Scientists are still busy in laboratories everywhere trying to use their intelligence to recreate life in order to prove that life was created by random chance and not intelligence.
Oh the irony.
Oh the irony.
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Actually scientists are trying to create life from base elements to understand how it works at that level.
Science well understands how life is created and know it so well they even have a group that specialises in it. Pediatricians.
I am glad they are going down to that level of minute detail. their understanding may well help to alieve much suffering.
Science well understands how life is created and know it so well they even have a group that specialises in it. Pediatricians.
I am glad they are going down to that level of minute detail. their understanding may well help to alieve much suffering.
I'm not exactly sure of what you are trying to say. Perhaps you could try to clarify. I'm speaking of the scientists (NASA in particular) who are attempting to solve the abiogenesis problem. That is not pediatrics. It is a lame attempt at diminishing the role of the creator by playing creator. It's laughable and juvenile in its rebellion.
You know people when I was young conservative Christians said science was playing God with invitro fertilization and transplants.
Before that it was transfusion.
So how long do you think it'll take for you to either say you were wrong about what science is doing now or will you be one of the people that will lie and say you were all for it all along?
Knowing how life is made cell by cell is a worthy thing or don't you think God gives people brains for only opening cans of beer and using the remote?
Before that it was transfusion.
So how long do you think it'll take for you to either say you were wrong about what science is doing now or will you be one of the people that will lie and say you were all for it all along?
Knowing how life is made cell by cell is a worthy thing or don't you think God gives people brains for only opening cans of beer and using the remote?
Who says invitro is right. Is this a medical ethics post? No.
God said He made it.
Scientists say He didn't.
Let's see which God can call down the fire.
God said He made it.
Scientists say He didn't.
Let's see which God can call down the fire.
Please feel free to call down fire upon me then.ChristianJuggarnaut said:
Just so your can prove you're point. I'll happily be your Guinea pig.
I think this forum abounds with many over sensitive people. But if you must challenge God, I hope he's merciful to you.pom2014 said:
Really? Scientific naturalism is the hill you are willing to die on? A martyr for Darwin?
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
<<Scientists say He didn't.>>pom2014 said:
That is false. There are many Christian, Jewish, and Muslim scientists who have absolutely no doubt that God created life.
You are trying to make a strawman argument (a logical fallacy) appear reasonable. It is not.
Scientists indeed are trying to determine how life began. Since it is impossible to observe God with scientific instruments or perform scientific experiments on God, they examine and experiment with what is available; things that are not God; creation. And that is what science deals with; creation. (AKA nature)
If you don't like what science does then never get cancer and need chemotherapy because that was a development of science.
Also, don't get diabetes and need insulin because that is also the result of scientific work.
Don't fly in an airplane (science again) or ride in a car (right, science) or turn on an electric light (science) and you should have gotten the picture by now.
If scientists are so evil because they don't believe in God then don't use anything they have been involved in developing. (TV, Microwave, refrigerator, computer, telephone, plastic, synthetic rubber, medicines, pasteurized milk, etc.) Why would you support anything those evil people do? That would by hypocrisy.
I will gladly die for people to research the biology of life so that they might further end needless suffering.ChristianJuggarnaut said:
That would be dying for the Second Great Command. A MOST worthy thing.
The issue I always will have are people that denounce science and yet eagerly eat the fruits of it.
And I await you ability to call hell fire upon me. So far hasn't materialised. And I do not think it ever will.
It's such a straw man to equate observable science with real world applications to what a group of scientists do that is unobservable and attempts to answer philosophical questions without the possibility of the divine.pom2014 said:
You create a false conclusion of what creationists believe and then attack that conclusion. (See definition of straw man fallacy)
It happens all the time on this forum. It's stupid. Rudimentary. Juvenile. When will you materialists get some new material?. (See what I did there)
Anyway. Why are you a literalist when it comes to comments on here?. I speak figuratively about God calling fire down on a specific paradigm and you go all literalist. I guess only God can speak in totally figurative language. Only God doesn't mean what He says.
Interesting. Sad too.
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No, scientists are trying to discover the correct conditions on Earth during the time life appeared so they can recreate it in the lab and observe it. It is not easy, but we have all the materials here, on Earth so it is possible. It is like a much more complicated version of hearing an orchestra playing a song and then trying to recreate the correct instruments and notes and cords and eventually the song, when all you have is the finished song and a few, incomplete broken remnants of instruments.ChristianJuggarnaut said:
I think it is a worthwhile venture and a very human one - we are curious and explorers by nature,
Scientists are not trying to disprove God, they just want to know what happen; whether God exists or not is not even considered. Insecure Christians project their fears that the Bible will be disproven by science, and that will result in a crisis of faith and eventual loss of faith.
This topic is already being discussed in a couple other threads. Please continue the discussion there.
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