Mark of the Beast or Mark of Yah?

[Arnie Manitoba]

My standard bible contains about 900 pages total.
The Mark is mentioned in only 7 sentences in Revelation .

Not to be critical .... but I would first need some convincing that reading the 2500 pages of the mark-blog would be beneficial.

If someone does read the full mark-blog I would appreciate hearing the highlights in the future.

I acknowledge that the bible states "wisdom" can assist in interpret the mark ..... but to me wisdom is usually brief and to the point.

Thank you
Arnie M

 

[dragonfly]

My standard bible contains about 900 pages total.
The Mark is mentioned in only 7 sentences in Revelation .

Not to be critical .... but I would first need some convincing that reading the 2500 pages of the mark-blog would be beneficial.

If someone does read the full mark-blog I would appreciate hearing the highlights in the future.

I acknowledge that the bible states "wisdom" can assist in interpret the mark ..... but to me wisdom is usually brief and to the point.

Thank you
Arnie M

Point taken. I think he is referring to screen pages, and digs around words quite intensely both in Hebrew and Greek, and explains the way he sees the connections. That's what takes up the space. I will definitely try to post what I learn. Thank you for having read the Summation.

 

[Axehead]

Hi Dragonfly,

I do intend to read that long dissertation, myself. I am fascinated by the subject because I can see this from Genesis to Revelation.

The apostle John explained that it was obvious that there are “children of God” and “children of the devil” (I John 3:10). The apostle Paul differentiated between “sons of disobedience” (Eph. 2:2; 5:6) and “sons of God” (Rom. 8:14) “through faith in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:26). He also referred to those identified as “slaves of sin” (Rom. 6:6) and “slaves of righteousness” (Rom. 6:18). These identifications are based on an individual’s spiritual identity in conjunction with the spirit of God or Satan.

Sin has a spiritual source just as righteousness has a spiritual source.

Man has been made a receptive creature and thus must receive from a spiritual source. He cannot stand alone and apart from Satan or God as an independent self. That is the lie of New Age beliefs, which have infiltrated Evangelicalism (thus called Evangelical Humanism).

The deepest foundation for identity is spiritual. We are marked by the one that we receive from (Satan or God).

Since there is no intrinsic function or capability in the human spirit, our spiritual identity must be derived from another, from a spirit source in either God or Satan. God has a Self-existent identity – He is Who He is, in Himself. Man has a derived identity – derived from the presence of either the “spirit of truth” or the “spirit of error” (I John 4:6) – derived from either the spirit of the god of this world (I Cor. 2:12; II Cor. 4:4) or the Spirit of God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ( I Cor. 2:12). Man’s identity will be aligned either with “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that works in the sons of disobedience” (Eph. 2:2), or the Spirit of God that dwells in receptive Christians (Rom. 8:9,11; Gal. 4:6).

Now, you can understand why even though "mark" may only be mentioned 7 times in Revelation, it has been taking place since Genesis.

Cain had the Mark of Satan (Beast). He refused the mark of Yah, (refused His words) and decided in his heart to listen to and receive the word (whispers) of Satan instead.

Who you listen to and receive from is whose mark you receive.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (If you don't receive Jesus, then you are abiding in Satan. There is not a third choice and thus you have his "mark" on you).

I think this will be a fascinating study as it will touch on many subjects. I think we should not be frazzled if it takes many rabbit trails because this thread will be discussing the source of all things spiritual, whether from God or Satan.

Axehead

 

[revturmoil]

My standard bible contains about 900 pages total.
The Mark is mentioned in only 7 sentences in Revelation .

Not to be critical .... but I would first need some convincing that reading the 2500 pages of the mark-blog would be beneficial.

If someone does read the full mark-blog I would appreciate hearing the highlights in the future.

I acknowledge that the bible states "wisdom" can assist in interpret the mark ..... but to me wisdom is usually brief and to the point.

Thank you
Arnie M

Not to be critical but I found 8. Nine including the 666 in Rev.13:18
Rev. 20:4
Rev.19:20
Rev. 16:2
Rev. 15:2
Rev.14:11
Rev. 14:9
Rev.13:17
Rev.13:16

 

[Axehead]

Not to be critical but I found 8. Nine including the 666 in Rev.13:18
Rev. 20:4
Rev.19:20
Rev. 16:2
Rev. 15:2
Rev.14:11
Rev. 14:9
Rev.13:17
Rev.13:16

I wonder how many occurrences we would find of people deriving their spiritual identity from Satan in the Bible. Many, many, I would think.

Axehead

 

[dragonfly]

I think we should not be frazzled if it takes many rabbit trails because this thread will be discussing the source of all things spiritual, whether from God or Satan.

Well, whenever I think of 'the mark', I remember Ezekiel 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

Only those who were mourning over sin were going to be spared from the slaughter of those who were not mourning.

To me, this is one of the biggest clues to God's heart - the victory over sin wrought for us by the death of Jesus Christ.

Christians have to appropriate that victory into their own lives in fact, if God is going to be able to see His 'mark' in our foreheads.

 

[revturmoil]

This is from Thayer's...

A mark is a stamp. an imprinted mark: of the mark stamped on the forehead or right hand as a badge of the followers of the anti-christ.

Remember the zebiba I mentioned?
And Strong's...
5480.
charagma khar'-ag-mah from the same as 5482;
a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue):--graven, mark.

I see this mark solely attributed to the followers of the anti-christ.

There are 21 words for 'mark' in the NT.

The 8 verses I mentioned in Revelation use # 5480 and are the only places the word 'charagma' are used in the NT.

People can make up as many marks as they want but it would take a lot to convince me that the mark or 666 can be applied to anything other than the followers of the beast!

There are 27 places where the word mark is used in the OT. I looked at them and not one of them apply to the followers of the beast!
http://www.eliyah.co...on&isindex=mark

 

[dragonfly]

The thesis of littleguyintheeye is, that the evil is a counterfeit of the true, because Lucifer wants to be 'as God'.

So, the true always starts with God and who He is, His power and Godhead. This is what Lucifer wants to copy, to draw people away from truth.


Therefore, I am open to find 666 on both sides, with similar meanings, but one being eternal truth and the other being temporal and false.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Not to be critical but I found 8. Nine including the 666 in Rev.13:18
Rev. 20:4
Rev.19:20
Rev. 16:2
Rev. 15:2
Rev.14:11
Rev. 14:9
Rev.13:17
Rev.13:16

Acknowledged ... thank you.

Point taken. I think he is referring to screen pages, and digs around words quite intensely both in Hebrew and Greek, and explains the way he sees the connections. That's what takes up the space. I will definitely try to post what I learn. Thank you for having read the Summation.

Much appreciated ,,, thanks .... I look forward to what you learn as you go thru it.

I have read endless speculation on the meaning of "the mark" .... some has merit ... some has none .... yet I feel it a healthy exercise to look at all the possibilities so we do not get caught by surprise.

Maybe later I will give some insight into how my bank forced me to change to a chip-embedded debit card ......... "if I wanted to buy a burger and fries at my local Dairy Queen. .... scary stuff happening in modern day.

 

[revturmoil]

Acknowledged ... thank you.



Much appreciated ,,, thanks .... I look forward to what you learn as you go thru it.

I have read endless speculation on the meaning of "the mark" .... some has merit ... some has none .... yet I feel it a healthy exercise to look at all the possibilities so we do not get caught by surprise.

Maybe later I will give some insight into how my bank forced me to change to a chip-embedded debit card ......... "if I wanted to buy a burger and fries at my local Dairy Queen. .... scary stuff happening in modern day.

All I can say in a quick reply is look at the evil ambitions of Islam and consider the apostasy that is currently taking place in the Arab world. I think a power struggle is coming and the devil and his religion is in the middle of it. I think a few different coalitions of nations will emerge for dominance of the region. There will never be a one world government or one world religion. I call the revolts and rebellion in that region the prophecied apostasy. It is prime fuel for the fulfillment of many prophecies. The protesters in the entire Arab world want a caliphate with no borders and one currency. And just think. Terrorism and economic collapse is a whole other problem.
Daniel 7 may be the prophecy we should be studying now as well as many of the other prophecies that forthtold the end that we seldom talk about..

Think about it...

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Therefore, I am open to find 666 on both sides, with similar meanings, but one being eternal truth and the other being temporal and false.

That is thought provoking ....
At first glance I would tend to agree
God certainly has "marked His own people" in the past .... and Satan wants to "mark his own people" in the future
Interesting concept worthy of more thought

 

[dragonfly]

Beloved, this is going to be slow work as there are so many cross references, and these are hyperlinks. I cannot direct you to a number on a page.

I'm not going to try to explain what I'm reading, tonight. I'm just going to quote the parts I've come to, which seem to me to connect.

From the very start of ch 5, The Cross

"Col 2:15 having stripped the rulers and the authorities, He made a show of them in public, triumphing over them in it. "

My comment: The reference above is the antedote to the fact that the cross 'mark' was taken into and passed down the mystery religions, an authority* on which, is quoted in ch 1.
"2Co 5:21 For He made the One who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

The word mark comes from the Hebrew word Tav


Eze 9:4 And YHWH said to him, Pass through in the midst of the city, in the midst of Jerusalem, and mark (tavah) a mark (tav) on the foreheads of the men who are groaning and are mourning over all the abominations that are done in her midst.

The above verse is speaking of the mark of YHWH which is put on the righteous. The mark of the beast is a direct counterfeit of this markclick here.

The Hebrew letter tav is a picture of two crossed sticks:

It’s meaning is covenant. The mark of YHWH is His covenant which is His Word (Isaiah 42:6; 49:8; Zechariah 9:11; Jeremiah 31:31; Matthew 26:28). The mark of the beast is a counterfeit, the covenant with death (Isaiah 28:15).

1Co 1:18 For the Word of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God.

Believers look to the Word of the cross. The Word of the covenant. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of Elohim (Romans 10:17). Not by vision, not of images & symbols (2 Corinthians 5:7).

The covenant with YHWH is His Word which was cut with Abraham at Passover (Genesis 15) and eternally solidified at Passover when Messiah hung on the tree. The ‘covenant’ with the adversary was ‘cut’ in Genesis 3 at the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the ‘agreement’ of ‘ye shall not die’ was passed down through the ages via the mystery religions and was represented by the image of the cross... " * next in the text.

Another interesting connection to the mark of the beast seen through the Hebrew word for cross (צלב) is when one breaks down the meaning of the letters. As seen above, צב, means the side of the tent, a standing wall, an enclosure of a camp. The middle letter of צלב is lamed which has the meaning of a shepherd. There are two shepherds in the Scriptures. The Good Shepherd (John 10:11) who lays down His life for the sheep and the idol shepherd who abandons the flock (Zechariah 11:17).
The Cross & the Name

In the wilderness Yisrael was healed through looking upon the serpent on a pole. This was a figure of being saved through ‘looking’ upon the Messiah on the cross/tree.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of bronze and put it on a pole; and it happened, if a serpent had bitten any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.
Joh 3:14 And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Exo 14:13 And Moses said to the people, Do not be afraid. Take your stand and see the salvation of YHWH, which He will prepare for you today. For as you see the Egyptians today, you shall not continue to see them again forever.
Luk 3:6 “and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.” Isaiah 40:3-5
Isa 52:10 YHWH has bared His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
How was His arm revealed? On the cross.
Isa 53:1 Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of YHWH revealed?
Gen 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place YHWH Will See; so that it is said until this day, In the mount of YHWH it will be seen.
Gen 22:14 ויקרא אברהם שׁם־המקום ההוא יהוה יראה אשׁר יאמר היום בהר יהוה יראה*׃

*Literally, in/on the mountain YHWH will be seen.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham leaped for joy that he should see My day, and he saw, and rejoiced.
Joh 8:57 Then the Jews said to Him, You do not yet have fifty years, and have You seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came to be, I AM!



On the mountain YHWH will be seen. Yerah’eh is in the Niphal stem 3rd person masculine singular future tense. Truly YHWH will provide HIMSELF as a lamb in the place of Isaac (mankind).

Gen 22:7 And Isaac spoke to his father Abraham and said, My father. And he said, Behold me. And he said, Behold, the fire and the wood! But where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will see to the lamb for Himself, for a burnt offering. And the two of them went together.

הר האלהים (the Mountain of Elohim) has the gematria of 296. This is equivalent to לאור גוים (For a light of the nations). This links the Messiah on the cross on the Mountain of Elohim to Light which points to the Menorah. This will be seen in more detail below..."


From ch 1 The Mark of the Beast

"The word mark comes from the Hebrew word Tav

Eze 9:4 And YHWH said to him, Pass through in the midst of the city, in the midst of Jerusalem, and mark (tavah) a mark (tav) on the foreheads of the men who are groaning and are mourning over all the abominations that are done in her midst.
The above verse is speaking of the mark of YHWH which is put on the righteous. The mark of the beast is a direct counterfeit of this mark click here. (<= this link in ch 1 leads to ch 5 The Cross)

The root word for mark is a picture of an ox plowing toward a mark. In ancient Hebrew thought, Elohim was seen as the strong ox that we are yoked with in covenant relationship. The word for mark is a picture of walking with your Elohim toward your mark/goal (Philippians 3:14). Walking with Messiah (Mat 11:29) towards the Kingdom of Heaven or walking with the adversary towards sheol. This is what Shaul was alluding to in his letter to the Corinthians.

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what fellowship does light have with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are a temple of the living God, even as God said, “I will” dwell in them and “walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” Lev. 26:12; Ezek. 37:27
2Co 6:17 Because of this, “come out from among them” “and be separated,” says the Lord, “and do not touch the unclean thing,” and I will receive you. Isa. 52:11
2Co 6:18 “And I will be a Father to you, and you will be sons” and daughters to Me, says the Lord Almighty. 2 Sam. 7:8, 14; Isa. 43:6

The letter ת ‘tav’ in pictograph form is two crossed sticks which has the meaning of a covenant. We can choose the covenant of Life in Messiah Yahshua (Isaiah 42:6; 49:8; Zechariah 9:11; Jeremiah 31:31; Matthew 26:28) or we can choose the covenant of death (Isaiah 28:15) which promises deliverance from death (ie the tree of life) but in reality leads to hell."


My comment:
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him]. 28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

For a discussion of this quote (from above), 'On the mountain YHWH will be seen. Yerah’eh is in the Niphal stem 3rd person masculine singular future tense. Truly YHWH will provide HIMSELF as a lamb in the place of Isaac (mankind)', consider that the whole of John 8 takes place in the Temple, which was on Mount Moriah, where Abraham had taken Isaac in obedience to God. There is a parallel between Abraham and Isaac, and the Father sacrificing His Son there.

From Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called', we also see our own deaths in Christ, prefigured, just as He prefigured His own, by being baptised in water.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

All I can say in a quick reply is look at the evil ambitions of Islam and consider the apostasy that is currently taking place in the Arab world. I think a power struggle is coming and the devil and his religion is in the middle of it. I think a few different coalitions of nations will emerge for dominance of the region. There will never be a one world government or one world religion. I call the revolts and rebellion in that region the prophecied apostasy. It is prime fuel for the fulfillment of many prophecies. The protesters in the entire Arab world want a caliphate with no borders and one currency. And just think. Terrorism and economic collapse is a whole other problem.
Daniel 7 may be the prophecy we should be studying now as well as many of the other prophecies that forthtold the end that we seldom talk about..

Think about it...

You may very well be correct .... I had pretty much come to the same conclusion ..... that the Whole Beast-false prophet scheme may be birthed in Islam

Some of the reasons I feel this could be a possibility is that much (most?) of Islam awaits the Imam ... a type of Islamic Messiah .... when he appears he will have an automatic huge following and will create a religious fervor among his followers.

And we can observe (secular) world opinion is increasingly trying to appease and accommodate Islam .... yet it is open season to bash the Christian and Israel.

 

[dragonfly]

You may very well be correct .... I had pretty much come to the same conclusion ..... that the Whole Beast-false prophet scheme may be birthed in Islam

Some of the reasons I feel this could be a possibility is that much (most?) of Islam awaits the Imam ... a type of Islamic Messiah .... when he appears he will have an automatic huge following and will create a religious fervor among his followers.

And we can observe (secular) world opinion is increasingly trying to appease and accommodate Islam .... yet it is open season to bash the Christian and Israel.

This is one reason that I, personally, don't see the building of a temple at Bethel as necessary for our Lord's return. There is an Islamic symbol right in the middle of the original site of the Temple. It is the obvious place for a false messiah to appear. And it's also a more obvious place for the Lord to return to.

After He rose from the dead, He stood on the Mount of Olives and He ascended from the Mount of Olives. There is much symbolism in that, just prior to Pentecost; and that He had worn the crown of thorns (Sinai means thorny) - Hebrews 10:22 - and that the nickname for the Mount of Olives after Solomon had used it as a high place to sacrifice to other gods, was 'the mount of corruption' (2 Kings 23); the parallels between the giving of the law at Sinai, and the pouring out of the oil of the Holy Spirit in Jerusalem - the nearest high place (head) being the Mount of Olives; the opening of the fount of living water in Zion - Zion means parched, and also refers to the neediness of all His people. I believe the Lord has fulfilled the prophecy in Zechariah 14, and that as much as 'the Lord shall suddenly come to His temple' applies to us when we receive the Holy Spirit, it may also apply to His second return.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[Axehead]

This is one reason that I, personally, don't see the building of a temple at Bethel as necessary for our Lord's return. There is an Islamic symbol right in the middle of the original site of the Temple. It is the obvious place for a false messiah to appear. And it's also a more obvious place for the Lord to return to.

After He rose from the dead, He stood on the Mount of Olives and He ascended from the Mount of Olives. There is much symbolism in that, just prior to Pentecost; and that He had worn the crown of thorns (Sinai means thorny) - Hebrews 10:22 - and that the nickname for the Mount of Olives after Solomon had used it as a high place to sacrifice to other gods, was 'the mount of corruption' (2 Kings 23); the parallels between the giving of the law at Sinai, and the pouring out of the oil of the Holy Spirit in Jerusalem - the nearest high place (head) being the Mount of Olives; the opening of the fount of living water in Zion - Zion means parched, and also refers to the neediness of all His people. I believe the Lord has fulfilled the prophecy in Zechariah 14, and that as much as 'the Lord shall suddenly come to His temple' applies to us when we receive the Holy Spirit, it may also apply to His second return.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

That makes sense to me, Dragonfly.

In referring to the Temple Mount, where the Dome of the Rock (Islam) now sits, Jesus had this to say to the Samaritan woman.

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

The promises of the risen Lord Jesus to the Philadelphian Church (in the Book of Revelation) are then expressed when Jesus says, "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it any more; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name" (3:12).

To all who overcome the temptation to revert to religion by "holding fast" to the Overcomer (John 16:33), Jesus promises that they will be made "a pillar in the temple of God."

Religion is so quick to pervert this, for they are most concerned with pillars and spires in physical buildings or temples, as evidenced by the temples that abounded in Philadelphia. There is the same fascination for TEMPLES in these days as if God Himself is fascinated by physical temples or structures or that His predetermined purposes have anything to with them. They fail to understand that "God does not dwell in houses built by hands" (Acts 7:48; 17:24) and that His purposes only have to do with the Temple of the Living God, His Church. In addition, religion encourages men to aspire to become "pillars" of leadership in the church (Gal. 2:9), often without any understanding of how Christ leads His church.

Axehead

 

[dragonfly]

Hello Axehead,

Thanks for the input.

I don't know if you were so focused on the 'pillar' God might make us in His temple, that you may have missed how 'mark'-appropriate the word to Philadelphia was? (We can only do one thing at a time! That's not a criticism... :) )

Revelation 7:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[Axehead]

Hello Axehead,

Thanks for the input.

I don't know if you were so focused on the 'pillar' God might make us in His temple, that you may have missed how 'mark'-appropriate the word to Philadelphia was? (We can only do one thing at a time! That's not a criticism... :) )

Revelation 7:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Dragonfly,

Yes, that was the case. LOL

I was focused on the pillar and temple and missed the mark (excuse the pun). :)

Axehead

 

[dragonfly]

Hi Axehead,

Dragonfly,

Yes, that was the case. LOL

I was focused on the pillar and temple and missed the mark (excuse the pun). :)

Thanks for the smile! :)


Look what I've just come across (with reference to the mention of the Mount of Olives), in Isaiah 5:

1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill: {a very...: Heb. the horn of the son of oil} 2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes. Matthew 21:33.

This is an interesting crossover between the uncrushed olive and the uncrushed grape.

 

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The anti-christ kingdom will be limited to his 10 nation Mid-East Arab/Islamic empire. It will not be worldwide and neither will the mark!

Are you aware that Islam is the only religion on the planet with a doctrine to support lying?


"Believers when in a weakened stage in a non-Muslim country should forgive and be patient with People of the Book when they insult Allah and his prophet by any means. Believers should lie to People of the Book to protect their lives and their religion.
- Ibn Taymiyah "THE SWORD ON THE NECK OF THE ACCUSER OF MUHAMMAD"

Anyone who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith - but such as open their breast to unbelief, on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful penalty.
- Qur'an Surah 16:106

"Know this that lying is not sin by itself, but if it brings harm to you it could be ugly. However, you can lie if that will keep you from evil or if it will result in prosperity."
- Imam Al-Ghazali (Muslim theologian and philosopher)

"The principle of sanctioning lying for the cause of Islam bears grave implications in matters relating to the spread of the religion of Islam in the West. Muslim activists employ deceptive tactics in their attempts to polish Islam's image and make it more attractive to prospective converts."
- Abdullan Al-Araby (Muslim theologian, philosopher and leader)

 

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Yes I do. It's called the Taqqiya.
Islam is the only religion that I know of that encourages you to pimp out your women if your 'hold up.' You know how the jihadist are. They like to seek refuge in places with civilians, esp. women and children. If they are in desperate need of provisions like food etc. then they are permitted to sell their wives and daughters so that their needs can be provided. Hey! What do you expect from a whore that promisses you up to 72 virgins and mansions in paradise!
This is an Islamic link that I really don't like to post but as is true about all of Islam...it's nothing but lies!

http://muslim-responses.com/Islam_on_Lying/

You may very well be correct .... I had pretty much come to the same conclusion ..... that the Whole Beast-false prophet scheme may be birthed in Islam

Some of the reasons I feel this could be a possibility is that much (most?) of Islam awaits the Imam ... a type of Islamic Messiah .... when he appears he will have an automatic huge following and will create a religious fervor among his followers.

And we can observe (secular) world opinion is increasingly trying to appease and accommodate Islam .... yet it is open season to bash the Christian and Israel.

Well for once...or maybe twice, I'm in agreement!

And hey! You're in agreement with me!
Maybe we are on the right track!