal name, and particularly of the devil, was a tradition that Pliny the Elder talks about in his Natural History. Pliny laments how in his day and age all food and goods had to be marked, labeled and locked up to prevent pilfering throngs of nameless slaves from purloining them.

Back in the old days, relative to Pliny's first century AD, people had only one slave, and that slave had a name derived from his master's plus the word puer, meaning child or in this case servant. A slave of Marcus would thus be called Marcipor, and a slave of Lucius would thus be called Lucipor, or Servant Of The Light (Hist.33.6)..." The amazing name Lucifer: meaning and etymology

 

[bbyrd009]

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The original Hebrew text of Isaiah speaks of הילל (helel), which scholars generally derive from the verb הלל (halal), meaning to shine or radiate. Here at Abarim Publications, however, we're not so sure about that and see more in the verb ילל (yalal), meaning to wail (see for a full discussion of this our article on the "name" Helel). But whether Isaiah spoke of radiating or wailing, when the Greek Septuagint was being written, the authors decided to spice Isaiah's statement up a bit, and turned הילל (helel) into εωσφορος (eosphoros). This epithet consists of (1) an unusual variety of the noun ηως, meaning dawn (or even the personal name Ηως, which belongs to the deity Eos or Aurora) and (2) the verb φορω(phoreo) meaning to bear or bring...

The authors of the Septuagint hadn't made up the title εωσφορος (eosphoros), because it existed at least since the time of Homer, and was used as an epithet for the Morning Star, now known as Venus, and then also known as φωσφορος(phosphoros, or phos + phoros = light bringing) as used in 2 Peter 1:19...

When Jerome translated the Septuagint, he turned the Greek εωσφορος (eosphoros) into lucifer, which was an existing adjective meaning light-bringing and also the Latin name for the Morning Star." ibid

 

[Helen]

I agree. I do not believe it was/is Satan.
That is just a convenient theory...but in checking it out, it doesn't hold water at all.

It might just as easily have been Adam that was spoken about. It fits even better than satan.
But nothing is satisfying to me.

We really need 101G on this one...but he never checks in here any more. @ScottA may have an opinion...

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I agree. I do not believe it was/is Satan.
That is just a convenient theory...but in checking it out, it doesn't hold water at all.

It might just as easily have been Adam that was spoken about. It fits even better than satan.
But nothing is satisfying to me.

We really need 101G on this one...but he never checks in here any more. @ScottA may have an opinion...

Even though the wording in Isaiah could represent the King of Babylon, in prophecy there can be more than one meaning, as in foreshadows. I have no problem with assigning Lucifer to Satan, just as Antiochus Epiphanes IV is a foreshadow of Nero, but also the coming Antichrist.

 

[amadeus]

This is like so many beliefs held commonly by groups of people or churches. You twist it one way and that becomes a new revelation of truth or...? You add to that another one also twisted to one side and you have a whole new doctrine or even a denomination. Anywhere along this pathway at each twist, or correction, if you will, you may easily have added another or even several other denominations. It is hard or apparently even impossible for many to go back and start at the bottom with nothing and let God build you up as He will.

Lucifer is not a devil and the devil is not satan and all of them or none of them is a particular entity or group of entities. Me, am I not nothing at all without Him?

Where do we go from here? On this and really with everything should we should not go back to nothing or to the lowest place? What was it Jesus said?

"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:8-11

How low can we go? How low is the bottom?