Those who think regularly listening to professional church talkers, and try to remember what they say, become mentally ill.Mental illness can probably be defined as a loss of contact with reality. Becoming attached to the unending stream of words from professional church talkers will cause a listener to think life consists of talk inspired thoughts having no commensurate action. I Corinthians 4:20 says, "For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power."An extreme example of mental illness being directly transferred from professional church babblers to their listeners is when the babblers make claim they have a "message" or a "revelation" directly from God Himself, and the listeners think they can "receive it." Some listeners even aspire to receive their own "messages" and "revelations" from God in the supposed form of "prophesy."The features of mental illness in church listeners include:1. Thinking they can be "inspired" by the babblers. "Inspiration" in this manner as a supposed response to the Word of God is never mentioned in Scripture.2. Using their imaginations to supposedly apprehend the image, character, person, or substance of Jesus or The Father. Scripture never demonstrates such a use of human imagination, and consistently speaks of human imagination being "evil" and "of the devil."3. Becoming hypnotized by church procedings, such as the professionally provided mind altering music, the supposed "office" of pastorship where the pastor's proclamations are always valid, the performances of speakers from behind a pulpit speaking nonstop rhetoric devices, and the use of patronization and condescension by pastors to control the people.4. The inability to see Scripture for what it plainly says, but rather always having a special "explanation" to make it something else. They often use churchy sounding words, and possibly even a "preacherese" language to express their ideas about Scripture.5. A denial of being involved in any of the above things.Shelli.
Mental Illnes Is Due To Professional Church Talkers.
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You're probably talking about the feel good mega churches.God promotes listening to sermons. It helps you understand theological material and help build your faith. Also, God can speak to you through a preacher. Every sermon I listen to I could have done something else that wasn't good in the eyes of the Lord. And it doesn't stop me from reading the Bible.
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That's why I give this advice, WHEREVER you go, take going to churchas though you are eating Fish. There's the Meat(The Message of the Word of God) and the Bones(Dead message). Take in the meat, toss out the bones, and you'llsee how much God will work in your life. Truly seek him and you'll find him, for me that'swhat I did, If it was not in accordance with his Word, I only took in the parts that were coherent with his Word. That's why if you're going to church and if you see their fooly(Foolishness) in the word and it doesn't apply to the bible, then it's a good ideanot to follow their doctrines.
(Wakka;25865)
You're probably talking about the feel good mega churches.God promotes listening to sermons. It helps you understand theological material and help build your faith. Also, God can speak to you through a preacher. Every sermon I listen to I could have done something else that wasn't good in the eyes of the Lord. And it doesn't stop me from reading the Bible.
You did not read my post saying anything about mega churches. Professional church talkers are found in every size of building, doing essentially the same thing.It is not possible to gain true understanding of any topic or of any issue from merely listening to spoken words. That is not how Jesus and the Apostles taught people, but they always materially demonstrated what they spoke. Undemonstrated words are not instructive. Undemonstrated faith is dead. Undemonstrated words are powerless. Professional church talkers today demonstrate nothing. They say too many things to demonstrate, and they do not have enough contact with their listeners to demonstrate much of anything.Please do not speak for me by claiming, "It helps you understand theological material and help [sic] build your faith." That is false.Jesus and the Apostles knew, and demonstrated by their deeds, that true learning comes only by experienceing the Word of God in action by participating in the process of implementing it.Mentally ill people are out of touch with the material world, and they are able to only talk and think about things. If they do act, their deeds are fruitless for God, and are surrounded by many words to "explain" the deeds.Shelli.
You're probably talking about the feel good mega churches.God promotes listening to sermons. It helps you understand theological material and help build your faith. Also, God can speak to you through a preacher. Every sermon I listen to I could have done something else that wasn't good in the eyes of the Lord. And it doesn't stop me from reading the Bible.
You did not read my post saying anything about mega churches. Professional church talkers are found in every size of building, doing essentially the same thing.It is not possible to gain true understanding of any topic or of any issue from merely listening to spoken words. That is not how Jesus and the Apostles taught people, but they always materially demonstrated what they spoke. Undemonstrated words are not instructive. Undemonstrated faith is dead. Undemonstrated words are powerless. Professional church talkers today demonstrate nothing. They say too many things to demonstrate, and they do not have enough contact with their listeners to demonstrate much of anything.Please do not speak for me by claiming, "It helps you understand theological material and help [sic] build your faith." That is false.Jesus and the Apostles knew, and demonstrated by their deeds, that true learning comes only by experienceing the Word of God in action by participating in the process of implementing it.Mentally ill people are out of touch with the material world, and they are able to only talk and think about things. If they do act, their deeds are fruitless for God, and are surrounded by many words to "explain" the deeds.Shelli.
(Shelli;25937)
You did not read my post saying anything about mega churches. Professional church talkers are found in every size of building, doing essentially the same thing.It is not possible to gain true understanding of any topic or of any issue from merely listening to spoken words. That is not how Jesus and the Apostles taught people, but they always materially demonstrated what they spoke. Undemonstrated words are not instructive. Undemonstrated faith is dead. Undemonstrated words are powerless. Professional church talkers today demonstrate nothing. They say too many things to demonstrate, and they do not have enough contact with their listeners to demonstrate much of anything.Please do not speak for me by claiming, "It helps you understand theological material and help [sic] build your faith." That is false.Jesus and the Apostles knew, and demonstrated by their deeds, that true learning comes only by experienceing the Word of God in action by participating in the process of implementing it.Mentally ill people are out of touch with the material world, and they are able to only talk and think about things. If they do act, their deeds are fruitless for God, and are surrounded by many words to "explain" the deeds..Shelli.
Hi Shelli,Again here the same issue in another form. As we dont judge, please also refrain from judging. In the event one does not agree with the others line of thought, they do not become mentally ill. They are only in dis-agreement. Actually there is no enmity only a discussion if desired. If at all anger is induced in a discussion, then it loses its real direction.Be Blessed Always Shelli.
You did not read my post saying anything about mega churches. Professional church talkers are found in every size of building, doing essentially the same thing.It is not possible to gain true understanding of any topic or of any issue from merely listening to spoken words. That is not how Jesus and the Apostles taught people, but they always materially demonstrated what they spoke. Undemonstrated words are not instructive. Undemonstrated faith is dead. Undemonstrated words are powerless. Professional church talkers today demonstrate nothing. They say too many things to demonstrate, and they do not have enough contact with their listeners to demonstrate much of anything.Please do not speak for me by claiming, "It helps you understand theological material and help [sic] build your faith." That is false.Jesus and the Apostles knew, and demonstrated by their deeds, that true learning comes only by experienceing the Word of God in action by participating in the process of implementing it.Mentally ill people are out of touch with the material world, and they are able to only talk and think about things. If they do act, their deeds are fruitless for God, and are surrounded by many words to "explain" the deeds..Shelli.
Hi Shelli,Again here the same issue in another form. As we dont judge, please also refrain from judging. In the event one does not agree with the others line of thought, they do not become mentally ill. They are only in dis-agreement. Actually there is no enmity only a discussion if desired. If at all anger is induced in a discussion, then it loses its real direction.Be Blessed Always Shelli.
If people believe they need to follow a man that's bad news for both.And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. (Heb.8:11)"These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1 John 2:26-27)Problems come when preachers & churches either blindly, or deliberately don't teach people about receiving and being led of the Holy Spirit personally - then you become a living epistle yourself!I have learned as much or more about what I can be like spiritually from being with people who personally walk with God than listening to preachers!I remember in my 18 months of searching for God's will for me I bought a number of books about the Holy Spirit, but none of them told me what I personally needed to knowThe problem can also be that people don't want to take responsibility for their own walk in The Lord! They would rather just be entertained and keep personal control of their lives!For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Tim 4:3-4)(Shelli;25840)
. . . An extreme example of mental illness being directly transferred from professional church babblers to their listeners is when the babblers make claim they have a "message" or a "revelation" directly from God Himself, and the listeners think they can "receive it."
Shelli, do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
. . . An extreme example of mental illness being directly transferred from professional church babblers to their listeners is when the babblers make claim they have a "message" or a "revelation" directly from God Himself, and the listeners think they can "receive it."
Shelli, do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
(JIP;26010)
Hi Shelli,Again here the same issue in another form. As we dont judge, please also refrain from judging. In the event one does not agree with the others line of thought, they do not become mentally ill. They are only in dis-agreement. Actually there is no enmity only a discussion if desired. If at all anger is induced in a discussion, then it loses its real direction.Be Blessed Always Shelli.
Do you ever see professional church talkers do any of the things I listed, above?
Hi Shelli,Again here the same issue in another form. As we dont judge, please also refrain from judging. In the event one does not agree with the others line of thought, they do not become mentally ill. They are only in dis-agreement. Actually there is no enmity only a discussion if desired. If at all anger is induced in a discussion, then it loses its real direction.Be Blessed Always Shelli.
Do you ever see professional church talkers do any of the things I listed, above?
(TallMan;26029)
If people believe they need to follow a man that's bad news for both.And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. (Heb.8:11)"These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1 John 2:26-27)Problems come when preachers & churches either blindly, or deliberately don't teach people about receiving and being led of the Holy Spirit personally - then you become a living epistle yourself!I have learned as much or more about what I can be like spiritually from being with people who personally walk with God than listening to preachers!I remember in my 18 months of searching for God's will for me I bought a number of books about the Holy Spirit, but none of them told me what I personally needed to knowThe problem can also be that people don't want to take responsibility for their own walk in The Lord! They would rather just be entertained and keep personal control of their lives!For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Tim 4:3-4)Shelli, do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
Tall, those "gifts" are not exhibited by any "Pentecostal" professional church talkers. They do not take such "gifts" beyond their church doors, but just talk about them amongst themselves with a sympathetic and gullible audience on hand. There is no such thing as "flowing in the Holy Spirit." Such is not spoken of or demonstrated in Scripture.
If people believe they need to follow a man that's bad news for both.And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. (Heb.8:11)"These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1 John 2:26-27)Problems come when preachers & churches either blindly, or deliberately don't teach people about receiving and being led of the Holy Spirit personally - then you become a living epistle yourself!I have learned as much or more about what I can be like spiritually from being with people who personally walk with God than listening to preachers!I remember in my 18 months of searching for God's will for me I bought a number of books about the Holy Spirit, but none of them told me what I personally needed to knowThe problem can also be that people don't want to take responsibility for their own walk in The Lord! They would rather just be entertained and keep personal control of their lives!For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Tim 4:3-4)Shelli, do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
Tall, those "gifts" are not exhibited by any "Pentecostal" professional church talkers. They do not take such "gifts" beyond their church doors, but just talk about them amongst themselves with a sympathetic and gullible audience on hand. There is no such thing as "flowing in the Holy Spirit." Such is not spoken of or demonstrated in Scripture.
(Shelli;26053)
Tall, those "gifts" are not exhibited by any "Pentecostal" professional church talkers. They do not take such "gifts" beyond their church doors, but just talk about them amongst themselves with a sympathetic and gullible audience on hand. There is no such thing as "flowing in the Holy Spirit." Such is not spoken of or demonstrated in Scripture.
Shelli, my question was / is:-do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
Tall, those "gifts" are not exhibited by any "Pentecostal" professional church talkers. They do not take such "gifts" beyond their church doors, but just talk about them amongst themselves with a sympathetic and gullible audience on hand. There is no such thing as "flowing in the Holy Spirit." Such is not spoken of or demonstrated in Scripture.
Shelli, my question was / is:-do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
(TallMan;26070)
Shelli, my question was / is:-do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
I have seen those gifts in none of the "Pentecostal" churches or venues I have visited, attended, or been involved in.Real simple. "Pentecostals" are all words, with no goods to demonstrate their words.
Shelli, my question was / is:-do you believe that preaching (words of wisdom ans knowledge) and prophesy (foretelling and forthtelling the will of God) remain gifts/ministries of the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns?
I have seen those gifts in none of the "Pentecostal" churches or venues I have visited, attended, or been involved in.Real simple. "Pentecostals" are all words, with no goods to demonstrate their words.
(Shelli;26051)
Do you ever see professional church talkers do any of the things I listed, above?
Did you see me champion for professional or any church talkers Shelli? You are just putting your own words into what you presume my answer was. I would not do the same as I would then be guilty of a shameful act.
Do you ever see professional church talkers do any of the things I listed, above?
Did you see me champion for professional or any church talkers Shelli? You are just putting your own words into what you presume my answer was. I would not do the same as I would then be guilty of a shameful act.
(Shelli;26204)
I have seen those gifts in none of the "Pentecostal" churches or venues I have visited, attended, or been involved in.Real simple. "Pentecostals" are all words, with no goods to demonstrate their words.
That doesn't answer the question, are you ok mentally Shelli?
I have seen those gifts in none of the "Pentecostal" churches or venues I have visited, attended, or been involved in.Real simple. "Pentecostals" are all words, with no goods to demonstrate their words.
That doesn't answer the question, are you ok mentally Shelli?
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