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Must Read - Christianity Vs Islam - False Prophet

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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most Merciful(thesuperjag)
    James 1:26 - If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
    Dear thesuperjag, I do want to explain what i understand in Islam regarding on your statement above, and because of that, may i know what is your purpose by giving those verse regarding to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ?
    Philippians 2:8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
    [url="http://www.answering-islam.com/psalm_22.htm]http://www.answering-islam.com/psalm_22.htm[/url]
    John 9:35 - Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?John 10:34-36 - Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
    John 10 was related with Psalms, if you read the written word that Jesus gave above in the Psalms, then you will understand what does Jesus mean with Son Of God, that is the justice judge and it was human being appreciated from God for theire close relationship with God.
    I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    NIV :1 John5:7. For there are three that testify, (there isn't any word that saying three of them was one)Source : [url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=69&chapter=5&version=31]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...er=5&version=31[/url]Does Jesus was His real son ? Or there are a lot of Son of God ? If the phrase son of God was only idiom to whom the one who close to God then that's nothing wrong with the term 'son of God'. But if the one(human) considered that Jesus was indeed son of God directly different from other son of God that often mention in OT, then that is what God reject on Islam Faith.The perception mention about son of God that has a falsely meaning according to Islam is like the one who done such of think which i show the link that discuss it http://www.answering-christianity.com/worship_mary.htm.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    James 1:26 - If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
    Dear thesuperjag, I do want to explain what i understand in Islam regarding on your statement above, and because of that, may i know what is your purpose by giving those verse regarding to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ?First of all, when religion is being found by man...Religion speakest lies. Do you know who is the founder of Truth? It is God himself. YHWH, himself gave us truth. Not Allah...Just pointing out that man creates a religion...the religion becomes vain.(Ricky W)
    (thesuperjag)
    Philippians 2:8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
    [url="http://www.answering-islam.com/psalm_22.htm]http://www.answering-islam.com/psalm_22.htm[/url]I rather stick with His Words. Not mankind's words. To be honest, mankind can not teach truth. The Holy Ghost which is the Comforter, shall teach us truth.(Ricky W)
    (thesuperjag)
    John 9:35 - Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?John 10:34-36 - Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
    John 10 was related with Psalms, if you read the written word that Jesus gave above in the Psalms, then you will understand what does Jesus mean with Son Of God, that is the justice judge and it was human being appreciated from God for theire close relationship with God.May I ask you a question? Do you believe in what Lord Jesus's Words, Him saying that He is the Son of God? Would you believe the Word of God, or the words that came from mankind?(Ricky W)
    (thesuperjag)
    I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    NIV :1 John5:7. For there are three that testify, (there isn't any word that saying three of them was one)Source : [url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...r=5&version=31]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...r=5&version=31[/url]Does Jesus was His real son ? Or there are a lot of Son of God ? If the phrase son of God was only idiom to whom the one who close to God then that's nothing wrong with the term 'son of God'. But if the one(human) considered that Jesus was indeed son of God directly different from other son of God that often mention in OT, then that is what God reject on Islam Faith.The perception mention about son of God that has a falsely meaning according to Islam is like the one who done such of think which i show the link that discuss it http://www.answering-christianity.com/worship_mary.htm.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows BestYes, Jesus is the Son of God, and yet there are many sons of God (No gender apply) God created the angels and us. In fact, we humans are made in His image. By the way, we worship Lord Jesus to the glory of God the Father. We don't worship Mary, and we shouldn't cause it is against The Ten Commandments which YHWH gave us.About the I John 5:7 scripture, try using the King James Version.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    All moslems believe and trust that Ieshua (pbuh) was born from Mary the Virgin. And it is true that all moslems must believe that it was one of the miracle that God (Allah) has given to Ieshua(pbuh), please note that, God giving to him(not came by itself).If you not mind to be corrected, God doesn't born Ieshua(pbuh), it is a virgin Mary who born Ieshua(pbuh).So how many men on earth you know that are born of a VIRGIN ? Who can cause this to happen?Isn't it in Islam that the breed is known by the father, that is THE ONLY reason a muslim woman is not allowed to marry an 'ahle-kitab' (poeple who share the same book as per Islam only). Can you explain me the concept of blood line?In Islam a child is known by a mother or the father? Why is it that a man can marry 4 times in Islam and not the woman? And PLEASE don't go off topic by explaining me about Islam and bringing in more issues from here and there. Stick to the point and answer my questions in the exact sequence !Event him self often to call him self as Son of man and that was inform in your literature in the NT. Then the same question it's should be appear on you too amy, so how can Ieshua(pbuh) call him self as son of man, meanwhile not born of man but God ?KJV Matthew 8:20And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.Matthew 9:6But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.etc, there are more then 20 word that saying that he(pbuh) claimed him self to be Son of man.Such ways to twist the scriptures !!! Read the whole chapter if you care to know who is refered to as son of man. As in my reply to you in other thread, read BIBLE 3 times before you come with such hallucinations so you may understand what is said in what context !!!How many sons of man you know off who has risen people from death (let alone the fact that he rose from death HIMSELF), healed leporcy, lame and blind? Hypocrisy ? Then you are calling your 'God' as hypocrisy as well my dear friend amy [​IMG].I am calling your Religion a Hypocrisy, a propoganda of Muhammed.To begin with I don't believe in who you call Allah !!! Please don't take it personally, my fight is not with you for reference read my signature.Because it related on the monotheist of God itself. In the OT it is clearly describe how God is not human nor has human behaviour.OT also predicts about the coming of Jesus, clearly. Care to concentrate on that??? True God is not human but he came to this world in humanly form to wash away our sins and reform the broken link between HIM and mankind ! And one another think, it is very easily to God to create creature from one parent, event without parent God can create creature easily. Then how come the creature that being create through one parent can considered as God meanwhile without parent also God able to do such of think. So it is not hypocrisy, amy [​IMG]. Or perhaps you are the one who are hypocrisy ? If there is creature who born without father considered as God, how Adam that come without any parent cannot be considered as God ?Like I said, before, how many creatures you know off that are born of VIRGINS? What was the need of it? The need was that any other human is a sinner from birth, before birth due to the sin of Adam and Eve. The sin travels down the ladder. But God is not Sin so he came into this world through a Virgin to purify that is why we don't need to sacrifice a poor lamb every where like it is done in Islam. Between adman was son of God Luke 3:38Read: Romans 1:3; Romans 6:11; Romans 6:23; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 1 Corinthians 7:25
     
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    Yes, Jesus is the Son of God, and yet there are many sons of God (No gender apply) God created the angels and us. In fact, we humans are made in His image. By the way, we worship Lord Jesus to the glory of God the Father. We don't worship Mary, and we shouldn't cause it is against The Ten Commandments which YHWH gave us.About the I John 5:7 scripture, try using the King James Version.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    Very Well said Jag :blessyou:Christianity is not a religion it is a RELATIONSHIP :shepard: We all are his HIS children :cross2: That is why the opening line in the Prayer given to us by Jesus say:''Our FATHER who Art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name...''
     
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    Matthew 9:6But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
    Here is the chapter from the start:1And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city. 2And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. 3And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. 4And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? 5For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? 6But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. If your english was good or your mind was open you would know that Jesus was replying to the scribers who that that HIM being the Son of Man is Blasphemeth as Jesus said to the man: ''your sins are forgiven''. If you further breakdown this, who can forgive sins??? Only God and therefore, the scribers thought Jesus was Blasphemeth. This verse that you so naively quoted here is a proof in it self that HE was not the son of Man because HE had the power to forgive sins !!!SO DON'T TWIST WHAT YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ FROM THE START AND STOP PICKING VERSES RANDOMLY.
     
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    KJV Matthew 8:20And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
    Again, I request you to Read the whole chapter AT LEAST if not the whole Bible! Here is some verses earlier to the verse you quoted here, to clear your concept:18Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side. 19And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 20And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. 21And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 22But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. 23And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him. Again, Jesus is refering to the scribers who wanted to follow him and HE is refereing to them as: ''the Son of man hath not where to lay his head'' . Here Jesus confirms that for man there is no refuge but GOD Himself.
     
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    Amy...thank you for the posts. I throughly enjoyed it...Becuse it spoke truth, about these false religion. (I read some of it) :blessyou:
    Dear Jag,You are more than welcome and I will try to impart as much knowledge as I have to help people gain and find Truth for themselves. So stay tuned :shepard:Between, I know this is lenghty but I suggest to take out time and read it in bits. It will increase your knowledge.:blessyou:
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most Merciful(thesuperjag)
    First of all, when religion is being found by man...Religion speakest lies. Do you know who is the founder of Truth? It is God himself. YHWH, himself gave us truth. Not Allah...Just pointing out that man creates a religion...the religion becomes vain.
    Sura 47(Muhammad):[47:2] Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment[47:3] This is because those who disbelieve are following falsehood, while those who believe are following the truth from their Lord. GOD thus cites for the people their examplesIf you saying that not from Allah, then you must denying this verse at arabic bible version, that your own website agree with it [​IMG].Genesis 1:3 أَمَرَ اللهُ source : [url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&version=28]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...er=1&version=28[/url]Genesis 1:3(KJV) And God(the arabic writings is like what it's written above-the saying is Allah)said.[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201%20;&version=9;]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...%20;&version=9;[/url]And the comparison of the writings you can see at this linkhttp://www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/sura112.html see at no.2 and see the meaningWith this, i do hope you are understand now regarding on Allah word mean.By the way the thesuperjag, regarding on your statemen, in that case, christian is not from God, because it out from Paul(man) mouth not God, because Jesus nor God Him self doesn't say anything about christian religion.And regarding on prophet Muhammad (pbuh), where do you have such of the thinking that Muhammad was the founder of Islam. Of course i know who is founder of Truth, who else if not God(He who cannot be seen by any one eyes which who saw Him would die). Which verse in the noble Quran nor Sunnah that told that Islam was found by him (pbuh) ? I would like be glad to explain to you if you have the verse that profing your though [​IMG].
    I rather stick with His Words. Not mankind's words. To be honest, mankind can not teach truth. The Holy Ghost which is the Comforter, shall teach us truth.
    Do you think what is prophet Muhammad(pbuh) brought was by him self ? Now take a look what Quran has given to answering your question.Sura Muhammad(47):2. Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.And regarding on your statement above do you mean Torah that has been revealed to Moses was not the truth, because he the one who teach the torah to Jews ?Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) has said the same word as Jesus did by saying : "...the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:10)"
    May I ask you a question? Do you believe in what Lord Jesus's Words, Him saying that He is the Son of God? Would you believe the Word of God, or the words that came from mankind?
    I'm taking the interpretation from God in Psalms regarding on son of God, which Jesus refered to. Not mankind, but the writings of bible it self.
    Yes, Jesus is the Son of God, and yet there are many sons of God (No gender apply) God created the angels and us. In fact, we humans are made in His image. By the way, we worship Lord Jesus to the glory of God the Father. We don't worship Mary, and we shouldn't cause it is against The Ten Commandments which YHWH gave us.
    In here i just to give you an explaination and comparison which does son of God that not prohibited in Islam faith mean.
    About the I John 5:7 scripture, try using the King James Version.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    Yes i know that, but i give a different view which appeard on your scholars it self, that there isn't any of that word which appeard on KJV. Now the question is, who is lying to God Words ? Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulSura 47(Muhammad):[47:2] Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment[47:3] This is because those who disbelieve are following falsehood, while those who believe are following the truth from their Lord. GOD thus cites for the people their examplesIf you saying that not from Allah, then you must denying this verse at arabic bible version, that your own website agree with it [​IMG].Genesis 1:3 أَمَرَ اللهُ source : [url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&version=28]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...er=1&version=28[/url]Genesis 1:3(KJV) And God(the arabic writings is like what it's written above-the saying is Allah)said.[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201%20;&version=9;]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...%20;&version=9;[/url]And the comparison of the writings you can see at this linkhttp://www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/sura112.html see at no.2 and see the meaningWith this, i do hope you are understand now regarding on Allah word mean.By the way the thesuperjag, regarding on your statemen, in that case, christian is not from God, because it out from Paul(man) mouth not God, because Jesus nor God Him self doesn't say anything about christian religion.And regarding on prophet Muhammad (pbuh), where do you have such of the thinking that Muhammad was the founder of Islam. Of course i know who is founder of Truth, who else if not God(He who cannot be seen by any one eyes which who saw Him would die). Which verse in the noble Quran nor Sunnah that told that Islam was found by him (pbuh) ? I would like be glad to explain to you if you have the verse that profing your though [​IMG].Do you think what is prophet Muhammad(pbuh) brought was by him self ? Now take a look what Quran has given to answering your question.Sura Muhammad(47):2. Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.And regarding on your statement above do you mean Torah that has been revealed to Moses was not the truth, because he the one who teach the torah to Jews ?Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) has said the same word as Jesus did by saying : "...the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:10)"I'm taking the interpretation from God in Psalms regarding on son of God, which Jesus refered to. Not mankind, but the writings of bible it self.In here i just to give you an explaination and comparison which does son of God that not prohibited in Islam faith mean.Yes i know that, but i give a different view which appeard on your scholars it self, that there isn't any of that word which appeard on KJV. Now the question is, who is lying to God Words ? Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    Dear Ricky,As much as you wanted me to study the links you have given here, You yourself didn't bother to study the link I have given here. Lots of your questions asked here has its answers there. By just reading it won't make you a sinner but it might broaden your horizon. I insist Please read @ [url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url]On a brief note 'Yahweh' is the true name of our God (mentioned more than 6000 times in the Bible) yet we call him God and Lord and so on. The word Allah is the literal translation of God in Arabic. it dose not mean we believe in the same God, call it a language barrier !You sound naive when you insist that we believe in the same Allah. Even the arabic version of Bible says that Allah had a Son. So you see my friend we don't believe in the same god, it's just the language [​IMG]
     
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    (Ricky W;16121)
    Do you think what is prophet Muhammad(pbuh) brought was by him self ? Now take a look what Quran has given to answering your question.Sura Muhammad(47):2. Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.And regarding on your statement above do you mean Torah that has been revealed to Moses was not the truth, because he the one who teach the torah to Jews ?Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) has said the same word as Jesus did by saying : "...the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:10)"
    Dear Ricky,Yes we believe that it brought was by him self .The explanation can be read in the link I provided here. Specifically this part:''At the age of 20 Muhammad was hired by a wealthy woman named Khadija (or Khadeejah) to manage her late husband's caravan business. When Muhammad was 25 he married Khadija; six children were born to them, but only one survived to adulthood; his beloved daughter Fatima. While in the caravan business Muhammad happened to make many journeys to Syria and Palestine. During this time Muhammad became acquainted with both Jews and Christians. Later, the monk-like Muhammad would cause things to be written in the Koran about both Jewish and Christian history, which shows that Muhammad did not possess an intellect befitting a historian. It has also been thought that Muhammad could not read or write. In fact, the Qur'an says Muhammad was illiterate (Ummi) in Sura 7:157. These Qur'an (Koran) entries you will see below are marred with gross errors and inattention to detail. This marriage to the much older Khadija, who was then 40 years old and who already had been married twice proved very fortunate to Muhammad. Muhammad suddenly became equal to the richest men in Mecca. While married to Khadija Muhammad did not marry any other wife. However, after she died, Muhammad would show no restraint in his self gratification for lust with multiple wives, slaves, captives, and even his own adoptive son Zaid's wife. Khadija gave Muhammad two sons, both of whom died young. They both also had 4 daughters together. Their names were Rockeya, Kolthum, Zeinale, and Fatima.''Therfore you find similarities as Muhammed was influenced by his company.
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most Merciful(Amy)
    Here is the chapter from the start:1And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city. 2And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. 3And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. 4And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? 5For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? 6But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. If your english was good or your mind was open you would know that Jesus was replying to the scribers who that that HIM being the Son of Man is Blasphemeth as Jesus said to the man: ''your sins are forgiven''. If you further breakdown this, who can forgive sins??? Only God and therefore, the scribers thought Jesus was Blasphemeth. SO DON'T TWIST WHAT YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ FROM THE START AND STOP PICKING VERSES RANDOMLY.
    Alright then amy [​IMG], thank you for your remind. I'll remember your advise [​IMG]. And i'm not trying to twisted yours, but i'm questioning again your question below.Lets take a look what word that has you gave to me before :
    How can you call such a child ''Son of Man'' (as per your link) who was not born of Man but God?
    Because of that question, then i gave you Jesus statement that claimed he was son of man. Now regarding on your question, how are you going answer your own question ?Now, to be clear why i'm giving those verse, i will ask you a question, to whom does the word Son of man refering to ?I must admitted that my English is not too good, but i am open minded (insya Allah). If regarding on the Bible, i have my mother language bible, so if you saying Bible in english language, i will understand what you meant regarding on my mother language bible.
    This verse that you so naively quoted here is a proof in it self that HE was not the son of Man because HE had the power to forgive sins !!!
    If that so, i will ask you a question, who is the man so call son of Man in the Matthew 9:6 ? If Jesus was not son of Man, then why he using word son of Man in that verse ?Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    Comparison between Muhammad and Jesus (Isa)Jesus is God (John 1, Col. 1) and here. Jesus forgave sins and dispelled demons in His own name. He said "I and the Father are one".Muhammad admitted he is only a man (Sura 18:110) Jesus raised Himself from the dead (Matthew 28:6) and rose into heaven in front of many witnesses. Muhammad remains dead His Birth, Life, Death, Resurrection was foretold by numerous prophets. See here Proverbs 30:4 (written 700 B.C./1300 yrs before Muhammad): "...What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?" Nothing predicted about Muhammad. The "Comforter" was the Holy Spirit Jesus promised the apostles. Jesus lived a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21).Allah himself refers to Muhammad as sinful (Sura 40:55, 48:1-2). Jesus did numerous miracles to prove His divinity, including raising the dead and command over nature (All Gospel writers and Josephus). While teaching his apostles Jesus said; "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves" (John 14:11 and Matthew 9:2-7) On two occasions in the Qur'an Muhammad admitted he could do no miracles to show any sort of divinity or divine calling (Sura 17:90-95; 3:183, also see: 29:50-51) Jesus cared for His enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). Jesus promised to save those who believe and trust in Him. Killed his enemies and anyone who disagreed with him (Sura 9:5) Held a high view of marriage and hated divorce - as God the Father does (Matthew 19:7-8). Muhammad commanded his adopted son to divorce his wife so that she would become his (Sura 33:36-38) Accurately prophesied many verifiable events that took place after His time (Matthew 24). Delivered only one -questionable- guess/prophecy about the Romans winning a future battle. No date or place given. (Sura 30:1-4) Jesus gave his disciples authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness (Matthew 10:1; Mark 6:12-13) Muhammad gave his followers the authority to wage war on unbelievers.Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to unbelievers. (Sura 48:29) Jesus told his disciples not to ask for money, and not to carry money with them. (Matthew 10:8-9, Luke 10:7) Muhammad instructed his followers on how to divide booty they seized from unbelievers. He insisted on 20% for himself. Jesus said to his followers that if anyone will not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. (Matthew 10:14-15, 23) Muhammad ordered Muslims to attack any city that rejected Islam. Jesus told his followers to get ready, because unbelievers would flog them, arrest them, and put them on trial (Matthew 10:16-19) Muhammad told his followers to fight (militarily) hard against unbelievers."Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Sura 9:5. Also see Sura 9:29. Jesus washed his disciples' feet. He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. John 13:4-5, 12-17 One day after battle, Muhammad came back home and said to his daughter Fatima, "Wash the blood from this sword and I swear in the name of Allah this sword was obeying me all the time." Muhammad then took the swords of his friend Ali ibn Abu Talib and washed them for him. Jesus's last message to his followers about himself and his mission:Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:46-47 Muhammad's last speech to his followers on Mt Arafat: ....."I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted."Reference: Ibn Hisham (828 A.D., "The Life of Muhammad", 3rd ed., pt. 6, vol. 3 (Beirut, Lebanon: Dar-al-Jil, 1998), p. 8Please note both Biblical & quranic references for Authenticity.
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulAlright then amy [​IMG], thank you for your remind. I'll remember your advise [​IMG]. And i'm not trying to twisted yours, but i'm questioning again your question below.Lets take a look what word that has you gave to me before :Because of that question, then i gave you Jesus statement that claimed he was son of man. Now regarding on your question, how are you going answer your own question ?Now, to be clear why i'm giving those verse, i will ask you a question, to whom does the word Son of man refering to ?I must admitted that my English is not too good, but i am open minded (insya Allah). If regarding on the Bible, i have my mother language bible, so if you saying Bible in english language, i will understand what you meant regarding on my mother language bible.If that so, i will ask you a question, who is the man so call son of Man in the Matthew 9:6 ? If Jesus was not son of Man, then why he using word son of Man in that verse ?Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    I have told you already Ricky who are they refering to, have no more words to emphasis on simple facts.Regarding Matthew 9:6 I have also answered it. Read ! The son of man was what the scribers believed Jesus to be in their minds but Jesus could read thoughts so he answered them with an open question, can son of man Forgive sins? Meaning there by NO ! Meaning thereby that HE is not son of Man. Read the whole chapter so that you may understand the context and who is being refered ! It's a conversation, one can not suddenly bump into it before you actually follow the whole conservation or can one?Looking forward to your answers to my other questions about Islam and blood line.
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most Merciful(Amy)
    Comparison between Muhammad and Jesus (Isa)Jesus is God (John 1, Col. 1) and here. Jesus forgave sins and dispelled demons in His own name. He said "I and the Father are one".Muhammad admitted he is only a man (Sura 18:110) Jesus raised Himself from the dead (Matthew 28:6) and rose into heaven in front of many witnesses. Muhammad remains dead His Birth, Life, Death, Resurrection was foretold by numerous prophets. See here Proverbs 30:4 (written 700 B.C./1300 yrs before Muhammad): "...What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?" Nothing predicted about Muhammad. The "Comforter" was the Holy Spirit Jesus promised the apostles. Jesus lived a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21).Allah himself refers to Muhammad as sinful (Sura 40:55, 48:1-2). Jesus did numerous miracles to prove His divinity, including raising the dead and command over nature (All Gospel writers and Josephus). While teaching his apostles Jesus said; "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves" (John 14:11 and Matthew 9:2-7) On two occasions in the Qur'an Muhammad admitted he could do no miracles to show any sort of divinity or divine calling (Sura 17:90-95; 3:183, also see: 29:50-51) Jesus cared for His enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). Jesus promised to save those who believe and trust in Him. Killed his enemies and anyone who disagreed with him (Sura 9:5) Held a high view of marriage and hated divorce - as God the Father does (Matthew 19:7-8). Muhammad commanded his adopted son to divorce his wife so that she would become his (Sura 33:36-38) Accurately prophesied many verifiable events that took place after His time (Matthew 24). Delivered only one -questionable- guess/prophecy about the Romans winning a future battle. No date or place given. (Sura 30:1-4) Jesus gave his disciples authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness (Matthew 10:1; Mark 6:12-13) Muhammad gave his followers the authority to wage war on unbelievers.Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to unbelievers. (Sura 48:29) Jesus told his disciples not to ask for money, and not to carry money with them. (Matthew 10:8-9, Luke 10:7) Muhammad instructed his followers on how to divide booty they seized from unbelievers. He insisted on 20% for himself. Jesus said to his followers that if anyone will not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. (Matthew 10:14-15, 23) Muhammad ordered Muslims to attack any city that rejected Islam. Jesus told his followers to get ready, because unbelievers would flog them, arrest them, and put them on trial (Matthew 10:16-19) Muhammad told his followers to fight (militarily) hard against unbelievers."Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Sura 9:5. Also see Sura 9:29. Jesus washed his disciples' feet. He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. John 13:4-5, 12-17 One day after battle, Muhammad came back home and said to his daughter Fatima, "Wash the blood from this sword and I swear in the name of Allah this sword was obeying me all the time." Muhammad then took the swords of his friend Ali ibn Abu Talib and washed them for him. Jesus's last message to his followers about himself and his mission:Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:46-47 Muhammad's last speech to his followers on Mt Arafat: ....."I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted."Reference: Ibn Hisham (828 A.D., "The Life of Muhammad", 3rd ed., pt. 6, vol. 3 (Beirut, Lebanon: Dar-al-Jil, 1998), p. 8Please note both Biblical & quranic references for Authenticity.
    Amy, before it going no where, i think you should answer the question that ask you which is i taken from your question on me [​IMG]. (sorry i edited this, because amy has response before)And about the comparison that you brought just now, please read the information that has been given by me at www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htmBest regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulOk amy, your answer on Matthew 9:6 already understood, now give you another statement from Jesus that he really claim him self as Son of man.NKJV20:17 Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, 20:18 "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, 20:19 "and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again." Now, still the same question that you asked me, how is the answer of that ?Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulAmy, before it going no where, i think you should answer the question that ask you which is i taken from your question on me [​IMG]. (sorry i edited this, because amy has response before)And about the comparison that you brought just now, please read the information that has been given by me at www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htmBest regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    One may choose to reply or not reply, in your case ALL the answers are here I have even explained the 2 reference verses by you that you wanted explanation for which was given to you twice here by me, I suggest you read closely. BUT if you want me to run in circles with you answering the same questions again and again, sorry I have better things to do with my time. I have even given you the biblical reference where even Adam is called upon as the son of God (luke 3:38). In fact we all our his children because we are born of Adam and Eve with only exception of Jesus. In fact, I have asked you some questions about the blood line, strange i see no answers coming from you. Probably you don't have them?
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulOk amy, your answer on Matthew 9:6 already understood, now give you another statement from Jesus that he really claim him self as Son of man.NKJV20:17 Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, 20:18 "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, 20:19 "and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again." Now, still the same question that you asked me, how is the answer of that ?Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    So you understand finally the verse I just explain YET you bring same problem with other verses / references?Read the whole context, in fact read the whole bible for God's sake so you may understand what is said keeping in mind who. Jesus is often refering to himself as to what he is refered by the scribers / pagans... it's an ironic form of speech done at higher intellectual level.And if you are just going to bring each and every SINGLE verse in bible trying to prove he was son of man that you so strongly believe true, then that means you believe in bible and then you must believe these too Romans 1:3; Romans 6:11; Romans 6:23; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 1 Corinthians 7:25. Simply because, you can not keep from bible what suits you and reject what ever dose not suit. Interestingly, I hear muslims say that bible is changed Or is it perhaps bible is NOT changed and it's just their mental block / poor perception?In an experiment two men were put in a poorly lit pit. One man saw a snake crawling on the wall and died because of fear. The other man saw it as a rope and climbed himself out of the pit. This is how important PERCEPTION is in simple terms !Otherwise stop picking verses at convenience because the way to study bible is not random. You have to understand the whole context and sometimes that means reading the whole chapter, the whole gospel or the whole bible which ofcourse you are not appearently doing.
     
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    Yes, Jesus is the Son of God, and yet there are many sons of God (No gender apply) God created the angels and us. In fact, we humans are made in His image. By the way, we worship Lord Jesus to the glory of God the Father. We don't worship Mary, and we shouldn't cause it is against The Ten Commandments which YHWH gave us.About the I John 5:7 scripture, try using the King James Version.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    Very Well said Jag :blessyou:Christianity is not a religion it is a RELATIONSHIP :shepard: We all are his HIS children :cross2: That is why the opening line in the Prayer given to us by Jesus say:''Our FATHER who Art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name...''God bless you too Amy. It is wonderful to listen to YHWH's words. A great blessing.(Amy)
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    Amy...thank you for the posts. I throughly enjoyed it...Becuse it spoke truth, about these false religion. (I read some of it)
    Dear Jag,You are more than welcome and I will try to impart as much knowledge as I have to help people gain and find Truth for themselves. So stay tunedBetween, I know this is lenghty but I suggest to take out time and read it in bits. It will increase your knowledge.I know it is a very lengthy post Amy. I will read more, bits by bits. It's virtually impossible to read the whole thing in one day.God bless you for gaining much knowledge. Gaining knowledge makes people's more mature in the Faith. Love you Amy.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    So you understand finally the verse I just explain YET you bring same problem with other verses / references?
    [​IMG] sorry for late to understand what is your point, because i was still standing on others perception on that verse. Ok, now i'll try to follow according to your interpretation.
    Read the whole context, in fact read the whole bible for God's sake so you may understand what is said keeping in mind who. Jesus is often refering to himself as to what he is refered by the scribers / pagans... it's an ironic form of speech done at higher intellectual level.
    So you mean his(pbuh) disciples was a pagan ? So i concern, Jesus was talking to his disciples on the verse that i show you, ad not talking about pagans(sorry if i'm not connect with your meaning, then guide me).
    And if you are just going to bring each and every SINGLE verse in bible trying to prove he was son of man that you so strongly believe true, then that means you believe in bible and then you must believe these too Romans 1:3; Romans 6:11; Romans 6:23; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 1 Corinthians 7:25.
    Have you done the same thing by the time you are talking about Islam Faith ?
    Simply because, you can not keep from bible what suits you and reject what ever dose not suit. Interestingly, I hear muslims say that bible is changed Or is it perhaps bible is NOT changed and it's just their mental block / poor perception?
    Amy, have you read the content that what is in the link that I gave you ?Al of your question and argument was already been answer in there, and you don't have to insult moslem by saying bla...bla...bla..., does Jesus(pbuh) teach you that kind a lesson ?Event you are forbidden to saying stupid to others.And it was not Moslem who said those information, it was God who has revealed on the noble Quran. And have you search a lot of information from what you has said regarding on this quote ? Not just moslem who would told that kind of information, event outside of moslem as well admitted, event you own christian some of them admitted. So again you don't have to blashpemy by saying moslem was mental block, poor perception, etc. Just read the link that i gave you, if you also has open minded just the way you are remind me.
    In an experiment two men were put in a poorly lit pit. One man saw a snake crawling on the wall and died because of fear. The other man saw it as a rope and climbed himself out of the pit. This is how important PERCEPTION is in simple terms !Otherwise stop picking verses at convenience because the way to study bible is not random. You have to understand the whole context and sometimes that means reading the whole chapter, the whole gospel or the whole bible which ofcourse you are not appearently doing.
    The same thing perhaps you should do also, thats why i told previously there are some knowledge that you should learn, know, understand, by the time you read quran and sunnah. And you are still picking up as you like by quoting others then telling that was the truth. So amy have you done the advise that you gave me before you giving those advise to others ?I do hope you have nice manner when you are dealing with faith. And if you said it was research, then i suppose you already know the different between blashpemy with research, as i said before.Now I repeated again Your question on me, and at the same time i would like having answer with the same question that you ask me.You are asking this.
    How can you call such a child ''Son of Man'' (as per your link) who was not born of Man but God?
    Then i give a verse which telling that event Jesus him self admitted that he was also son of man.[url="http://www.christian-oneness.org/chapter10.htm]http://www.christian-oneness.org/chapter10.htm[/url] http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/son-of-man.htmlhttp://www.christianitytoday.com/biblestud...s/sonofman.htmlIn that website, clearly state that Jesus indeed saying he was Son of man.Now regarding on your question, i already giving you the answer, that Jesus was indeed son of Man. Then how you are going to answer your own question amy ?And amy pls don't bore with me, becuase as you know, i'm not a christian, event Jesus deciples often called stupid by Jesus, because of they often not understand what Jesus meant to. So i do hope you also can take a lesson from your bible as well. You also can considered me as a stupid man. Eventhougt like that I want to became smart.Please guide me to understand your interpretation on the bible meaning.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most Merciful[​IMG] sorry for late to understand what is your point, because i was still standing on others perception on that verse. Ok, now i'll try to follow according to your interpretation.So you mean his(pbuh) disciples was a pagan ? So i concern, Jesus was talking to his disciples on the verse that i show you, ad not talking about pagans(sorry if i'm not connect with your meaning, then guide me).Have you done the same thing by the time you are talking about Islam Faith ?Amy, have you read the content that what is in the link that I gave you ?Al of your question and argument was already been answer in there, and you don't have to insult moslem by saying bla...bla...bla..., does Jesus(pbuh) teach you that kind a lesson ?Event you are forbidden to saying stupid to others.And it was not Moslem who said those information, it was God who has revealed on the noble Quran. And have you search a lot of information from what you has said regarding on this quote ? Not just moslem who would told that kind of information, event outside of moslem as well admitted, event you own christian some of them admitted. So again you don't have to blashpemy by saying moslem was mental block, poor perception, etc. Just read the link that i gave you, if you also has open minded just the way you are remind me.The same thing perhaps you should do also, thats why i told previously there are some knowledge that you should learn, know, understand, by the time you read quran and sunnah. And you are still picking up as you like by quoting others then telling that was the truth. So amy have you done the advise that you gave me before you giving those advise to others ?I do hope you have nice manner when you are dealing with faith. And if you said it was research, then i suppose you already know the different between blashpemy with research, as i said before.Now I repeated again Your question on me, and at the same time i would like having answer with the same question that you ask me.You are asking this.Then i give a verse which telling that event Jesus him self admitted that he was also son of man.http://www.christian-oneness.org/chapter10.htm http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/son-of-man.htmlhttp://www.christianitytoday.com/biblestud...s/sonofman.htmlIn that website, clearly state that Jesus indeed saying he was Son of man.Now regarding on your question, i already giving you the answer, that Jesus was indeed son of Man. Then how you are going to answer your own question amy ?And amy pls don't bore with me, becuase as you know, i'm not a christian, event Jesus deciples often called stupid by Jesus, because of they often not understand what Jesus meant to. So i do hope you also can take a lesson from your bible as well. You also can considered me as a stupid man. Eventhougt like that I want to became smart.Please guide me to understand your interpretation on the bible meaning.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    Ricky [​IMG]For the LAST time, I am not against muslims or any human for that matter but yes I am against false teachings of Islam, specially because it involves Christianity. My fight is not against flesh and blood but against the satan itself. There is nothing (but God) that can stop me from spreading the knowledge I have about false prophets and their false religions specially when it invloves false teachings about Jesus and by pass what in given to us by God Himself. Nowhere in the Bible it says that we should be tolerant towards satan and his teachings. I get my courage from my God to fight the satan. I can say so because I have studied Islam for 12good years. I am not a learner of Islam; I have passed that stage and I am well educated on the subject more than any average muslim. So the links that you have provided is nothing new to me as I have found all answers to those issues in the Bible and it makes complete sense to me.I will not discuss with you anymore as you are getting personal by taking things personally. You are not open to Criticism and you have not answered anything regarding the text I have shared to prove it wrong. The text has references to Quran / Sunnah / Hadidth. Can you prove that they are wrong? Please fell free to do so instead of providing links about Jesus and bible being pornographic. I don't blame you, it is a typical way to adopt when in defensive mode. It's very human.Having said that, once again I here by confirm that I will keep on spreading the knowledge I have for the sake of my brothers and sisters in Christ as well as for the rest so that they may begin to think and in return their souls may be saved.Bless you [​IMG]
     
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