Luckily for you there's no hell:
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Dropship
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We shouldn't waste our time on them if they go on being bozos..:)
Jesus said:-"If any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them" (Mark 6:11)
Dropship
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Both..:)
Drunks and druggies and other assorted deadheads care about zilch except themselves.
Ronald David Bruno
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We don't know who the reprobates are, so we must love all people even our enemies - a difficult task to do. We love them, spread the gospel and plead with and pray for them to receive the Lord. But we do so up to a point and if they do not listen and reject Jesus, then we are to wipe the dust off our sandals and move on.
So I would say at that point on, ignoring them is implied, actually "forgeting them" comes to mind ... we must, especially if they will be thrown in the Lake of Fire and destroyed.
Hmm. Looks like to me that your God is shaking off every Christian nation on earth: Soon you'll all be on the streets with all the ones you love.
Ronald David Bruno
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Since you claim to be an agnostic, your knowledge of my God is little and so everything about who He is, is superficial and therefore mysterious and uncertain.
Faith comes by the Word. So approach God in humility, pray and ask for Him to reveal Himself to you. Prayer is just talking to God. Something simple like, "God, I don't believe in you because I don't know you. If you are real, show me.
I am willing to open the door of my heart and invite you in, read your Word, so please enlighten me." Amen (so let it be).
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Thank God that Jesus Christ had victory over hell.
People have free choice. Many have false perceptions. Many come to learn. Some even fall away.
Jesus Christ blood had covered all of the sins of the world, his resurrection brings forth new life from God.
People have free choice. Many have false perceptions. Many come to learn. Some even fall away.
Jesus Christ blood had covered all of the sins of the world, his resurrection brings forth new life from God.
I don't ignore the people on the streets. And many others don't as well. And yes there is a hell.
Our creator is what we simply term nature. I wouldn't think we can speak to the thing that created nature. It's not that it wouldn't understand us it's just that any God that creates realities wouldn't require one for it's existence.
Jesus was a Jew, so why would he be teaching there is a hell?
Taken
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What people on what streets? There are a few people on my road, they drive by I wave, they wave.
What are you talking about?
The bible mentions it and so does Jesus as recorded in the bible. But that typically is not the message I have for people that aren't of the faith.
The typical message is that of the Love God has for us and the peace and rest in the life to come for believers. Paradise awaits those that believe in Jesus and God.
Aunty Jane
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Good point. It is understanding what “hell” actually is from the Jewish perspective that gives us the correct understanding.
There are several words translated “Hell” in our English Bibles, and it is the misinterpretation of these words that allowed Christendom (starting with the RCC) to use them as a fear mongering weapon to frighten ignorant people into submission. They kept them in ignorance by forbidding them to read the Creator’s instruction manual, and no one was allowed to question what “the church” taught to its hapless congregants who were herded like sheep into a maze of false and often frightening beliefs.
First we have “hades” which according to Jewish belief was “Sheol”...or simply the common grave. There was no one alive in Sheol (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10).....it was the place where the dead “slept” (figuratively speaking) until the promised “resurrection” (or restoration of life) which was to take place under Messiah’s Kingdom. Jesus demonstrated the resurrection on a number of occasions, by restoring the dead to life.
Another word Jesus used was “Gehenna” but it was also translated as “hell”....this is not a place of conscious torture either. The city of Jerusalem had a garbage dump outside it’s walls, where the city’s refuse was burned by fire that never went out; it was kept constantly burning by the addition of brimstone (Sulfur) so that whatever was thrown into the fire was completely destroyed. The carcasses of dead animals as well as the bodies of executed criminals were thrown into Gehenna for disposal. What the flames missed, the maggots finished off, hence the description of what happens to those in Gehenna.....‘the flames never cease and the maggots (worms) never die’.
To a Jew, no grave or tomb meant not being remembered by God in the resurrection. There was no tomb out of which to call them. (John 5:28-29)
Gehenna is also called “the lake of fire” in Revelation. It just means “the second death”.....eternal death. The first death is the one that overtakes us all, but Jesus promised that this death was not permanent. He showed his disciples what resurrection meant by restoring the dead to life. This was to take place under the rulership of his Kingdom.
The future resurrection will give the ignorant dead time to learn about their Creator and to decide for themselves if they wish to serve his interests here on this earth......their conduct will determine whether they will be allowed to remain or whether they will be dispatched to the “lake of fire” to be utterly destroyed....the “second death” holds no possibility of future life. Unlike Sheol, what goes into that figurative “lake”, never comes out.
So it is indeed good news that there is no “hell” where conscious souls are tormented forever. What kind of a loving God would do that?
As for the people on the streets, we can put the blame for their plight squarely on the shoulders of inept politicians. The commercial system is only one of the controlling elements of the devil’s world, which creates the circumstances in which people have to live.....driven by greed, it does not care about people, only the money to be made by exploiting them. Many of the homeless are victims of that system and it is a sad reflection on the priorities of worldly governments that they always have the means to take lives, ploughing endless funding into expensive weaponry and their military might, but not to save the lives that are already at immediate risk. The homeless problem is caused by the greedy minority exploiting the needy majority. No one works harder than the hungry....but it is so bad in many places now that homelessness is basically an epidemic, sweeping formerly wealthy nations whose citizens are forced to live in third world poverty. Can we blame them for giving up and turning to substance abuse to blot out their misery?
The powers that rule this world, know how we got here.....but they will not sacrifice their profits to save lives. They serve their own master. (1 John 5:19)
Ronald David Bruno
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Dropship
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But then I've been brought into the light many years ago. I've already decided that light was my home. So my choice was made on that day, and I'll return there when my life here is finished.
Taken
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