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Triumph1300

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Here's something I picked up at TheChristians.com Web Journal (An Alberta, Canada publication.)

For half a million years, children were a necessity, a duty and a pleasure – more or less in that order… Children were essential to replenish the tribe and contribute to the collective good. They were a source of labour and a guaranteed old-age plan. They were a way to honour God, to replicate your genes, and to perpetuate the family name.”

“But now, they are basically a lifestyle choice. And they compete with many other lifestyles, such as being a celebrated author. Children are not vessels for the altruistic investments of adults. They are means for the self-actualization of adults. Nor can you count on them as productive assets. They represent 25 years, or possibly a lifetime, of sunk costs, with an uncertain return. And now that women have found satisfying lives outside the home, the awful truth has begun to dawn: The maternal instinct can be overcome surprisingly easily.”

The results of this current rejection of motherhood are in themselves statistically shocking. “People used to think,” notes Ms. Wente, (the writer) “that fertility rates would bottom out once they reached replacement level, which is roughly 2.1 births for each woman. Instead, they just kept going down. Today, Canada’s fertility rate is a miserable 1.6. Italy is at 1.4, Brazil at 1.9, Denmark at 1.7, Germany at 1.4, while Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are below 1.4. Unless these countries can persuade women to have more children (or encourage massive immigration), they’ll go broke. And then they’ll go extinct.”

Ms. Wente does not exempt herself as an instance of the ultimate cause of this foreseeable disaster. She writes: “I took my sweet time to settle on a mate because I too was fond of my career. By the time I got around to contemplating my options, they were gone. Childlessness wasn’t a choice, really. It was more or less an accident, just as it was for millions of other women who had no idea they were creating what the scholars call a ‘demographic transition.’ ”

(Mrs Wente writes for the Globe and Mail)
 
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Helen

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Thanks for that...interesting read.
Yes, how sad.
For the sake of a comment here...
In one way ...if the writer has it correct...children have always been a convenience then. " To work in the field" or " keep the tribe going and growing" So, 'back then', it was never for love or companionship , any more than it is today!!!
Today the majority have then and then dump them in child-care....'back-then' they would have them and dump them in the fields or factories to work.
It seems that back then they were accident than choice....just like today!!!
 

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I have no idea why God dealt with us so, my wife and I. For 14 years her womb remained closed. I was saved then and He began to tell us of the son He was sending to us. Over a long long period He did many things. First He placed a two week old baby boy, Joshua with us. He told us we were not to keep him but were to give him up to another childless couple. A couple not married nearly so long as Martha and I. After six months with Joshua and no one making us we took him abd handed him over to the couple God had shown us. We were so lonely but believed God had spoken. Others doubted...

While waiting on His promise He gave us dreams, visions and scriptures pertaining to His promise. R. W. Schambach came and preached on Abraham and Sarah as we sat in the front row. We looked at each other in amazement.

Yes it came to pass as I've witnessed. We know more than many that there are NO accidents of birth. God alone makes life.

They that kill an innocent unborn child kill a promise of God. When they see this I pity them. It's more than hard to see you've killed a promise. The Lord giveth and they taketh away.
 
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Yes, I watch him also.
Another one I miss is Norval Hayes.
He's still alive but in bad condition.
I saw him preach awhile ago sitting in a chair on the podium.
 

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Yes, I watch him also.
Another one I miss is Norval Hayes.
He's still alive but in bad condition.
I saw him preach awhile ago sitting in a chair on the podium.

I lost respect many years ago.
He had some skin cancers on his back.
He told people that he "got healed", ...but unfortunately a friend of his knew that he had them surgically removed. And then this friend ( because he was disillusioned...) let the cat out of the bag.
Whoops.
 

Triumph1300

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He preached a good sermon.


I hear negative talk about almost all evangelists.
I don't care.

Google for false teachers.
They are all on the list.
The list is 5 miles long.
Satan probably publishes the list. ;-)
 
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He preached a good sermon.


I hear negative talk about almost all evangelists.
I don't care.

Google for false teachers.
They are all on the list.
The list is 5 miles long.
Satan probably publishes the list. ;-)

Haha you could be right.

Trouble is...they all too know or knew the scripture:-

"Abstain for all appearance of evil. " They knew that they should live at a higher spiritual level.

"To whom much is given, much will be required. "

But, I get your drift :)
I have been blessed by things Joyce Meyer has preached over the years...but I would never give to support her lifestyle now.
I think I already bought one of her cars!!!!! :D
 
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Triumph1300

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"Abstain for all appearance of evil. " They knew that they should live at a higher spiritual level.

There might as well be a big neon sign of this in every church.
And then of course the question will be asked: "What is a definition of evil?"

Specially the women.
There seems to be a contest...."How much of my boobs can I show in church?"
 

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He preached a good sermon.


I hear negative talk about almost all evangelists.
I don't care.

Google for false teachers.
They are all on the list.
The list is 5 miles long.
Satan probably publishes the list. ;-)
Yes indeed! God spoke through a donkey. He also spoke through Balaam and through the High Priest who conspired with others to have Jesus killed.

God spoke through the unnamed prophet [I Kings 13] who was sent out of Judah to Jeroboam the king of the northern 10 tribes and then he disobeyed God and was slain by a lion. His message was a prophecy that was fulfilled over 300 years later [II Kings 23:17] in spite of his disobedience.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23

Yes, some have been used of God to deliver His message and then they sinned against God. This does not nullify the message.
Then again consider the ones who walked away from God and then returned to Him. Isn't this what read about Jimmy Swaggert?
 
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Yes, some have were used of God to deliver His message and then they sinned against God. This does not nullify the message.
Then again consider the ones who walked away from God and then returned to Him. Isn't this what read about Jimmy Swaggert?

Exactly.
 

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A friend of mine, a Christian fellow, phones me once a week and it's always about "This ministry is haywire" - "That church is wrong" - "That guys preaching is faulty" - and on and on. After awhile you get sick of it. Why can't people focus on the positives? And he always has health problems.
 
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I'm guessing here but I suspect that if we knew all the details of the disciples and apostles we'd be discouraged in reading their epistles.

I read a lot into the scripture portion... "and the sin which so easily besets us..." surely the writer was shaking his head at the remembrance of his failures to live up to perfection and before God.

Swaggert and the prostitute thing that happened at least twice. If everyone saw my failings would I be cast aside. Christians shooting their own wounded is a saying close to truth.

Many ministers are placed on a pedestle then cast aside when they fail. I've see enough of my own failures that judgements from my court are far fewer than they used to be.