Money Matters

[Wrangler]

In our financial life, there is fiscal and monetary policy. Fiscal policy is about balancing budgets. Monetary policy is the nature of money, itself. (End The Fed by Ron Paul is an excellent and short analysis of this important topic.) In short, a corrupt money system is a hidden tax that hurts the poor the most. Such corruption has occurred throughout human history and there is a pair of verses in Scripture that haunt me regarding this fact:

• Isaiah 1:22 Your silver has become dross, your best wine mixed with water.
• James 5:4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty.

I don't believe James was literal in saying the workers were not paid their wages but that the money doesn't buy what it should - the silver has become dross. I think of the $1 my father saved in 1970 that is only worth $0.10 now. And since the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913, displacing silver and gold with fiat currency, the dollar has lost more than 99.8% of its value (based on current gold valuation). Now, we owe $38T, which means America has lost its sovereignty! We've enslaved our progeny. Preventing this explains why the Founding Father's did not establish a central bank but put in the US Constitution a provision @ Article I, Section 8, Clause 4:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign​

Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures​

Monetary policy is about justice where the scales of weight and purity are balanced. Sadly, in 1913, Congress delegated this grant of power to an agency, independent of the will of the people. Do you think the people want to pay trillions of dollars in interest on money it has the power to create on their own? I've heard it said that Jesus talked more about money than any other single moral issue and this is because he knew money matters consume most people's thoughts.

• Where are we getting our next meal?
• How will we pay for the roof over our head?
• How will we pay the doctor's bill?
• How will we live when we are too old to work?

These are eternal questions in that in our lives they come up constantly. They are not one and done considerations. So, I was reminded of all this from the excerpt below.

This sad story points to an eternal truth. You cannot ever trust governments with the production and management of money. ​

So, what are we to do? Is crypto-currency the answer?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

In our financial life, there is fiscal and monetary policy. Fiscal policy is about balancing budgets. Monetary policy is the nature of money, itself. (End The Fed by Ron Paul is an excellent and short analysis of this important topic.) In short, a corrupt money system is a hidden tax that hurts the poor the most. Such corruption has occurred throughout human history and there is a pair of verses in Scripture that haunt me regarding this fact:

• Isaiah 1:22 Your silver has become dross, your best wine mixed with water.
• James 5:4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty.

I don't believe James was literal in saying the workers were not paid their wages but that the money doesn't buy what it should - the silver has become dross. I think of the $1 my father saved in 1970 that is only worth $0.10 now. And since the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913, displacing silver and gold with fiat currency, the dollar has lost more than 99.8% of its value (based on current gold valuation). Now, we owe $38T, which means America has lost its sovereignty! We've enslaved our progeny. Preventing this explains why the Founding Father's did not establish a central bank but put in the US Constitution a provision @ Article I, Section 8, Clause 4:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign​

Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures​

Monetary policy is about justice where the scales of weight and purity are balanced. Sadly, in 1913, Congress delegated this grant of power to an agency, independent of the will of the people. Do you think the people want to pay trillions of dollars in interest on money it has the power to create on their own? I've heard it said that Jesus talked more about money than any other single moral issue and this is because he knew money matters consume most people's thoughts.

• Where are we getting our next meal?
• How will we pay for the roof over our head?
• How will we pay the doctor's bill?
• How will we live when we are too old to work?

These are eternal questions in that in our lives they come up constantly. They are not one and done considerations. So, I was reminded of all this from the excerpt below.

This sad story points to an eternal truth. You cannot ever trust governments with the production and management of money. ​

So, what are we to do? Is crypto-currency the answer?

Excellent post. Answer: We will continue to live, buy and sell, as we have with the levels of greed increasing. People aren't going to do anything different collectively. We talk about getting rid of the Federa Reserve and IRS, go back to the gold standard, but it won't happen. The elite globalist are still scheming to change the world, engage their Great Reset and One World Order (which will likely be a cashless society with digital currency). Destroying the sovereignty of all nations is in the mix and this was the plan .fir decades that Obama/Biden adminstrations began to implement in the USA.
Prophecy foretells of a One World Government run by the Antichrist; so what will be will be. Trump, with all his efforts to prevent the Left from accomplishing their goals, just really postpones what is inevitable. Trump is just part of the plan that has a precise timeline of events and the setting for the Great Tribulation and the Lord's Second Coming. I think he is instrumental in this division in the country, exposing waste and fraud, exporting thr bad guys and we are better for it - temoorarily. We are taking sides, ti be righteous or lawless. Good and Evil will be separated and people will have to choose to be with Christ or without Him. Jesus ( having Divine authority and power over all) is the only one who can fix this world.

 

[PinSeeker]

These are eternal questions...

No they're not... <smile> Important questions, for sure, but not eternal... <smile>

Grace and peace to you both.

 

[Wrangler]

No they're not... <smile> Important questions, for sure, but not eternal... <smile>

Grace and peace to you both.

Yes, they are eternal questions in our life time. IF you were right, money would have gone out of style a long time ago.

 

[amigo de christo]

Doctrine matters .
Faith in JESUS matters .
My advice get every man , woman and child outta anything attached in any way to any of ecumenicism .
That h ouse be coming down on JESUS day .
As far as money matters , Put not thine heart upon it .
GOD will give us as we have need . No need to wo rry .

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, they are eternal questions in our life time.

"Eternal questions in our lifetime"... that in itself is contradictory, really. I mean, come on: there's really no argument or debate, here, Wrangler. I know what you mean: remaining unresolved in this life, for any one of us in our lifetime here on earth. Maybe the more correct term to use is 'perpetual.' But they are not eternal, which, by definition only pertains to eternity, and in eternity, all of those questions will be long gone. <smile> And actually, we can live as though they are long gone even now, in the sense of what Jesus tells us in the Sermon on the Mount:

"...which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you" (Matthew 6:27-33).​

IF you were right, money would have gone out of style a long time ago.

We are not in eternity, the age to come, Wrangler. <smile> You may as well be arguing with the wind, or holding back the waves from the seashore... <smile> ...which, maybe you are, for all I know... <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Wrangler]

"Eternal questions in our lifetime"... that in itself is contradictory, really.

Nope. I’m trying to convey something but you seem stuck on the word eternal; unable to grasp how it applies for the duration of the time frame mentioned. What word besides ‘eternal’ would you prefer?

 

[PinSeeker]

Nope.

It is. But okay, we disagree.

I’m trying to convey something...

Yes, I know. <smile> But you're not doing a good job. <smile> That was my point. One of them, anyway. <smile>

but you seem stuck on the word eternal...

In a sense, yes, because you're misusing it. Applying it where it really can't possibly be applied.

...unable to grasp how it applies for the duration of the time frame mentioned.

It cannot. If something is asked and then either whether resolved or not in this temporal time, then it is temporal only, and not eternal. Now there can be questions asked and considered in this temporal time that have eternal implications, but not of these questions meet that criteria in any way. They will all be resolved, for everyone, somehow, before eternity begins.

What word besides ‘eternal’ would you prefer?

Well I said it in my previous post. If you want to use an "...al" adjective, then 'perpetual' seems better, or maybe 'continual,' or 'perennial.' But again ~ and I think I'm not alone in saying this ~ I know what you meant. <smile>

You know it's really not a big deal, Wrangler. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I've heard it said that Jesus talked more about money than any other single moral issue and this is because he knew money matters consume most people's thoughts.

• Where are we getting our next meal?
• How will we pay for the roof over our head?
• How will we pay the doctor's bill?
• How will we live when we are too old to work?

This is true because greed is the one thing that sin revels in.....

This truth is embodied in Paul’s clear statement....
“But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.” (1 Tim 6:9-10 NLT)

It’s not “money” that is the “root of all evil”, but “the love of it”.....which is why this love can drive both the rich and the poor alike, to criminal activity.....which can result in many kinds of regret....not to mention the toll it takes on families whose bread winner is constantly occupied with making money, instead of spending time with their spouse and children.

The poor envy the rich and will steal to gain even meagre possessions.
So the rich have to have elaborate security systems to protect their accumulation of possessions. Some have even died trying to protect them...or have been swindled out of them by unscrupulous managers or cyber thieves.

The rich envy those who are richer than they are, so that this can become a competition as to who has the most possessions and along with it, the power that wealth and it’s status can give them in a society where wealth is worshipped.

But here is where the wise words of Jesus come in...

“...he said, “Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”
Then he gave the illustration of the rich farmer who wanted even more that he had.....he commissioned bigger storehouses so that he could put his feet up and relax....

“But God said to him, ‘You fool! You will die this very night. Then who will get everything you worked for?’ “Yes, a person is a fool to store up earthly wealth but not have a rich relationship with God.” (Luke 12:15, 20-21 NLT)

What is the lesson? What does it mean to be “rich” in our “relationship with God”?

Are we to slave for God or riches? Jesus said we cannot do both.

“No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money.”

“So don’t worry about these things, saying, ‘What will we eat? What will we drink? What will we wear?’ These things dominate the thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly Father already knows all your needs. Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.”

“So don’t worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today’s trouble is enough for today.” (Matt 6:24, 32-34 NLT)

Are we to work for the necessities of life....or for the lifestyle that the world promotes?

“Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth. After all, we brought nothing with us when we came into the world, and we can’t take anything with us when we leave it. So if we have enough food and clothing, let us be content.” (1 Tim 6:6-8 NLT)

Contentment is what the world buries under a mountain of discontent....making us always want more.

These are eternal questions in that in our lives they come up constantly. They are not one and done considerations. So, I was reminded of all this from the excerpt below.

It is because we cannot trust the world’s attitude towards money that we have to develop a balanced view of it. It is a necessity but why is it?
Have you ever considered that we are the only species on earth who have to pay to live? Who did that to us, when God gave us the means to live in relative comfort, for free...?

Whose world are we living in? (1John 5:19) And what is God going to do about this situation?

So, what are we to do? Is crypto-currency the answer?

The answer?.....
“Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth. After all, we brought nothing with us when we came into the world, and we can’t take anything with us when we leave it. So if we have enough food and clothing, let us be content.” (1 Tim 6:6-7 NLT)

In a nutshell, no matter what the world is doing...and we know things will get worse....to the point where even ‘a loaf of bread will cost a day’s wages’...

Back in Bible times, a laborer toiled 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, usually for just one denarius for the whole day’s work. How does that compare with our wages today? It can be challenging to compare ancient wages with those of modern times. One way is to consider purchasing power, or what money can buy. One scholar said that in Jesus’ day a loaf of bread made with four cups of wheat flour cost about one hour’s pay. Another scholar says that a cup of good wine cost about two hour’s pay. You can see from these comparisons that people at that time also toiled long and hard to keep living. They needed relief and refreshment, just as we do.

But Jesus’ advice was...
“Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.” (Matt 6:33) God will cater for “needs” but not necessarily all that we “want”.....but what do we have to do to qualify for God’s assistance? Are we doing that? How do we “seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously” in this greedy world?

Do we need the trappings of wealth, or can we be modest and content with “enough”? Jesus was born and raised in a poor family....have we never asked why?

 

[Wrangler]

In a nutshell, no matter what the world is doing...and we know things will get worse....to the point where even a loaf of bread will cost a day’s wages...

Yup. Sad But predictable.

 

[Wrangler]

You know it's really not a big deal, Wrangler.

Yea, I’ll just put you on ignore for making a big deal out of something YOU ADMIT is not a big deal.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Doctrine matters .
Faith in JESUS matters .
My advice get every man , woman and child outta anything attached in any way to any of ecumenicism .
That h ouse be coming down on JESUS day .
As far as money matters , Put not thine heart upon it .
GOD will give us as we have need . No need to wo rry .

@amigo de christo

 

[PinSeeker]

Yea, I’ll just put you on ignore...

I literally cannot tell you how much I don't care. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Wrangler]

As far as money matters , Put not thine heart upon it .

Huh? We are not supposed to Sabbath 7 days per week. What do you suppose human being do 6 days per week when they aren't in Sabbath other than "putting thine heart" into money matters?

 

[amigo de christo]

Huh? We are not supposed to Sabbath 7 days per week. What do you suppose human being do 6 days per week when they aren't in Sabbath other than "putting thine heart" into money matters?

I have to honestly say wrangler that not a word one you just wrote makes sense at all.
How on earth DID you get sabbath or etc outta that .
Take some real friendly advice
and JUST in case you are in any way attached to the paula white led nar realm , GET OUT of it .
Them money mongers have been barking up the wrong tree for years ,
THE MO MONEY tree . Thems wolves every bit as much as is The pope led RCC . and that be a solid fact .

 

[Wrangler]

I have to honestly say wrangler that not a word one you just wrote makes sense at all.

Not an honest attempt to even answer my question. IF you tried to formulate an actual answer, rather than spew your normal anti-interfaith hysteria, understanding could emerge.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Thems wolves every bit as much as is The pope led RCC . and that be a solid fact .

Well, the fact that you subscribe to the doctrines of the RCC is a bit of a worry then….
The trinity…immortal souls….and hellfire….are all Catholic doctrines…not biblical at all, just grafted over certain ambiguous or misunderstood verses.

None are taught be Jesus.
“God is one” not three….(Deut 6:4)…..there is no mention of immortal souls that go anywhere at death….(Eccl 9:5, 10) and hellfire is based on “Gehenna”, (Mark 9:47-48; Matt 23:33) which, if you do some research is not a place of conscious torment at all….it was Jerusalem’s garbage dump where bodies were cast if the person was not considered worthy of a decent burial. It signified no resurrection. Eternal death.

Time for a rethink perhaps?

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, the fact that you subscribe to the doctrines of the RCC is a bit of a worry then….
The trinity…immortal souls….and hellfire….are all Catholic doctrines…not biblical at all, just grafted over certain ambiguous or misunderstood verses.

None are taught be Jesus.
“God is one” not three….(Deut 6:4)…..there is no mention of immortal souls that go anywhere at death….(Eccl 9:5, 10) and hellfire is based on “Gehenna”, (Mark 9:47-48; Matt 23:33) which, if you do some research is not a place of conscious torment at all….it was Jerusalem’s garbage dump where bodies were cast if the person was not considered worthy of a decent burial. It signified no resurrection. Eternal death.

Time for a rethink perhaps?

concering the God head , even a brock clock can be right twice a day .
But it sure aint me heading into the big ol ecumeincal love tree . EVEN more and massive more of JW
are selling out to the false love train . You all are guilty of the very thing you accuse
the that harlot of herself . For her children cry we heed the God appointed popes and etc
YOU ALL sit under YA WATCHTOWER . its like watching hyprocrisy go boom boom boom .
So yeah , i agree IT IS TIME for a rethink .
FOR YOU , and for us all . IF ANYONE is in any way a ttached to a false judge not correct not card , SHUT IT DOWN NOW
cause it will lead you r ight into the false love train . BIBLE UP . or in your case Get anotehr bible and BIBLE UP .
TIME we stop trusting in world wise men who claimed they KNEW GREEK by GOD
or any man who hollers their so called scholary cry of ye need to know our greek and or sit under our men
TO know The bible . PLEASE i aint heeding a word one outta their lips , and i advise YOU DONT e ither .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, the fact that you subscribe to the doctrines of the RCC is a bit of a worry then….
The trinity…immortal souls….and hellfire….are all Catholic doctrines…not biblical at all, just grafted over certain ambiguous or misunderstood verses.

None are taught be Jesus.
“God is one” not three….(Deut 6:4)…..there is no mention of immortal souls that go anywhere at death….(Eccl 9:5, 10) and hellfire is based on “Gehenna”, (Mark 9:47-48; Matt 23:33) which, if you do some research is not a place of conscious torment at all….it was Jerusalem’s garbage dump where bodies were cast if the person was not considered worthy of a decent burial. It signified no resurrection. Eternal death.

Time for a rethink perhaps?

remember when said they crept into all denominations . Well , ALL meant YOURS TOO sistah .
I been watching that watchtower and the jw becoming more and more influenced by it .
ONLY they dont realize it , cause its not being sold to them AS ECUMENICAL .
I told you teh harlot is very diverse and she know how to sell a harlots love
SHE LIKE a chameleon . Ya leaders SOLD YOU ALL OUT
just like the much of the p rotestant realm has sold its own out .
WE bedda bible up
and stop ac ting LIKE our men , our popes , our watchtowers and our etcs
BE THE MEN OF GOD .
cause i am telling us THEY DUPEING EVERY LAST One of ya .
ITs even infiltrated the SDA . again it dont come in using the name ecumenicalism .
And always the leaven begins smaller but then grows .
WE being duped , decieved by deadly deranged deluled false lovers of a god they know NOTHIN G about .
Hollering all day GOD is love but know neither GOD OR HIS Love .
I tell us all , WE HAS BEEN INFILTRATED . the devil is wise indeed and if our hope and t rust be in men
PREPARE TO FALL . HOPE IN GOD ALL MIGHTY , IN CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, the fact that you subscribe to the doctrines of the RCC is a bit of a worry then….
The trinity…immortal souls….and hellfire….are all Catholic doctrines…not biblical at all, just grafted over certain ambiguous or misunderstood verses.

None are taught be Jesus.
“God is one” not three….(Deut 6:4)…..there is no mention of immortal souls that go anywhere at death….(Eccl 9:5, 10) and hellfire is based on “Gehenna”, (Mark 9:47-48; Matt 23:33) which, if you do some research is not a place of conscious torment at all….it was Jerusalem’s garbage dump where bodies were cast if the person was not considered worthy of a decent burial. It signified no resurrection. Eternal death.

Time for a rethink perhaps?

you ready more and more to have that ol unity aint ya .
THE NAR realm is a pit of vipers . but let me guess , OH DONT JUDGE
they men and women of GOD , maybe have a few t hings messed up .
NOPE they wolves in wool sister .
That aint me judging , ITs a fact .
THE RCC is pit of vipers .
That aint me judging , ITs a fact.
But even now you might be feeling the tug saying
HEY WE ALL brethren ,judge not . IF SO , CEASE IT NOW .
Bet you might even be pondering on common ground huh ......
HOPE NOT that is another leg into the delusion .
And many are its legs . I told us teh WHORE knows how to sell her love .
She knows how to seduce one . And she sits high over most all of even the protesetant realm now .
EVEN over the false religoins she does sit and crys
COME to and let us have common ground . SHE A WHORE and has sold even chrisetedom the lie that many now
are even beginning to buy . We better watch OUT .