Messiah 2030

[Big Boy Johnson]

It's not the average human life span. No dictionary ever defines the word that way and scripture never does. But, go ahead and believe that if you want to just make scripture say whatever you want it to say.

You continue to forget that you were the one telling people what a generation is, not me.

 

[ScottA]

Huh ?????
3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Nothing there points to John.
Zero.

"To the angel of the church...."

That's like telling the court stenographer she also is going to jail.

Excellent!

The point I was making, however, is that the use of "thee" or "thou", "singular", shows the word to be to the church as individuals, rather than as a group (as if they all "received and heard" the saving message of Christ all at the same moment). Which then collaborates Paul's clarification that the dead, "those who sleep in Jesus" and "we who are alive and remain until" Jesus' coming--in other words--all who come to Christ, Christ comes to, "But each one in his own order" (individually). 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23.

Scripture has confirmed scripture.

 

[ScottA]

I'm going by how the word generation is defined in the dictionary. It is never defined as the average human life span.

The biblical definition of a generation would indeed be 40 years. Which over the many uses of 40 years, is established by the forty years of wandering in the desert before the next generation entered the promised land...the math of which is only determined by the spiritual meaning of that generation first passing through the Red Sea, as a foreshadowing of passing from death to life.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The biblical definition of a generation would indeed be 40 years.

Chapter and verse for that claim?

You just said your claim was "biblical" so where does the Bible say this???

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You continue to forget that you were the one telling people what a generation is, not me.

You continue to forget that you joined the discussion for no apparent reason while offering nothing of substance and no evidence against what I said.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You continue to forget that you joined the discussion for no apparent reason while offering nothing of substance and no evidence against what I said.

I was pointing out that we should get our definitions from Lord not from what man thinks.

There's a lot of good substance in that!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I was pointing out that we should get our definitions from Lord not from what man thinks.

There's a lot of good substance in that!

So, how does the Lord define the word generation? You seem to think you are an expert on this, so tell me what you think the Lord says it means. I'm talking about what it means in Matthew 24:34 in particular.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So, how does the Lord define the word generation? You seem to think you are an expert on this, so tell me what you think the Lord says it means.

What do I care? It matters not to me.

I was pointing out that we should get our definitions from Lord not from what man thinks.

I said that because you were so sure of your definition and when I asked where you got that from God's Word you then said God's Word does not define what a generation is so you used the dictionary which is the wisdom of man.

Feel free to make assertions that your view is correct and true when God's Word (which is Truth) doesn't define it at all

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What do I care? It matters not to me.

LOL. Why are you even here then?

I was pointing out that we should get our definitions from Lord not from what man thinks.

Should we make up a definition for the Greek word "genea" that doesn't exist in any Greek dictionary or a definition for the English word "generation" that doesn't exist in any English dictionary? If we can do that, then we can make scripture say anything we want it to say.

I said that because you were so sure of your definition and when I asked where you got that from God's Word you then said God's Word does not define what a generation is so you used the dictionary which is the wisdom of man.

LOL. Who do you think created all the languages in the first place? It was God who did that when the tower of Babel was being built. You think God has some special meanings for words that don't exist in the languages the Bible was written in?

Feel free to make assertions that your view is correct and true when God's Word (which is Truth) doesn't define it at all

God's Word was written in the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek languages. The verse being talked about was Matthew 24:34 which was originally written in Greek. Do you think that we can't consult Greek definitions for the word "genea" to find out what it can mean? Does God have some hidden meaning for the word that can't be found in any Greek dictionary? No, of course He doesn't. That's ridiculous. If that was the case we could just claim every verse can't be understood because God has His own definitions for words that we don't have access to.

No, the New Testament was written in Greek so we can look at Greek resources to find the definitions for the words used in scripture. And there is no definition for the Greek word "genea" that means the average human life span.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God's Word was written in the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek languages.

If none of these dialects have a definition for generation then fuhgettaboutit

 

[The Light]

Actually there are numerous raptures mentioned in God's Word, some were under the old testament

And at least one time Jesus and His disciples were raptured instantly from one side of the lake to the other

Rapture being defined as catching away or to be instantly snatched away from one place to another.

Yes of course. I was attempting to show the raptures that were harvests on the harvest feasts.

 

[The Light]

Why are you twisting scripture like this?

It seems that you are attempting to twist scripture because it does not agree with your doctrine.

Psalm 90 does not say that a generation is 80 years. That's talking about the average human life span.

Psalm 90 is talking about generations.

Psalm 90
1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

So you say that the verses I quoted are talking about the average human life span. Great. And by reason of strength that period is 80 years.

The word generation is not in that verse.

I know go to verse one.

A generation is not the human life span.

I know. But the fig tree generation will not pass until all these things spoken of in Matthew 24 come to pass. That does mean their lifespan.

You are making up your own definition for the word generation that doesn't exist.

See above if you are confused.

A generation is the average time that children grow up to be an adult and then has their own kids, which is generally considered to be 30 or 40 years.

Right or even 20 to 30. But how long does it take for a generation to pass? Are they dead when the next generation comes?

 

[ScottA]

Chapter and verse for that claim?

You just said your claim was "biblical" so where does the Bible say this???

Here, in the same post:

Which over the many uses of 40 years, is established by the forty years of wandering in the desert before the next generation entered the promised land...

 

[Douggg]

The Gog/Magog attack on Israel will take place right before the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 coincide with the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog attack.

Since the Gog/Magog attack on Israel has not happened yet - the beginning of the 7 years has not begun yet either.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Since the Gog/Magog attack on Israel has not happened yet - the beginning of the 7 years has not begun yet either.

Since the man of sin has not been revealed yet - the beginning of the 7 years has not begun yet either.

 

[Josho]

No,they will never be correct. Because Jesus said no man knows the day or time of his return. Not even the son of man.

Yep very true, I do feel it could be in my lifetime, but you know the people living during the World Wars probably thought that too.

The Lord's return could be in 50 years, 100 years, 200 years, 300 years, no man knows, we are all just guessing if we put a date on it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

OK so you cannot prove what you are saying from the Lord's point of view in scripture. Got it.

You should be careful to follow the wisdom of the Lord and discard the wisdom of man

He is amil.
Different bible.
Amil goggles used on every verse

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yep very true, I do feel it could be in my lifetime, but you know the people living during the World Wars probably thought that too.

The Lord's return could be in 50 years, 100 years, 200 years, 300 years, no man knows, we are all just guessing if we put a date on it.

I heard once where someone told this old guy "how do you know we are in the last days?"

And the old guy replied, "No matter how you slice it, these are YOUR last days"

The old guy was referring to the clock is running down for each of us regardless of if we are in the last days or not.

We should all be mindful of that as we get closer to death, closer to meeting the Lord with each passing minutes.

Those not excited about that are not walking with the Lord as they should be.
Christians should be excited about leaving earth to go be with the Lord!

 

[Josho]

I heard once where someone told this old guy "how do you know we are in the last days?"

And the old guy replied, "No matter how you slice it, these are YOUR last days"

The old guy was referring to the clock is running down for each of us regardless of if we are in the last days or not.

We should all be mindful of that as we get closer to death, closer to meeting the Lord with each passing minutes.

Those not excited about that are not walking with the Lord as they should be.
Christians should be excited about leaving earth to go be with the Lord!

Well this is true, each day is a day closer for each of us to meeting the Lord.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yep, and I keep running across people who say they are Christians but are deathly afraid of dying.

Then they get all upset when I tell them there's something wrong with their get along