Moses

[Muna]

Jesus indicates what they saw was a vision here

Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

 

[Fred J]

Could it be that Moses was resurrected? ....after all, he was seen talking with Jesus as was Elijah on the Mt of Transfiguration.
If this is the case, no wonder Moses' grave was never found or will never be found just as Jesus' grave will never be found.

....and yes, Elijah was bodily taken to heaven....why not Moses.....just as we will when Jesus returns.

You've got a very strong point there, that if Moses was resurrected, his body definitely cannot be found right?

We know there're 24 elders in Heaven, and Moses and Elijah could be among them, the patriarchs of Israel?

Or Moses and Elijah could have just come out of their graves, as like Prophet Samuel did because of king Saul?

Nevertheless, the point of the thread is, Moses 'body' was found, and where can we read about it in the Holy Bible?

Thank you

 

[David Lamb]

Where does the scripture say about this?

Be patience, you have the scripture, you don't see and perceive, when it's written there.

Or probably you've Google searched i guess to get the answer.

Again to make it clear, there are two individual or witnesses, who found the body.

And, there's one individual or witness who proclaimed about it and is written and compiled in the Holy Bible.

This not a game but for real, only those who pay close attention to the scripture will find it.

Friends??

I am not sure what I said that caused you to reply that way. I never suggested that discussing these matters was some kind or game, or that I have any unfriendliness toward you. My response concerned these words of yours: "Scripturally Moses' body was found by two individuals, and a witness to proclaim it, and is written down in the Holy Bible." All I am trying to ask you is: 1) Where does Scripture mention that the body of Moses was found by two individuals? And 2) Who is "the witness to proclaim it"?

 

[Fred J]

Jesus indicates what they saw was a vision here

Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Impressive!

As Truly shown us, the scripture reads, 'vision'.

But it can be a true 'vision', seen 'spiritually' on the other 'spiritual dimension' perhaps?

Thank you

 

[Fred J]

I am not sure what I said that caused you to reply that way. I never suggested that discussing these matters was some kind or game, or that I have any unfriendliness toward you. My response concerned these words of yours: "Scripturally Moses' body was found by two individuals, and a witness to proclaim it, and is written down in the Holy Bible." All I am trying to ask you is: 1) Where does Scripture mention that the body of Moses was found by two individuals? And 2) Who is "the witness to proclaim it"?

Don't get me wrong and you've got it all wrong, you're not to be blamed for anything, you've been 'polite', peace be with you in Jesus name.

Am making a point that am not playing games but am for real about this subject, since am 'stretching' the conversation a bit and not get to the point.

Apparently you've got the answer but you don't 'see' it., that's why am think you probably Google searched.

Thank you

 

[Muna]

Impressive!

As Truly shown us, the scripture reads, 'vision'.

But it can be a true 'vision', seen 'spiritually' on the other 'spiritual dimension' perhaps?

Thank you

It is not an uncommon thing, for instance Hosea tells us

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

On that mount was Moses who I believe represented the law and Elijah the prophets, and the vision of all was going to fold up (so to speak) in Jesus Christ. When Peter voiced wanting to build something according to the patern seen in the mount (as Moses was shown) the Father told them to hear His Son (Jesus) because this is going to be about a tablernacle the Lord will pitch (and not man this time). And when they looked up in this vision the two who spake of Jesus decease in Jerusalem vanished from the vision. It was Jesus alone so I believe that was a vision showing us that Jesus was fulfilled them.

Edit:typo

 

[Fred J]

It is not an uncommon thing, for instance Hosea tells us

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

On that mount was Moses who I believe represented the law and Elijah the prophets, and the vision of all was going to fold up (so to speak) in Jesus Christ. When Peter voiced wanting to build something according to the patern seen in the mount (as Moses was shown) the Father told them to hear His Son (Jesus) because this is going to be about a tablernacle the Lord will pitch (and not man this time). And when they looked up in this vision the two who spake of Jesus decease in Jerusalem vanished from the vision. It was Jesus alone so I believe that was a vision showing us that Jesus was fulfilled them.

Edit:typo

Ah....... yes, i get your point, thank you.

The 'Transfiguration' is a true event that happened in the 'light' of the 'spiritual dimension' here on earth.

Where GOD too enable John, Peter and James, giving them for that moment 'spiritual sight' to witness such a glorious event.

As Moses and Elijah were sent by GOD to 'comfort' Jesus, as since His hour to drink from that 'cup' is very near, and is 'nerve-racking'.

Friends, you're able to read about the same 'enabling' by GOD in 2 Kings 6:17.

Rest assured, GOD is the 'minister' of HIS 'every word that proceeded out of HIS mouth', and not me a mere unworthy 'vessel' and 'servant'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

The 'Transfiguration' is a true event that happened in the 'light' of the 'spiritual dimension' here on earth.

Where GOD too enable John, Peter and James, giving them for that moment 'spiritual sight' to witness such a glorious event.

As Moses and Elijah were sent by GOD to 'comfort' Jesus, as since His hour to drink from that 'cup' is very near, and is 'nerve-racking'.

Friends, you're able to read about the same 'enabling' by GOD in 2 Kings 6:17.

To put it plain, there's that carnal 'insight' and 'sight' towards the things of the world and satan.

And there's that spiritual 'insight ' and 'sight' towards the things of Heaven and GOD.

Example of spiritual 'insight', is when Peter answered Jesus saying, 'You are Christ Son of the Living GOD.'

Jesus said that, Peter did not know this on his own, but His FATHER in Heaven have revealed this to him.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[David Lamb]

Don't get me wrong and you've got it all wrong, you're not to be blamed for anything, you've been 'polite', peace be with you in Jesus name.

Am making a point that am not playing games but am for real about this subject, since am 'stretching' the conversation a bit and not get to the point.

Apparently you've got the answer but you don't 'see' it., that's why am think you probably Google searched.

Thank you

Thank you for those reassuring words - I had been thinking that you were accusing me of playing games.

I didn't Google anything. I did a search on my bible software program for bible verses which include the two words "body" and Moses", and there is just one, but it says nothing about anybody discovering the body. You say that apparently I have the answer. The only answer I have from the bible is that nobody has found the body of Moses. Thanks again for replying.

 

[Rockerduck]

Some of the Greek manuscripts say "they" buried Moses. Indicating the Trinity.

 

[Muna]

Ah....... yes, i get your point, thank you.

The 'Transfiguration' is a true event that happened in the 'light' of the 'spiritual dimension' here on earth.

Where GOD too enable John, Peter and James, giving them for that moment 'spiritual sight' to witness such a glorious event.

As Moses and Elijah were sent by GOD to 'comfort' Jesus, as since His hour to drink from that 'cup' is very near, and is 'nerve-racking'.

Friends, you're able to read about the same 'enabling' by GOD in 2 Kings 6:17.

Rest assured, GOD is the 'minister' of HIS 'every word that proceeded out of HIS mouth', and not me a mere unworthy 'vessel' and 'servant'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

And you know Fed J similarly, the vision given Saul (who had others in his company when he received it) had also experienced "somewhat" in relation to the same but was very much limited from Paul's own experience

With Peter, James and John (which all saw the same thing)

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Paul and them which journeyed with them (which were not given to understand what they experienced)

Acts 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

Same descriptions of Jesus here

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Here its says

Exodus 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever.

However, it does say this

Ephes 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after

Similarly, on the Mount Moses also appeared with Jesus (and three apostles as witnesses)

Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

So, this was like a transfer of power (so to speak) to Jesus Christ the Son of God (of whom they bear witness)

Mark 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

Who is the righteousness of God without the law being witnesses by the law (Moses) and the prophets (Elijah)

Mark 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

Because this is where he is declared to be the Son of God with power

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Moses and Elijah appearing in this vision with him are shown as doing nothing more than speaking of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem (Reminds me of Luke 24:25-27 also), which Jesus went on to fulfill, But I am curious, the reason they are charged not to tell anyone concerning the vision had more to do with Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament being of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

Which is probably way off topic of where Moses dead body is buried. So I will leave this alone.

 

[Fred J]

Friends,

We read that Moses died and the Lord buried him, and no man know where his sepulchre is.

Now Biblically was his body ever been found by any one?

Thank you and shalom in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth

Friends, let's not get ahead of ourselves and argue about words.

For what am about to share are in plain and understandable English, as well as the scripture inspired by GOD.

Where is profitable for a 'learned' and 'unlearned' to study and understand to the 'letter', thank you.

Deuteronomy 34:
6. And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

Here we read and is the truth, Glory be alone to GOD in Jesus name, that apparently no man know about Moses' grave.

And neither did GOD allow 'any man' to 'discover' nor 'find' his grave and body at any time.

Jude 1:
9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

In plain English, the 'body of Moses' was 'discovered' or 'found', as 'two individuals' were 'disputing' about his body.

These two individuals are 'angels' and 'not man', one from the realm of 'Light' while the other from the realm of 'darkness'.

Most probably satan who roams the earth and have authority over it, forbade Michael the archangel to take the body of Moses.

Now who's the witness who proclaimed such an 'insight' he's received, for it is written down and compiled in the Holy Bible?

'Jude', whom i believe the half-brother of Jesus who probably later became a believer and follower of Jesus, like big brother James.

But the 'moral' of including such a story by Jude, is to correct the whole church, of some individuals who carelessly despise dominion and talk evil of 'dignities'.

For GOD's character even from the Old Testament is the same, that if one Israelite sin, is as the whole nation of Israelites sinned and punishable.

That's why GOD expects HIS truth abiding 'elders', to deal themselves with unabiding to the truth members of the church.

Example, like Paul who addressed strictly the whole church who put up with some 'immoral' individual, sleeping with his father's wife.

To the point of making a judgement on that individual, as to deliver him over to satan for the destruction of the flesh.

Matthew 16:
26. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

This come to mind, 'Gain the whole world'?

Ironically to the precise moral law of GOD, even if a man can 'imagine' that he's in bed with the Miss Universe.

Imagination as gaining the whole earth, but as a result, he has committed 'adultery' within his heart.

And is required of satan for the destruction of the flesh, and as also losing one's 'soul' in hell fire.

Please take note that the Spirit of GOD had made me 'add' these to the 'list' as well, thank you.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Friends, just for thought, why did Michael the archangel came to take or claim the body of Moses on earth?

His body was in the grave and probably did not 'decay', because the dispute was for the body and not bones.

Is Moses to be waken up from his sleep and with his body taken up to Heaven, as to be part of the 24 elder patriarchs of Israel in Heaven?

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ