Messiah 2030

[rebuilder 454]

The falling away from believing that Jesus is the messiah will take place during the false messianic age which the Antichrist will be the thought-to-messiah. To take place during the first three years (thereabouts) of the 7 years.

Then the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the messiah after all.

The apostacy
The revealing of the AC
The rapture of the church

ALL PRETRIB.
The ac is REVEALED....not in power,Reread it.
Exactly as Obama was.
Anyone with a sliver of discernment knew he was evil way before he was elected.
Obama....revealed...before he took power
AC.... Revealed...before he takes power.
You changed it to "he revealed himself as the man of sin "

It seems to me you are omitting one of the key components of the entire book of revelation.
And that is the Jewish component... for which the entire tribulation is centered on.
It's not centered on anything else.
it's not centered on tribulation.
It's not centered on the Antichrist.
It's not centered on wrath.
It's not centered on anything but the Jewish component.
It is jacob's trouble.
it is israel's trouble period

Now, if you factor in the Jewish component which is the 144000, and the fact that they are first fruits, and the fact that main harvest follows first fruits, and the fact that the FIRSTFRUITS are harvested at the first part of chapter 14....
We see that they're must be a main harvest because the first fruits are in heaven.

So in verse 14 of chapter 14 WE SEE the Jewish main harvest, which is right before the wrath part of the 7 year tribulation,
.... which means THAT IS in the middle of the 7 year tribulation, at that point, so there's no main harvest of the church, or rapture of the churcht that point.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The falling away from believing that Jesus is the messiah will take place during the false messianic age which the Antichrist will be the thought-to-messiah. To take place during the first three years (thereabouts) of the 7 years.

Then the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the messiah after all.

No
Look around
We are in the great apostacy.
Next is either the rapture or the revealing (not yet in power) of the AC
The AC arrives with a bow in his hand.
God said the bow is his Covenant.
Bow represents covenant.

 

[rebuilder 454]

First off, this is not about average lifespan. It is about the days of years of STRENGTH, which is 80.

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

And Matthew 24 says "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

AND WE FLY AWAY. This is talking about the second harvest or second fold. There are 144,000 first fruits of this harvest. This occurs at the 6th seal. (which is not the 7th seal)

Not to be obtuse, but it is saying we are promised seventy, and if strength brings you you to 80 ...then you have 80 years under your belt.

Then you die...fly away.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Which is why I said If none of these dialects have a definition for generation then fuhgettaboutit






No, he'll be presented at the start of the 7 years and will be mostly peaceful for the first 3 1/2 years which is when he tricks everyone in to thinking he is a good guy with answers to all the world's problems and this time will be so deceptive that many of those claiming to be Christians will also be deceived by this guy believing the Lord sent him as a blessing to mankind and they will accept and follow him!






OK, so prove you know who this person is and prove he's the actual anti-christ.

The reason you cannot prove this is because the anti-christ has not been revealed to the world yet.

All you have on this is guess work and your own opinion, no proof.






Exactly, and that apostasy has been going on now in earnest since the 60s when the whole hippies Jesus movement got started

Every since then we've seen the rise of the false grace teaching where people think they can engage in sinful behavior and still be saved which is apostasy causing many to refuse to hear sound doctrine and to align themselves with teachers who tickle their ears and tell them only what they want to hear.






When it all goes down, very few Christians will know the man of sin is the antichrist due to the apostasy most people claiming to be Christian are engaged in apostasy.






The Law of Moses was done away with by Jesus when He arrived and brought forth the New Covenant and He is not the High Priest
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.






Our peace in the New Covenant comes from Jesus, not from any sabbath days or any other observance in the old covenant.

Jesus said come unto me and I'll give you rest (Matthew 11:28-30) so abiding In Christ is the rest we are called to in the New Testament






Actually it does because when someone departs from the Lord they return to the world

There's only two ways to live: Following the Lord in agreement with Him and following the world in agreement with them which of course is walking with the devil.

I can look at apostacy 2 ways.
In one it is the literal ,which means I am with God , and in covenant with him, and depart from that position,I become apostate.
( those ones literally departing something become one with this world, rejecting God)

The other is just looking at the sinful world. And just losely call them apostate.


But the bible is speaking of those that had recieved sound doctrine but no longer do.
Back sliders.
Literally DEPARTED FROM THE FAITH.

NOT "never saved to begin with".( they departed nothing, so how can the be of any departure?)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Which is why I said If none of these dialects have a definition for generation then fuhgettaboutit

They do have definitions for the word. Do you understand that the New Testament was written in Greek? The word "generation" in Matthew 24:34 was translated from the Greek word "genea".

Here are the definitions for that word...



Do you see any definition for the word here that means "the average human life span"? It's not there. So, someone was making up their own definition for the word to make Matthew 24:34 say what they want it to say, which is very dishonest.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

No,they will never be correct. Because Jesus said no man knows the day or time of his return. Not even the son of man.

Except, people do not understand what Jesus was actually saying here. Just an off hand question, if you knew the month or year does that BREAK the no man knows the Day nor Hour?

This is tied in with the 7 Feasts, its a CLUE by Jesus/God when he is coming as per unto the Season. Did you know Jesus died on Passover? He then fulfilled the First-fruits because he was raised from the dead and he fulfilled the Unleavened Bread by having never sinned. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Three Spring Feasts.

We are now in the Feast or Weeks/Harvest and as out High Priest Jesus is leading us in the Harvesting of Souls, in a ONE OFF Summer Feast, just like the Church Age is a ONE OFF event, all the other Feasts are fulfilled whilst Israel were a Nation, before 70 AD and after the Pre Trib. Rapture (70th week events).

Here is THEY KEY to No man knows the Day nor Hour. The Feasts were APPOINTED TIMES by God, not on Days per se, but they followed Moon Phases, the New Moon always started a Feast and NO MAN could know the exact day the last sliver of light would turn into a totally New Moon (Pitch Black), you see, if it could happen just before the Sunset on a Tue. just after on a Wed. or just after the Sunset on Thurs. So, all Three Days barley coved over 24 hours. We know what month the Feast of Trumps fall in before he year starts, unless the few days also straddle a month, so we always know THE SEASON, and most pf the time THE MONTH, but no man ever knew the EXACT DAY NOR HOUR because these were Appointed Times by God going by the Moon Phases, only God knew. But they of course knew the SEASON of the Feast of Trumps. We can also know THE SEASON by looking at events, and if one thinks the Asteroid Apophis is the DOTL/God's Wrath and we know it hits on April 13 (Friday) 2029, then we can subtract 3.5 years from this Middle of the [70th] Week Event and understand the Rapture has to happen in the Fall of 2025, IF Apophis is the DOTL Event, it might not be, I think it is, but it comes back around in 7 years and it could be another Asteroid Impact.

Thus the Feast of Trumps ALWAYS ENDED the Harvest Season (think Church Age). Then the Feast of ATONEMENT means Israel must repent, after the Rapture of the Church but before the DOTL. Finally the Feast of Tabernacles means Jesus will dwell with mankind from Israel for 1000 years. How so? to TABERNACLE in Hebrew simply means God Dwelling with Man or vice versa.

Jesus fulfills all 7 Feasts. He blows the Trump that Raptures us to heaven, see Rev. 4:1. Thus we can not know the EXACT DAY NOR HOUR, but we should know THE SEASON.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The 7 years start when the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year period Moses stipulated in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Yes, and at that time the entire world will know who the anti-christ is and the rapture will not have happened yet so the Body of Christ will still be here when all this goes down.

What is your basis for claiming the EU to be weak financially and militarily ?

All you have to do is pay attention to new stories coming out of Europe about what's going on in Europe.

Because of Trump's threats, Europe is just now starting to spend more on military stuff.

And it's been widely reported that most countries in Europe are on the brink of recession

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Do you see any definition for the word here that means "the average human life span"? It's not there. So, someone was making up their own definition for the word to make Matthew 24:34 say what they want it to say, which is very dishonest.

Which is why I said If none of these dialects have a definition for generation then fuhgettaboutit

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Which is why I said If none of these dialects have a definition for generation then fuhgettaboutit

Are you unable to read? I showed that there ARE definitions for the Greek word that the English word "generation" was translated from in Matthew 24:34, which is "genea". Do you think that should just be ignored? Do you think it's okay for someone to make up their own definition for that word that doesn't exist, such as the average human life span?

 

[The Light]

Not to be obtuse, but it is saying we are promised seventy, and if strength brings you you to 80 ...then you have 80 years under your belt.

Then you die...fly away.

I think you need to look deeper.

This scripture, I believe, is regarding the coming of the Lord to the Jews for the second harvest.

1948 + 80 years is 2028

The fig tree generation will not pass away until all is fulfilled that is spoken of in Matthew 24.

That would mean this is fulfilled.............

Matthew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

As to the flying away. We are talking about the second harvest or rapture. And the alive fly away also.

If the tribulation is not cut short, there would be no flesh, raptured alive unto salvation. All believers would be killed and have to be raised from the dead.

Matthew 24
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

If this indeed is correct. The fits perfectly with asteroid Apophis coming in April of 2029.

 

[The Light]

I can look at apostacy 2 ways.
In one it is the literal ,which means I am with God , and in covenant with him, and depart from that position,I become apostate.
( those ones literally departing something become one with this world, rejecting God)

The other is just looking at the sinful world. And just losely call them apostate.


But the bible is speaking of those that had recieved sound doctrine but no longer do.
Back sliders.
Literally DEPARTED FROM THE FAITH.

NOT "never saved to begin with".( they departed nothing, so how can the be of any departure?)

The departure might also refer to the rapture of the Church.

 

[The Light]

No
Look around
We are in the great apostacy.
Next is either the rapture or the revealing (not yet in power) of the AC
The AC arrives with a bow in his hand.
God said the bow is his Covenant.
Bow represents covenant.

The bow represents the false savior. Tammuz, Horus, Apollo etc,

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Are you unable to read? I showed that there ARE definitions for the Greek word that the English word "generation" was translated from in Matthew 24:34, which is "genea". Do you think that should just be ignored? Do you think it's okay for someone to make up their own definition for that word that doesn't exist, such as the average human life span?

I see you have your mountain out of a mole hill hat on!

Where in God's Word does the Lord specifically say how many years a generation actually is???

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I see you have your mountain out of a mole hill hat on!

Where in God's Word does the Lord specifically say how many years a generation actually is???

Not in Psalm 90:10, as someone was trying to claim. Someone tried to act as if that verse is talking about the length of a generation, but it's not. It refers to the average human life span. Nowhere in scripture does it ever refer to a generation in relation to the average human life span.

 

[The Light]

Only by reinterpreting Scripture can one get a date of 2030.

This is incorrect. There are many scriptures that point to the year 2030 as the year that the millennial kingdom is set up.

One example is
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

A day is as 1000 year and a 1000 years as a day.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

30AD + 2000 years = 2030

The best example to me is Ezekiel 4. Those separate calculations for the house of Israel and the house of Judah both come to the year 2030.

We will know the actual date of Jesus' return when we see Israel sign a 7 year covenant with the Antichrist.

This is totally incorrect. The covenant with many has nothing to do with Israel signing a covenant with Antichrist.

The covenant with many is a 7 year covenant WITH MANY. An example would be the UN 7 year covenant with many that was signed in September of 2023. We will not know if this is the covenant with many that the book of Daniel speaks of until the Antichrist confirms it.

It is interesting that after this 7 year covenant with many that was made Israel was attacked........Oct 7, 2023.

Additionally, it should be noted, this covenant with many signed September 2023 fits perfectly with millennial kingdom being set up in the fall of 2030 as the Feast of Tabernacles is a fall feast.

And before that we must see Russia invade Israel as declared in Eza. 38-39.

Absolutely not. Gog Magog happens after the 1000 years.

Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

God said Israel would burn the weapons of war for fuel for 7 years. And as Iswrael flees the land of Israel at teh midpoint of the 7 years of the tribulation, the earliest jesus can return to set up His Millennial kingdom is at the end of 2035!

Totally in error. This happens after the year millennial kingdom

 

[The Light]

Not in Psalm 90:10, as someone was trying to claim. Someone tried to act as if that verse is talking about the length of a generation, but it's not. It refers to the average human life span. Nowhere in scripture does it ever refer to a generation in relation to the average human life span.

Great. Ok you are correct.

Does that change anything? There is still an 80 year length of time for all to be fulfilled in Matthew 24. This generation will not pass away until all is fulfilled. This is known as the fig tree generation.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[The Light]

The person who becomes the Antichrist makes his identity known by first becoming the little horn person. The little horn person will the leader of a panel of ten EU leaders. That's the first stage to knowing his identity.

Being the Antichrist is only one of five stages the person will go through on his path to the lake of fire.

(stage 1) the little horn
(stage 2) the prince that shall come
(stage 3) the Antichrist
(stage 4) the revealed man of sin
(stage 5) the beast-king

There are no stages of the Antichrist. You have made this up.

There is the beast of the sea who is the little horn and the eighth king. This is Nimrod.

There is the beast of the earth with two horns. The Antichrist is the rider on the white horse who is the 7th king.

You are mixing the rider on the white horse and the little horn into one person.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Great. Ok you are correct.

Thank you for admitting that. It's a rare thing to see on this forum.

Does that change anything?

Yes, it changes everything as it relates to what you were saying about Matthew 24:34.

There is still an 80 year length of time for all to be fulfilled in Matthew 24. This generation will not pass away until all is fulfilled. This is known as the fig tree generation.

Where are you getting that idea from? It can't be from Psalm 90:10 since that verse has nothing to do with the duration of a generation.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Where do you get the idea from that "this generation" lasts for 80 years? You just acknowledged that what I was saying about Psalm 90:10 is right, so it can't be from there. So, where are you getting that from?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Not in Psalm 90:10, as someone was trying to claim. Someone tried to act as if that verse is talking about the length of a generation, but it's not. It refers to the average human life span. Nowhere in scripture does it ever refer to a generation in relation to the average human life span.

If God's Word does not provide a clear definition for how many years a generation is then fuhgettaboutit

Psalm 90:10
The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Looks like the average lifespan of man ends up being the Lord's definition of how long a generation is seeing you have nothing to offer that counters this.

Really your only two options are Better luck next time or fuhgettaboutit!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is incorrect. There are many scriptures that point to the year 2030 as the year that the millennial kingdom is set up.

One example is
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

A day is as 1000 year and a 1000 years as a day.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

30AD + 2000 years = 2030

The best example to me is Ezekiel 4. Those separate calculations for the house of Israel and the house of Judah both come to the year 2030.

This is totally incorrect. The covenant with many has nothing to do with Israel signing a covenant with Antichrist.

The covenant with many is a 7 year covenant WITH MANY. An example would be the UN 7 year covenant with many that was signed in September of 2023. We will not know if this is the covenant with many that the book of Daniel speaks of until the Antichrist confirms it.

It is interesting that after this 7 year covenant with many that was made Israel was attacked........Oct 7, 2023.

Additionally, it should be noted, this covenant with many signed September 2023 fits perfectly with millennial kingdom being set up in the fall of 2030 as the Feast of Tabernacles is a fall feast.


Absolutely not. Gog Magog happens after the 1000 years.

Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Totally in error. This happens after the year millennial kingdom

You are allegorizing verses to make them literal and that is wrong.

After teh millennial kingdom, comes eternity. do you resally think that russia is going to invade Israel after the 1,000 year kingdom with its allies? Please read Ez. 38-39 and think ! Do you think the events after that invasion will take place for X amount of years in the new heaven and earth?

Rev. 20 shows that when the invasion at then end of the millenial happens it is inpired and led by Satan who was just loosed. God destroys the armies and the present universe vanishes.

Ez. 38 &39 show vastly different events. Burning weapons for 7 years into eternity after the heavens and earth are gone?

Burying the dead for at least 7 months after the earth is gone?