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    “I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies.” (Hadith) Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe". A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe".... We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam's "believers" by Islam's history of withholding the truth about its founder to them -- - and the circumstances surrounding its inception -- than any "damage" this true history below can cause. As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century. The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Ibn Hisham in 830 and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. - a century after they were first recited.This main intent of this article is intended to warn Christians who may be "fooled" into Islam, because they did not have all the facts. It is a matter of grave concern. If you reject Jesus and follow Islam, your entire salvation is at stake. Islam can deceive you. It can fool the very elect. It rejects the salvation Jesus has made possible. That alone makes it demonic.The immortal souls of billions of individuals are involved here. To good Muslims I say; "I have sympathy with your having to grow up in a closed society -- where not embracing Islam would have gotten you shunned or even killed". According to many interpretations of the Qur'an (aka: Koran), conversion to a faith other than Islam is punishable by death. Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.
     
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    You can always know a false god. False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading. The god of Muslims is revealed as a tyrant who demands Muslims and all others submit to him. Whereas in the New Testament, Jesus revealed to Christians a God who is a loving Father, who wants us to come to Him via free will. In the Old Testament (Exodus 34:6) the real God revealed Himself as "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth". He is the Creator of the Universe, the God of Love, and Lord of Life. The God of Israel is this true God. He insists "Thou shall not kill the innocent and just". When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur'an), or is deceitfully thinking of this "peace", as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur'an: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers" Sura 48:29. "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Sura 9:5. Also see Sura 9:29 Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this "open-ended", universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.Sura 47:4 says: Fa'idhā Laqītumu Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Fađarba Ar-Riqābi Ĥattaá 'Idhā 'Athkhantumūhum Fashuddū Al-Wathāqa Fa'immā Mannāan Ba`du Wa 'Immā Fidā'an Ĥattaá Tađa`a Al-Ĥarbu 'Awzārahā Dhālika Wa Law Yashā'u Allāhu Lāntaşara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Ba`đakum Biba`đin Wa Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi Falan Yuđilla 'A`mālahumwhich means Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.Many Quran translators have tried to soften the meaning in their translation by adding the words “in war” in brackets after the word “Unbelievers” but they are NOT there in the original Arabic text.Allah - the Pagan god:Islam, teaches that Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and that they have also lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews, or the Bible for Christians. Additionally, This god Allah (with a little g) lies about Jesus. Islam says that Jesus not only is not the Son of God, but that He did not even die on a cross in Jerusalem... Allah is therefore proven to be a false pagan god... Jews also do not believe this about Jesus (Yeshua). Who will believe it? The greatest of kings. Born in the humblest of places.... God, born in the flesh! The Apostle Paul tells us that Jews have been supernaturally blinded to this by God. Yet Christians and Jews worship the same God (Yahweh) and share the same Bible. Learn more. See movies "The Nativity Story" and "Jesus", here.About 578 years before Islam came along, Christians were warned against Islam by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Jesus warned us about the many false prophets who would follow Him (Matthew 16:11-12) . Paul warned us when he wrote: “But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8). Since Islam’s message differs fundamentally from the Gospel, it is clear what Paul taught regarding the fate of Muhammad and those who propagate Islam. Islam bypasses the sacrificial mediating work Jesus did for believers on the cross, thus negating the forgiveness of sins. This condemns non-believers to die in their sins. Jesus said; "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24 Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4).Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe". A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe".... We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam's "believers" by Islam's history of withholding the truth about its founder to them -- - and the circumstances surrounding its inception -- than any "damage" this true history below can cause. As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century. The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Ibn Hisham in 830 and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. - a century after they were first recited.This main intent of this article is intended to warn Christians who may be "fooled" into Islam, because they did not have all the facts. It is a matter of grave concern. If you reject Jesus and follow Islam, your entire salvation is at stake. Islam can deceive you. It can fool the very elect. It rejects the salvation Jesus has made possible. That alone makes it demonic.The immortal souls of billions of individuals are involved here. To good Muslims I say; "I have sympathy with your having to grow up in a closed society -- where not embracing Islam would have gotten you shunned or even killed". According to many interpretations of the Qur'an (aka: Koran), conversion to a faith other than Islam is punishable by death. Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.You can always know a false god. False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading. The god of Muslims is revealed as a tyrant who demands Muslims and all others submit to him. Whereas in the New Testament, Jesus revealed to Christians a God who is a loving Father, who wants us to come to Him via free will. In the Old Testament (Exodus 34:6) the real God revealed Himself as "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth". He is the Creator of the Universe, the God of Love, and Lord of Life. The God of Israel is this true God. He insists "Thou shall not kill the innocent and just". When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur'an), or is deceitfully thinking of this "peace", as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur'an: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers" Sura 48:29. "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Sura 9:5. Also see Sura 9:29 Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this "open-ended", universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.Sura 47:4 says: Fa'idhā Laqītumu Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Fađarba Ar-Riqābi Ĥattaá 'Idhā 'Athkhantumūhum Fashuddū Al-Wathāqa Fa'immā Mannāan Ba`du Wa 'Immā Fidā'an Ĥattaá Tađa`a Al-Ĥarbu 'Awzārahā Dhālika Wa Law Yashā'u Allāhu Lāntaşara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Ba`đakum Biba`đin Wa Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi Falan Yuđilla 'A`mālahumwhich means Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.Many Quran translators have tried to soften the meaning in their translation by adding the words “in war” in brackets after the word “Unbelievers” but they are NOT there in the original Arabic text.Allah - the Pagan god:Islam, teaches that Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and that they have also lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews, or the Bible for Christians. Additionally, This god Allah (with a little g) lies about Jesus. Islam says that Jesus not only is not the Son of God, but that He did not even die on a cross in Jerusalem... Allah is therefore proven to be a false pagan god... Jews also do not believe this about Jesus (Yeshua). Who will believe it? The greatest of kings. Born in the humblest of places.... God, born in the flesh! The Apostle Paul tells us that Jews have been supernaturally blinded to this by God. Yet Christians and Jews worship the same God (Yahweh) and share the same Bible. Learn more. See movies "The Nativity Story" and "Jesus", here.About 578 years before Islam came along, Christians were warned against Islam by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Jesus warned us about the many false prophets who would follow Him (Matthew 16:11-12) . Paul warned us when he wrote: “But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8). Since Islam’s message differs fundamentally from the Gospel, it is clear what Paul taught regarding the fate of Muhammad and those who propagate Islam. Islam bypasses the sacrificial mediating work Jesus did for believers on the cross, thus negating the forgiveness of sins. This condemns non-believers to die in their sins. Jesus said; "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24 Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4).Dear Christians and Muslims. Jesus is committed to winning the spiritual Holy War. He wants nobody to suffer an eternity without God, confined to a godless place. Know this, that God Himself is calling out those Muslims with good hearts! Jesus (Isa) Himself is appearing to many. A few years ago, Al-Jazeera reported that roughly six million Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming followers of Jesus every year in Africa. In 2005, roughly 250,000 Muslims converted to Christianity in Iran. Between 2003-2005, roughly 1 million Muslims converted to Christianity in Arab countries. Muslims are coming to Christ in North America, too, although not to the same extent as in Muslim countries. Tens of millions are embracing Jesus every few years in India and in China. Chinese missionaries are now gearing up to bring the Gospel of Jesus to dark Muslim places.The Muslim Qur'an (Koran) and Muslim Hadith are unique among all the sacred writings in the entire world -- because they alone counsel its followers to make war on unbelievers. Any thoughtful reader will be forced to admit that evil literally "drips" from their pages. As you will see below, the Qur'an is a made up book of gibberish, of evil verses abrogating (superseding) peaceful verses. The Qur'an cannot be trusted because it contains numerous "divinely inspired" contradictions. If God has a history of abrogating (changing) his own revelations as is done in the Qur'an, then how can we be certain he will not abrogate it again in the future? If Allah can abrogate his eternal speech, how can you trust him with your eternal soul?
     
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    Jesus Christ: To the Muslim, Jesus Christ is merely one of the many prophets of Allah (Sura: 4:171; 5:74). According to Islam, the prophet Muhammad supersedes Jesus Christ. Islam says Jesus Christ is not the Son of God or part of any Trinity (Sura 5:17; 5:116; 19:35). We are told by Islam that Jesus was the Messiah (Sura 3:45; 4:157; 171), but nothing but a slave on whom God showed favor (Sura 43:59); yet elsewhere in the Qur'an we are told the Messiah is not a slave (Sura 4:172). The Qur'an tells us that Jesus Christ did not atone for anyone's sins, although he was himself sinless (Sura 3:46) and is one of those who are near to God (Sura 3:45). Positively, the Qur'an says that Jesus Christ performed miracles (Sura 3:49; 5:110) and was the Messiah. The Qur'an says Jesus did not die on a cross. Various Muslim traditions say that Jesus either miraculously substituted Judas Iscariot for himself on the cross, or that God miraculously delivered Him from the hands of the Romans and Jews before He could be crucified. Most Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was taken bodily into heaven without having died (Sura 4:157). However, Sura 19:33 says He died and would be resurrected. Muhammad on the other hand died in his wife Aisha's home, not long after he was poisoned by a slave girl. Muhammad's body was lowered into a hole in Medina, and his dead body was covered by dirt and brickwork.It is interesting to compare Jesus and Muhammad according to the Qur'an. Jesus did miracles (Sura 3:49; 5:110), but Muhammad did not (Sura 13:8: "thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only"; also 6:37; 6:109; 17:59 and 17:90-93).Jesus was sinless (Sura 3:46), but Muhammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Sura 40:55: "Ask forgiveness of thy sin"; 42:5: "Ask forgiveness for those on the Earth"; 47:19: "Ask forgiveness for thy sin" ; 48:2: "that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin").Jesus was called "the Messiah" by Allah in the Qur'an. And Jesus was even born of a virgin (Sura 3:45-57)! Yet Muhammad who had 12 wives, 2 concubines, and participated in many attacks on innocent caravans and villages, and insisted on 20% of all the booty from these raids -- is supposed to be the greatest of the prophets. Both Muslim holy books (Qur'an/Koran and Hadith) contain commands for Muslims to subjugate the world, militarily. Muhammad commanded Muslims to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad; or conquest of non-Muslim lands. Muslims are also commanded to take back any land that was formerly Muslim, such as Israel. Radical Muslims believe that they are Mujahideen, or "holy warriors of Allah". Their goal, like Islam's goal is to establish the entire world as a pure Islamic state (a Khalifah), which conforms to Islamic laws. An example of what Muslim children are taught in Muslim schools is this statement, found in a Jordanian/Palestinian school book in 1998: "This religion (Islam) will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters" Read the true history of Islam below and then look into your own heart to see if you are missing something; or if you have been lied to regarding Islam itself. The below information on the history of Muhammad and the history of Islam comes primarily from Muslim historians and the Qur'an (Koran) itself... Some of these sources used are:Qur'an / Koran itself Ibn Sa'd (A.D. 845) Baidawi (A.D. 1292) Ahmad ibn Hanbal (A.D. 855) Ibn Kathir (A.D. 1301-1372) Amr ibn Sharhabil (Caliph 717-20 AD) Ibn Khaldun (A.D. 1332-1406) al-Bukhari (A.D. 810-870) Imam al-Mawawy Ibn Hazam (A.D. 994-1064) Sahih al-Bukbari Ali Dashti Ibn Hajar - "Isabah", or "Dictionary of Persons who knew Muhammad" Muhammad Ibn al-Rawandi, in "The Quest for the Historical Muhammad" Also, Alfred Guillaume best known/respected Western Scholar on Islam Also, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades"Also, Ali Dashti: "Twenty Three Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad" Also, "Islam and Terrorism" and "Jesus and Muhammad", by the former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt (Born a Muslim in Egypt/name changed to: Mark A. Gabriel, PHD) "Inside Islam, A Guide for Catholics", Pages 61, 62, 69, Co-wrote by David Ali, Islam Apostate Ibn Hisham, The Life of Muhammad, 3rd ed., pt. 6, vol. 3 (Beirut, Lebanon: Dar-al-Jil, 1998), p. 8 The Truth about Muhammad, Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion, by Robert Spencer The Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin & Ravi Zacharias, pages 445-447 "Islam Reviewed" by M. Ali, 2nd edition 1999 Abu Dawud (sunnah)(A.D. 832?) Ibn Ishaq (A.D. 768) Tirmidhi (A.D. 892) Al Waqidi (Wakidi) (A.D. 822) Tabari (A.D. 929) Ibn Hisham (A.D. 828) Zamakhshari (A.D.1144)
     
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    The Qur'an itself calls the Gospel of Jesus "Guidance and Light" The biggest threat to Islam is without a doubt the teachings of the true "Prophet of Peace" Jesus Christ. Islamic leaders go to extraordinary means to hide the Gospel of Jesus from Muslims. The fact that Muslims do not read and study the New Testament / the Gospel of Jesus is yet another contradiction in Islam. Question the "dark side" - the Islamic Fear of Christianity. Just as Satan wails at a crucifix at an exorcism - the Islamic cult member normally wails at the sight of the Christian Bible. A false prophet can always be recognized, because he attacks the true prophet. A false Bible can be recognized, because it contradicts the true Bible. Islam goes one step further. First Islam tries to gain acceptance by attesting to the truth and validity of both the Christian and Jewish holy books. But, it then clearly steps out of the light, exposing itself to its diabolical agenda, by contradicting and falsifying the facts and teachings in both these books. Also, question the "dark side" of a Religion such as Islam that requires you to only recite salah and prayers like the Namaz, in a language (Arabic) you do not understand. All Muslims, Arab and non-Arab alike, are obliged to pray in Arabic. Even if you do not understand a single word. Muslims are also required to read the Qur'an in Arabic, in order to attain any graces at all from Allah. It is not necessary that the person can understand even a word of what he is reading. This is what the warning means that Jesus left us with, when he said; "insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Most Muslims do repetitive prayers in a language (Arabic) which they do not understand. The mandatory recital - The Shahadah: Ash hadu ala ilah ha ilahlah wa ash hadu anna Muhammadah Rasullulah. Translated, it says; "I testify that there is no god but allah and I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." You cannot recite only “ I testify that there is no god but Allah “ and not include “Muhammad is the prophet of Allah “ . That is forbidden or ‘haram’. You must recite “ Muhammad is the prophet of Allah “.Ibn Tymiyyah a very well respected ancient Islamic thinker says; "The Arabic language itself is part of Islam, and knowing Arabic is an obligatory duty. See a graphic example of the Christian idea of Jesus as our mediator and one with the Father (same light and substance) in this true Near Death Experience hereIslam claims that Allah is the same God who was revealed in the Bible. . . . then if the Bible and the Qur'an have differing views of God, then Islam's claim is false. Don't forget that Muhammad claimed in Suras 2:87, 29:46, 32:23, 5:44, 6:154, 6:155 that Allah confirmed the Torah (Taurat) and Christian Gospel (Injeel) (Sura 2:87, 5:46, 5:68, 29:46 and 43:63). So, if the Torah and Gospel are correct, all the errors in the Qur'an shown below make the Qur'an false. A tenet of Islam is that both Mohammed and Jesus of Nazareth were both Muslims. Islam says both were prophets sent by Allah. If this were true, then it is mandatory that these two great prophets must coincide exactly in all points and never contradict each other. Did not the same Allah send both of them? Then, aren't even the smallest of contradictions between the two, very big red flags? And there are a great many, which you will see below.Sura 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." Sura 29:46 Muslims are told by Allah, not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; Islam says that Jesus did not die. So, again --Islam has proven to be false; because Muhammad claimed the Gospel is true, and all 4 Gospels (Injil) testify that Jesus died and rose from the dead. God does have a begotten Son (not made, but one with the Father), which Islam denies. The Jewish Torah / Taurat (Tawrat) clearly indicated this over 1000 years before Muhammad and Islam. In addition their are collateral 1st century sources that testify that Jesus was put to death. In the "Annals" written by Roman historian Tacitus, in Book XV, Chapter 44 we read "Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius." Roman historian Josephus also wrote about the death and Resurrection of Jesus. Even Satan says that Jesus died on the cross. Also, the Roman Historian Seutonius wrote in his work "Life of the Emperor Claudius" the following about Christians: "and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws." The Roman historian Pliny wrote about Jesus' death in Book X of his Epistles. Julius Africanus, quoting Thallus another Roman historian, who wrote in about 52 A.D. about the miraculas happenings the day the Son of God was killed. He wrote: "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down". Like Muhammad, Satan also cringes in fear at the sight of the cross. Read this true Exorcism hereProverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the Earth? What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?" (Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Even after Allah confirmed the Torah and Gospel, Islamic Mullahs and Imams have tried to sell the lie that the Christian Gospels and Jewish Torah have been corrupted. This a complete lie! This lie is perpetuated by Islam, because of all the historic, scientific, and simple mathematical errors in the Koran/Qur'an - as you'll see below... The Qur'an just doesn't add up. "They" could not have changed the Christian Gospels after Muhammad, since there are around 5,300 manuscripts of the whole or part of the Greek text of the New Testament (Injil) pre-dating Muhammad still in existence. Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum. There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Muhammad, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. Additionally, the New Testament was handed down from apostolic times and its genuineness was guarded by Christian churches, and it was zealously watched by enemies of Christianity. A very wide protest would have resulted from both sides were it tampered with. Likewise, the Septuagint edition of the Old Testament was always in the hands of both Christians and Jews, both rivals in religion. Any attempts to change this by either side would have been vigorously attacked.Some versions of the Bible from 1881 differ in a few words here and there. However, the essential theological points remain the same and are complete. Bibles we recommend, that have not changed are:protestants original Authorized King James (1611) Catholics Catholic Douay Reims - older versions The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by more than 575 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 - 3,000 years. Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for "Guidance and Light." For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it.The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven - in front of many witnesses. The New Testament is preserved in almost perfect condition in these two Greek texts which both predate Muhammad and Islam by over 200 years. Everything in the Christian/Jewish Bible is being authenticated by archeology. Consider the Babylonian cylinder inscription of Nabonidus (thought to be the last king of Babylon) which commemorates the reconstruction of a ziggurat at Ur by Nabonidus and records a prayer to Belshazzar (Daniel 5) his son 'the firstborn son, the offspring of my heart'. Not only does this prove that Belshazzar was indeed a member of the Babylonian royal family, which had long been disputed, but it also explains why Daniel is told he could be the third ruler (with Nabonidus and Belshazzar more or less acting as co-regents). Also, consider the 'chariot wheels' divers found in the Red Sea, proving the Hebrew Exodus from Egypy was real; and that the Egyptian army chasing the Jews was drowned by God (Yahweh), just as was recorded in the Jewish Bible.
     
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    Muslims should note that nowhere in the Qur'an there is even a suggestion that the Christian Biblical text has been altered or corrupted. The word "tahrif" is never used with reference to the Christian Gospels (Injil). The Qur'an occasionally accuses the Jews of altering their Scripture (like in Sura 5:13); but it never levels this accusation at Christians. It in no way implies that the text of the Gospel of Jesus (Injil) has been corrupted. In fact, the Qur'an attests to the validity of the Christian Gospels, Zabur (Psalms) and the Torah.Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe". A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe".... We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam's "believers" by Islam's history of withholding the truth about its founder to them -- - and the circumstances surrounding its inception -- than any "damage" this true history below can cause. As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century. The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Ibn Hisham in 830 and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. - a century after they were first recited.This main intent of this article is intended to warn Christians who may be "fooled" into Islam, because they did not have all the facts. It is a matter of grave concern. If you reject Jesus and follow Islam, your entire salvation is at stake. Islam can deceive you. It can fool the very elect. It rejects the salvation Jesus has made possible. That alone makes it demonic.The immortal souls of billions of individuals are involved here. To good Muslims I say; "I have sympathy with your having to grow up in a closed society -- where not embracing Islam would have gotten you shunned or even killed". According to many interpretations of the Qur'an (aka: Koran), conversion to a faith other than Islam is punishable by death. Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.You can always know a false god. False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading. The god of Muslims is revealed as a tyrant who demands Muslims and all others submit to him. Whereas in the New Testament, Jesus revealed to Christians a God who is a loving Father, who wants us to come to Him via free will. In the Old Testament (Exodus 34:6) the real God revealed Himself as "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth". He is the Creator of the Universe, the God of Love, and Lord of Life. The God of Israel is this true God. He insists "Thou shall not kill the innocent and just". When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur'an), or is deceitfully thinking of this "peace", as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur'an: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers" Sura 48:29. "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Sura 9:5. Also see Sura 9:29 Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this "open-ended", universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.Sura 47:4 says: Fa'idhā Laqītumu Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Fađarba Ar-Riqābi Ĥattaá 'Idhā 'Athkhantumūhum Fashuddū Al-Wathāqa Fa'immā Mannāan Ba`du Wa 'Immā Fidā'an Ĥattaá Tađa`a Al-Ĥarbu 'Awzārahā Dhālika Wa Law Yashā'u Allāhu Lāntaşara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Ba`đakum Biba`đin Wa Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi Falan Yuđilla 'A`mālahumwhich means Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.Many Quran translators have tried to soften the meaning in their translation by adding the words “in war” in brackets after the word “Unbelievers” but they are NOT there in the original Arabic text.Allah - the Pagan god:Islam, teaches that Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and that they have also lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews, or the Bible for Christians. Additionally, This god Allah (with a little g) lies about Jesus. Islam says that Jesus not only is not the Son of God, but that He did not even die on a cross in Jerusalem... Allah is therefore proven to be a false pagan god... Jews also do not believe this about Jesus (Yeshua). Who will believe it? The greatest of kings. Born in the humblest of places.... God, born in the flesh! The Apostle Paul tells us that Jews have been supernaturally blinded to this by God. Yet Christians and Jews worship the same God (Yahweh) and share the same Bible. Learn more. See movies "The Nativity Story" and "Jesus", here.About 578 years before Islam came along, Christians were warned against Islam by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Jesus warned us about the many false prophets who would follow Him (Matthew 16:11-12) . Paul warned us when he wrote: “But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8). Since Islam’s message differs fundamentally from the Gospel, it is clear what Paul taught regarding the fate of Muhammad and those who propagate Islam. Islam bypasses the sacrificial mediating work Jesus did for believers on the cross, thus negating the forgiveness of sins. This condemns non-believers to die in their sins. Jesus said; "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24 Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4).Dear Christians and Muslims. Jesus is committed to winning the spiritual Holy War. He wants nobody to suffer an eternity without God, confined to a godless place. Know this, that God Himself is calling out those Muslims with good hearts! Jesus (Isa) Himself is appearing to many. A few years ago, Al-Jazeera reported that roughly six million Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming followers of Jesus every year in Africa. In 2005, roughly 250,000 Muslims converted to Christianity in Iran. Between 2003-2005, roughly 1 million Muslims converted to Christianity in Arab countries. Muslims are coming to Christ in North America, too, although not to the same extent as in Muslim countries. Tens of millions are embracing Jesus every few years in India and in China. Chinese missionaries are now gearing up to bring the Gospel of Jesus to dark Muslim places.The Muslim Qur'an (Koran) and Muslim Hadith are unique among all the sacred writings in the entire world -- because they alone counsel its followers to make war on unbelievers. Any thoughtful reader will be forced to admit that evil literally "drips" from their pages. As you will see below, the Qur'an is a made up book of gibberish, of evil verses abrogating (superseding) peaceful verses. The Qur'an cannot be trusted because it contains numerous "divinely inspired" contradictions. If God has a history of abrogating (changing) his own revelations as is done in the Qur'an, then how can we be certain he will not abrogate it again in the future? If Allah can abrogate his eternal speech, how can you trust him with your eternal soul? Jesus Christ: To the Muslim, Jesus Christ is merely one of the many prophets of Allah (Sura: 4:171; 5:74). According to Islam, the prophet Muhammad supersedes Jesus Christ. Islam says Jesus Christ is not the Son of God or part of any Trinity (Sura 5:17; 5:116; 19:35). We are told by Islam that Jesus was the Messiah (Sura 3:45; 4:157; 171), but nothing but a slave on whom God showed favor (Sura 43:59); yet elsewhere in the Qur'an we are told the Messiah is not a slave (Sura 4:172). The Qur'an tells us that Jesus Christ did not atone for anyone's sins, although he was himself sinless (Sura 3:46) and is one of those who are near to God (Sura 3:45). Positively, the Qur'an says that Jesus Christ performed miracles (Sura 3:49; 5:110) and was the Messiah. The Qur'an says Jesus did not die on a cross. Various Muslim traditions say that Jesus either miraculously substituted Judas Iscariot for himself on the cross, or that God miraculously delivered Him from the hands of the Romans and Jews before He could be crucified. Most Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was taken bodily into heaven without having died (Sura 4:157). However, Sura 19:33 says He died and would be resurrected. Muhammad on the other hand died in his wife Aisha's home, not long after he was poisoned by a slave girl. Muhammad's body was lowered into a hole in Medina, and his dead body was covered by dirt and brickwork.It is interesting to compare Jesus and Muhammad according to the Qur'an. Jesus did miracles (Sura 3:49; 5:110), but Muhammad did not (Sura 13:8: "thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only"; also 6:37; 6:109; 17:59 and 17:90-93).Jesus was sinless (Sura 3:46), but Muhammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Sura 40:55: "Ask forgiveness of thy sin"; 42:5: "Ask forgiveness for those on the Earth"; 47:19: "Ask forgiveness for thy sin" ; 48:2: "that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin").Jesus was called "the Messiah" by Allah in the Qur'an. And Jesus was even born of a virgin (Sura 3:45-57)! Yet Muhammad who had 12 wives, 2 concubines, and participated in many attacks on innocent caravans and villages, and insisted on 20% of all the booty from these raids -- is supposed to be the greatest of the prophets. Both Muslim holy books (Qur'an/Koran and Hadith) contain commands for Muslims to subjugate the world, militarily. Muhammad commanded Muslims to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad; or conquest of non-Muslim lands. Muslims are also commanded to take back any land that was formerly Muslim, such as Israel. Radical Muslims believe that they are Mujahideen, or "holy warriors of Allah". Their goal, like Islam's goal is to establish the entire world as a pure Islamic state (a Khalifah), which conforms to Islamic laws. An example of what Muslim children are taught in Muslim schools is this statement, found in a Jordanian/Palestinian school book in 1998: "This religion (Islam) will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters" Read the true history of Islam below and then look into your own heart to see if you are missing something; or if you have been lied to regarding Islam itself. The below information on the history of Muhammad and the history of Islam comes primarily from Muslim historians and the Qur'an (Koran) itself... Some of these sources used are:Qur'an / Koran itself Abu Dawud (sunnah)(A.D. 832?) Ibn Ishaq (A.D. 768) Tirmidhi (A.D. 892) Al Waqidi (Wakidi) (A.D. 822) Tabari (A.D. 929) Ibn Hisham (A.D. 828) Zamakhshari (A.D.1144) Ibn Sa'd (A.D. 845) Baidawi (A.D. 1292) Ahmad ibn Hanbal (A.D. 855) Ibn Kathir (A.D. 1301-1372) Amr ibn Sharhabil (Caliph 717-20 AD) Ibn Khaldun (A.D. 1332-1406) al-Bukhari (A.D. 810-870) Imam al-Mawawy Ibn Hazam (A.D. 994-1064) Sahih al-Bukbari Ali Dashti Ibn Hajar - "Isabah", or "Dictionary of Persons who knew Muhammad" Muhammad Ibn al-Rawandi, in "The Quest for the Historical Muhammad" Also, Alfred Guillaume best known/respected Western Scholar on Islam Also, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades"Also, Ali Dashti: "Twenty Three Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad" Also, "Islam and Terrorism" and "Jesus and Muhammad", by the former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt (Born a Muslim in Egypt/name changed to: Mark A. Gabriel, PHD) "Inside Islam, A Guide for Catholics", Pages 61, 62, 69, Co-wrote by David Ali, Islam Apostate Ibn Hisham, The Life of Muhammad, 3rd ed., pt. 6, vol. 3 (Beirut, Lebanon: Dar-al-Jil, 1998), p. 8 The Truth about Muhammad, Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion, by Robert Spencer The Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin & Ravi Zacharias, pages 445-447 "Islam Reviewed" by M. Ali, 2nd edition 1999 The Qur'an itself calls the Gospel of Jesus "Guidance and Light" The biggest threat to Islam is without a doubt the teachings of the true "Prophet of Peace" Jesus Christ. Islamic leaders go to extraordinary means to hide the Gospel of Jesus from Muslims. The fact that Muslims do not read and study the New Testament / the Gospel of Jesus is yet another contradiction in Islam. Question the "dark side" - the Islamic Fear of Christianity. Just as Satan wails at a crucifix at an exorcism - the Islamic cult member normally wails at the sight of the Christian Bible. A false prophet can always be recognized, because he attacks the true prophet. A false Bible can be recognized, because it contradicts the true Bible. Islam goes one step further. First Islam tries to gain acceptance by attesting to the truth and validity of both the Christian and Jewish holy books. But, it then clearly steps out of the light, exposing itself to its diabolical agenda, by contradicting and falsifying the facts and teachings in both these books. Also, question the "dark side" of a Religion such as Islam that requires you to only recite salah and prayers like the Namaz, in a language (Arabic) you do not understand. All Muslims, Arab and non-Arab alike, are obliged to pray in Arabic. Even if you do not understand a single word. Muslims are also required to read the Qur'an in Arabic, in order to attain any graces at all from Allah. It is not necessary that the person can understand even a word of what he is reading. This is what the warning means that Jesus left us with, when he said; "insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Most Muslims do repetitive prayers in a language (Arabic) which they do not understand. The mandatory recital - The Shahadah: Ash hadu ala ilah ha ilahlah wa ash hadu anna Muhammadah Rasullulah. Translated, it says; "I testify that there is no god but allah and I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." You cannot recite only “ I testify that there is no god but Allah “ and not include “Muhammad is the prophet of Allah “ . That is forbidden or ‘haram’. You must recite “ Muhammad is the prophet of Allah “.Ibn Tymiyyah a very well respected ancient Islamic thinker says; "The Arabic language itself is part of Islam, and knowing Arabic is an obligatory duty. See a graphic example of the Christian idea of Jesus as our mediator and one with the Father (same light and substance) in this true Near Death Experience hereIslam claims that Allah is the same God who was revealed in the Bible. . . . then if the Bible and the Qur'an have differing views of God, then Islam's claim is false. Don't forget that Muhammad claimed in Suras 2:87, 29:46, 32:23, 5:44, 6:154, 6:155 that Allah confirmed the Torah (Taurat) and Christian Gospel (Injeel) (Sura 2:87, 5:46, 5:68, 29:46 and 43:63). So, if the Torah and Gospel are correct, all the errors in the Qur'an shown below make the Qur'an false. A tenet of Islam is that both Mohammed and Jesus of Nazareth were both Muslims. Islam says both were prophets sent by Allah. If this were true, then it is mandatory that these two great prophets must coincide exactly in all points and never contradict each other. Did not the same Allah send both of them? Then, aren't even the smallest of contradictions between the two, very big red flags? And there are a great many, which you will see below.Sura 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." Sura 29:46 Muslims are told by Allah, not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; Islam says that Jesus did not die. So, again --Islam has proven to be false; because Muhammad claimed the Gospel is true, and all 4 Gospels (Injil) testify that Jesus died and rose from the dead. God does have a begotten Son (not made, but one with the Father), which Islam denies. The Jewish Torah / Taurat (Tawrat) clearly indicated this over 1000 years before Muhammad and Islam. In addition their are collateral 1st century sources that testify that Jesus was put to death. In the "Annals" written by Roman historian Tacitus, in Book XV, Chapter 44 we read "Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius." Roman historian Josephus also wrote about the death and Resurrection of Jesus. Even Satan says that Jesus died on the cross. Also, the Roman Historian Seutonius wrote in his work "Life of the Emperor Claudius" the following about Christians: "and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws." The Roman historian Pliny wrote about Jesus' death in Book X of his Epistles. Julius Africanus, quoting Thallus another Roman historian, who wrote in about 52 A.D. about the miraculas happenings the day the Son of God was killed. He wrote: "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down". Like Muhammad, Satan also cringes in fear at the sight of the cross. Read this true Exorcism hereProverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the Earth? What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?" (Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Even after Allah confirmed the Torah and Gospel, Islamic Mullahs and Imams have tried to sell the lie that the Christian Gospels and Jewish Torah have been corrupted. This a complete lie! This lie is perpetuated by Islam, because of all the historic, scientific, and simple mathematical errors in the Koran/Qur'an - as you'll see below... The Qur'an just doesn't add up. "They" could not have changed the Christian Gospels after Muhammad, since there are around 5,300 manuscripts of the whole or part of the Greek text of the New Testament (Injil) pre-dating Muhammad still in existence. Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum. There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Muhammad, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. Additionally, the New Testament was handed down from apostolic times and its genuineness was guarded by Christian churches, and it was zealously watched by enemies of Christianity. A very wide protest would have resulted from both sides were it tampered with. Likewise, the Septuagint edition of the Old Testament was always in the hands of both Christians and Jews, both rivals in religion. Any attempts to change this by either side would have been vigorously attacked.Some versions of the Bible from 1881 differ in a few words here and there. However, the essential theological points remain the same and are complete. Bibles we recommend, that have not changed are:protestants original Authorized King James (1611) Catholics Catholic Douay Reims - older versions The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by more than 575 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 - 3,000 years. Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for "Guidance and Light." For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it.The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven - in front of many witnesses. The New Testament is preserved in almost perfect condition in these two Greek texts which both predate Muhammad and Islam by over 200 years. Everything in the Christian/Jewish Bible is being authenticated by archeology. Consider the Babylonian cylinder inscription of Nabonidus (thought to be the last king of Babylon) which commemorates the reconstruction of a ziggurat at Ur by Nabonidus and records a prayer to Belshazzar (Daniel 5) his son 'the firstborn son, the offspring of my heart'. Not only does this prove that Belshazzar was indeed a member of the Babylonian royal family, which had long been disputed, but it also explains why Daniel is told he could be the third ruler (with Nabonidus and Belshazzar more or less acting as co-regents). Also, consider the 'chariot wheels' divers found in the Red Sea, proving the Hebrew Exodus from Egypy was real; and that the Egyptian army chasing the Jews was drowned by God (Yahweh), just as was recorded in the Jewish Bible.Chariot wheels found in the Red Sea (Gulf of Aqaba) Muslims should note that nowhere in the Qur'an there is even a suggestion that the Christian Biblical text has been altered or corrupted. The word "tahrif" is never used with reference to the Christian Gospels (Injil). The Qur'an occasionally accuses the Jews of altering their Scripture (like in Sura 5:13); but it never levels this accusation at Christians. It in no way implies that the text of the Gospel of Jesus (Injil) has been corrupted. In fact, the Qur'an attests to the validity of the Christian Gospels, Zabur (Psalms) and the Torah. Islam doesn't even have an original Qur'an. It was made up supposedly from "memory" and a few scraps found under a bed. This was about 150 - 200 years after Muhammad died at his wife Ayish's home in Medina, and he was lowered into a hole in the ground, where he remains. Al Bukhari, a Muslim scholar of the 9th-10th century, and the most authoritative of the Muslim tradition compilers, writes that whenever Muhammad fell into one of his unpredictable trances his revelations were written on whatever was handy at the time. The leg or thigh bones of dead animals were used, as well as palm leaves, parchments, papers, skins, mats, stones, and bark. And when there was nothing at hand the attempt was made by his disciples to memorize it as closely as possible.Zaid b. Thabit said: “The Prophet died and the Qur’an had not been assembled into a single place.” (p. 118, Ahmad b. `Ali b. Muhammad al `Asqalani, ibn Hajar, "Fath al Bari", 13 vols, Cairo, 1939/1348, volume 9, page 9) Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorized them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known; nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an.“During the battle of Yamama, 450 reciters of the Quran were killed.” (The True Guidance, An Introduction To Quranic Studies, part 4 [Light of Life - P.O. BOX 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 47- citing Ibn Kathir’s Al-Bidaya wa al-Nibaya, chapter on Battle of Yamama).Muhammad's child wife said this after Muhammad died:"The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper." References: Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. page 269; Sunan Ibn Majah, page 626; Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) page 310; As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. page 13 As to the Taurat (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly. Thousands of the Hebrew Old Testament manuscript copies are still available for textual criticism, ranging in age from the second century B.C. (Before Christ) to the eleventh century A.D. (After Christ).The Qur'an is not an authentic book or revelation. There are no Arabic chronicles of Islam from the first century of Islam. Many of the earliest documents known about Islam refer to the followers of Muhammad as "hagarenes," and the "tribe of Ishmael," in other words as descendants of Hagar, the servant girl that the Jewish patriarch Abraham used to father his son Ishmael.This same quality of transmission cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was mostly written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers, palm leaves and stones --and compiled over 150 years after Muhammad died in 632 A.D. In the Mishtatu ‘lMasabih, chapter 3, we are informed that by the command of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, the text of the Qur’an was “collected” by Zaid ibn Thabit “from palm leaves and stones and from the breasts of those who had learned by heart” the various revelations." Abu Bakr’s copy came into the possession of Hafsah, one of Muhammad’s widows. Qustalani states that after Hafsah’s death her copy was torn to pieces by Mirwan, who was governor of Medina.The oldest Qur'an dates from around 790 A.D. (after Jesus), and it is in the British Library. That's 158 years after Muhammad’s death. See corrupted Qur'an here . Muslims often claim that the manuscript of the Qur'an housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey is one of the oldest sources. Muslims say it dates from around 650 A.D. There is an insurmountable problem with this. This document is written in Kufic (also known as al-Khatt al-Kufi) script. Coins in the British Museum show that the first coins using the Kufic script date from the mid to end of the 8th century (750-800 A.D.). The only script used during and after Muhammad's days was the Jazm script. These earliest copies of the Qur'an are written without vowels and diacritical dots that modern Arabic uses to make it clear what letter is intended. In the eighth and ninth centuries, more than a century after the death of Muhammad, Islamic commentators added diacritical marks to clear up the ambiguities of the text.Sorry suicide bombers. There will be no sexual favors (virgins) for you --where you are going For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply "white." Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for "houri," which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg who teaches at the Saarland University in Germany insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means "white raisin."The Qur'an is not an authentic book or revelation. Much of the Qur'an was copied from early Christian texts. Mr. Luxenberg has traced the passages in the Qur'an dealing with "paradise" to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors."I think the broader implications of some of the revisionist scholarship is to say that the Koran is not an authentic book, that it was fabricated 150 years later," says Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of religious studies at Duke University, as well as a Muslim cleric whose liberal theological leanings earned him the animosity of fundamentalists in South Africa, which he left after his house was firebombed.
     
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    The Samarkand (aka: Othman Koran) manuscript in the Soviet Library in Tashkent, Uzbekistan also uses the Kufic script, indicating late 8th century. Many believe it is the oldest in existence. Only About one-third of the original survives.The library where the Koran is kept is in an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, well off the beaten track for most visitors to this city. It lies down a series of dusty lanes, near the grave of a 10th century scholar, Kaffel-Shashi.This Samarkand codice manuscript is considerably incomplete. It only begins in the middle of verse 7 of Suratul-Baqarah (the second Surah) and from there on numerous pages are missing. The next oldest Muslim manuscripts are also from the 8th-century. One is written in al-ma'il script and the other in Kufic. Neither of these correspond precisely to today's Qur'an. Also, in 1972, construction workers who were restoring the Great Mosque of Sana'a in Yemen found a cache of manuscripts scraps that differ and contradict today's Qur'an so badly, that Muslims try to hide this. These Yemeni Qur'an manuscripts date back to the 7th and 8th centures, and are actually the oldest found, and they are in Hijazi. Hijazi (Makkan or Madinan) script, is the script in which the earliest masahif of the Qur'an were written. These manuscripts calls to question whether the present Qur'an was delivered to Muslims in pristine form. Your guess is as good as mine as to who in addition to Muhammad made up the Qur'an.Other than a few incorrect references to the patriarchs and Moses, the Qur’an is primarily centered on the period of time Muhammad himself lived in, including Muhammad's many military attacks on innocent caravans and Arabian villages. This seems to be hardly compatible with a holy revelation of God. Considering the complete absence of external and internal evidence that should effectively verify the revelatory character of the Qur'an, we find it very hard, if not impossible, to accept the Qur'an as a Message sent by God. This is particularly so, because the Qur'an contradicts earlier revelation, the evidence for the origin of which is given in Qur'an/Koran Suras below. Ask a Muslim, by whom, and when were the Christian and Jewish Scriptures corrupted? You will get a blank stare. Muslims only know is that this lie has been "drilled" into them since childhood.Even though their own prophet completely attested to the genuineness and authenticity of the Old and New Testaments, Islam makes the claim that they have been corrupted. Why? Because the Qur'an erroneously contradicts them both. And Islamic clerics know it. In Muslim cleric minds this also relieves them of Muhammad's statements such like: Muslims who have received the Qur'an have no solid grounds of faith, and that the foundation of the Muslim faith is insecure and insufficient and the Muslim religion is futile, unless they observe and follow the Taurat (Torah) and the Gospel (Injil). Many Muslims Imams and Mullahs falsely point to Sura 2:140 to try and prove that Jews and Christians had corrupted their Scriptures. Referring to the Jews, this sura says; "...who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah?...?" Yet, nowhere does this Sura state that the Jews and Christians corrupted their scriptures. Muslim clerics need to point to something because they know that the Jewish Torah and Christian Gospels badly contradict the Islamic Qur'an. The fact that Muhammad and Allah told Muslims to believe in the Torah and Christian Gospels is a very bad dilemma for these professionals who wish to continue making a good living in Islam. Suras 6:34, 6:115, 10:64 and 50:28,29 clearly says to Muslims, "No change can there be in the words of Allah" and that Allah cannot alter (or abrogate) his words." So the Torah and Christian Gospels are correct, because Allah did verify this fact -- this clearly makes the Muslim Qur'an false; because it contradicts Allah.As you can see from these verses below in the Qur'an (Koran), the Gospel of Jesus and the Jewish Torah are the divine Word of Allah, and Muhammad commanded the reading of the Holy Injil (Gospel of Jesus) and the Torah (Taurat) as part of Islam.As a Good Muslim - Have you read the Gospel of Jesus? The Gospel of Jesus and Old Testament (Torah): "Guidance and Light" - Sura 2:87 - And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, - Sura 3:48 - And He (Isa/Jesus) will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat (Torah) and the Injeel (Christian Gospel). - Sura 3:50 - And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat (Torah) and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me. - Sura 5:44 - "Surely We revealed the Taurat (Torah/Bible Old Testament) in which was guidance and light", with it the prophets who submitted themselves.... - Sura 5:46 - And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat (Jewish Torah) and We gave him the Injeel (Christian Gospels) in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil). - Sura 5.68 - Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord;- Sura 6.154: Again, We gave the Book (Torah) to Musa to complete (Our blessings) on him who would do good (to others), and making plain all things and a guidance and a mercy, so that they should believe in the meeting of their Lord. - Sura 6.155: And this (Torah) is a Book We have revealed, blessed; therefore follow it and guard (against evil) that mercy may be shown to you. - Sura 29:46 "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;- Sura 32:23 - And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.- Sura 43:63 - When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me. - Sura 46:12 we are told.... "And before it the Book of Musa (Moses) (Torah) was a guide and a mercy: and this is a Book verifying (it) in the Arabic language that it may warn those who are unjust and as good news for the doers of good......"
     
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    The Great Muslim dilemma The Christian Bible Says Jesus is God, and one with the Father Muslims have no choice but to believe in the Christian Bible and the Apostles who wrote it. The Qur'an forbids anyone, on pain of shameful punishment, from making distinctions between the authority of the apostles and prophets of God, or from choosing between God's words. No one is permitted to believe in part and reject a part. Those who presume to do so, it says, are infidels in reality (Suras 4:150-152; 2:89; 42:13-15; 29:46-47). See Christian Bible references to who Jesus really is: hereWho is he talking about? This Sura below shows how Muhammad had a complete misunderstanding of the Christian Gospel, and what the Trinity is. Apparently, Muhammad is referring to Christians. But his error here is that both Christians and Jews believe there is only One God. Muhammad also mistakenly thought the Trinity was the Father, Son and Mother (Mary).- Sura 5:73-75, "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three..." Again, below Muhammad attests to the Torah's (Taurat) authority. So, for Muslims to claim the Bible was corrupted is an argument already lost....- In Sura 5:48 we are told that Muhammad is given the Qur'an as a confirmation of the bible; that is - it is meant to prove the bible's authenticity.... "And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it,"- In Sura 46:12 we are told.... "Yet before it there was the Book of Moses (Torah/Old Testement) which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur'an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue....." Muhammad deferred to the Torah for Guidance HimselfAsked to produce the Torah and read from it, Âl 'Imran 3:93. A group of Jews went to Muhammad and ask him to pronounce judgment on an adulterous couple. Muhammad asked for the Torah to be brought before him, and the couple was subsequently stoned, in accordance with the penalty laid down in the Torah. (see Sahih Bukhari Book 38, no. 4434) This incident indicates that Muhammad deferred to the Torah for judgment. In the whole incident, there is no indication whatsoever that the Torah is not trustworthy, Also see: fate of those who do not live by Torah, al-Jum`ah 62:5 ; referred to settle dispute on food, Âl 'Imran 3:93-94 ; retribution in, al-Ma'idah 5:45Torah/Taurat: This word occurs 18 times in the Qur'an. It refers to the 39 books that make up the Jewish & Christian Old Testament. Jesus Himself said "every iota" (or every bit) of this Torah/Taurat is true. Read this Gospel of John; Matthew; Mark; Luke.The first 6 Chapters of the Gospel of John.Today may be the time to free yourself from that tyrannical yoke of living in a false religion which came about to glue together a group of robbers, murderers and opportunists. Your first step towards eternal salvation is no harder than to invite the only begotten Son of God into your heart as your Lord, Savior, and the one who has already paid for your sins Himself.
     
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    ON THE LORDSHIP / SONSHIP OF JESUSIs it possible that the Muslim Qur'an is nothing more than an entire book of Satanic lies & verses that "tickle Arab ears"? Let's examine this closer.Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God of the Bible simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. Yet He cared enough for us sinners to mercifully take our sins upon Himself. It is revealing that this "Allah", never tries to change Muhammad's sinfulness or life style.Below is taken from "Islam Reviewed" by M. Ali:Islam opposes the cardinal teachings of Christianity such as the sonship of Christ, the fatherhood of God and the death of Jesus Christ. Because of these opposing doctrinal views, the need to review Islam is critical to those who hunger for truth. The teachings on the person of Christ determine the genuineness or falsity of any religion. Without Christ, all religions could be right.Attributing fatherhood to God is condemned vehemently by Allah in the Koran. In fact, it is regarded as blasphemy. Together with the many scientific, historical, and simple mathematical errors found in the Qur'an/Koran (see more on these errors below) which cannot be reconciled, this is chief among the reasons that Muslims believe the Bible texts have been corrupted. Muslims are of the opinion that Jesus never addressed Himself with any title of Sonship. This title is so repulsive to Allah that he even resorted to outright cursing in one of the suras in the Koran:. . .The Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth. [In this] they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be upon them . . (Surat attaubah, 30).If Allah is really the Rahman Rahim (i.e. the Beneficent, the Merciful) why doesn't he wish that the "blasphemous" Christians repent?This Allah resorts to outright cursing? Yet in the Bible, God has to bear with Satan until the appointed time. Why can't Allah bear with Christians? At this point, one is forced to ask: who is this Allah that has to resort cursing those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Could he same God that spoke in the Bible? If the Bible and the Koran had same author, would they not definitely speak the same thing?It does not mean God married a wife and begat Jesus in the usual biological process, as the Koranic Allah declares. Jesus is the unique Son of God in a spiritual sense. Because of the marvelous love the Bible God has towards sinners, He came down to us in the person of Jesus Christ. He became known to us as God's Son and He came to save us from our sins."And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory" (1 Timothy 3:16).Muslims cannot imagine God loving sinners to the extent of coming down personally, as the Son, to save them. To Muslims this is evidence of polytheism, because they are taught in the Koran that Allah does not love sinners (Sura 2:190). This is repeated twenty four times in the Koran for emphasis. That Allah does not love unbelievers (Sura 3:31) and that he has even blocked their ears, sealed their hearts and blindfolded their eyes (Sura 2:6-7). All these are in direct opposition to Bible teachings which instruct that:"God commended His love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners Christ died for us" (Roman 5:8)The central theme of the Bible is this:"For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16)Are you a sinner? You know down in your heart that you are. You also know in your heart that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. But in spite of all your sins, the Bible God loves you and has made provision for your salvation through His perfect sacrifice, the shed blood of Jesus, His only Son.The word Arabic "inni-mutawaffeeka" translated "I will take thee" is the point of controversy among scholars. Some hold that the word means death of sleep and God raised him in his sleep.1 Others say the word means I, God, 'take you' from the world, but not by death.2 Yet others claim it means God caused Jesus to die three hours and then raised him.3 Muhammad Ibn Ishaq said, he was dead seven hours, then God raised him to life and took him to heaven. Dr. Anis Shorrosh says:4 "As an Arab, I have never known of any other meaning than death for this expression, i.e. 'inni-mutawaffeeka', within or outside the Koran."The controversy rages on in Sura 4, An-nisa, 157:"That they said [in boast], We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God; But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no [certain] knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.From this sura comes the popular belief of Muslims that Allah cast the likeness of Jesus onto another man and that this man was the one crucified while Jesus was snatched into heaven. Muslims believe that the world was deceived into believing that it was Jesus that was crucified.The Chief culprit in this deception is Allah himself. Whoever invented this clever fable actually did a good job for Islam, but not a thorough one. He fell short of identifying the Jesus substitute, thereby leaving room for more controversies.Muslims deem it convenient to select Judas Iscariot since he was the one that betrayed Jesus. But that cannot be since Judas, after betraying Jesus, was overwhelmed with guilt and committed suicide (Matthew 27:3-5). And so Muslims must swim and eventually sink (unless they repent) in the ocean of dilemma into which Allah and Koran have immersed them.Realizing the untenable nature of the ambiguous statement in Sura 4:157, some scholars are busy experimenting with more "suitable" theories. One such scholar is the aggressive sophist, Ahmed Deedat. In one of his specious arguments entitled Resurrection or Resuscitation?, Deedat propounded the "Swoon theory" as a theory that Jesus survived the cross half dead and recovered afterwards in a roomy grave.The repeated denial of Jesus' death on the cross in Sura 4:157 not only exposes Allah's deception, but it also exposes his ignorance of prophetic tradition. The true God mentioned the triumph of Messiah (Jesus) over Satan through death when He gave the promise in the garden of Eden (Genesis 3:15). The Prophet Isaiah predicted His (Jesus) virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14) and also His atoning death (Isaiah 53:5-9). The Prophet David, whom Muslims call Anabiya Dauda, also prophesied Jesus' death (Psalm 16:10), a prophecy which is confirmed in Acts 13:32-35.If you are the kind of person who is skeptical of fulfilled prophecies, then consider one that will be fulfilled at Christ's second coming:"And I will pour upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of Grace and supplications; and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" (Zech 12:10; CF. Rev. 1:7).An Allah who is ignorant of these prophecies cannot be a true God even if he claims to be one. As we see in Surat al-Maryam, 15: "So peace on him [refers to John] the day he was born, the day that he dies and the day that he will be raised up alive [again]!"And verse 33 of the same sura:"So peace is on me [Jesus] the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day I shall be raised up to life."There is no arguing the fact that Muslims believe the Apostle John (Yahaya) was born and died according to the first verse. Then why not believe the same of Jesus the Christ according to the second verse?Because the order of the two verses is the same and the wordings are practically the same. The context in the second can only mean one thing.Yusuf Ali seems to realize this fact. 1 In comparing Sura 19:15 with Sura 19:33, he commented thus:"Christ was not crucified (Sura 4:157) but those who believed He never died should ponder over this verse (i.e. 33 of Surat al-Maryam)".Some do not want to believe the crucifixion on the ground that God would not have allowed His chosen prophet like Jesus to be killed by wicked hands. Such reasoning is refuted by the Koran itself.They (also) said:"God took our promise not to believe in an apostle unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by fire [from heaven]. Say: 'there came to you apostles before me, with clear signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?' " (Sura 3:183).If we examine the whole Koran, we find that the only messenger who came from God with the kind of offering described in the above quoted sura is Christ as can be seen in Sura 5:115-117.The Apostle Paul, whom Muslims hate to hear, made an amazing remark concerning the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. A remark which makes a mockery of anyone trying to deny this historical event."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He arose again the third day according to the Scriptures: And that He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep" (1 Corinthians 15:3-6).In essence, the Apostle Paul is saying this: if you are in doubt, go and ask the eyewitnesses. If the Muslims knew the importance of the cross in Gods program, they certainly would not have rejected it. Satan knows that he met his Waterloo through the death and resurrection of Jesus:"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also Himself [Jesus] likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that hath the power of death, that is the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their life time subject to bondage" (Hebrews 2:14, 15).This was the sole mission of Christ and He accomplished it, praise God. Contrary to Muslim allegations, neither Christ nor Paul established a religion. Religion is Satan's dragnet to catch men into Hell-fire, while Christ came purposely to conquer Satan and deliver as many as put their trust in Him. Does the Koran inform us of how Allah defeated Satan? No, on the contrary, Allah even incorporates Satan's cohorts (the jinns demons) into the Islamic fold (Sura 72:14), and concentrates on fighting against the Salvation plan of the Bible God.Historic Note: In Jerusalem, on the ancient temple mount of God most Holy, Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, in 688 AD, built the Dome of the Rock as a memorial to Muhammad. The Dome was erected just 300 feet south of where the Solomonic Temple once stood, and only a few hundred yards from where Jesus was crucified. Within the Dome is a prominent inscription in Arabic that reads: "God forbid that He should have a Son."
     
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    Other Imam lies about Christians - statuesChristians do not pray to statues! Many Christians, especially Catholics, do use statues as "visual aids" when praying. Even Catholics do not pray to the plaster or wood, but are thinking beyond this to God, Mary and the Saints. No one is allowed by the Catholic Church to pray to images since they have no ears to hear or power to help us. The Catholic Church allows for the veneration (respect) of images as long as the honor is directed towards Christ and His saints. Read more on this by Reverend M. James Divis here ISLAM, LIKE SATAN - WANTS ONLY SLAVES....Most Muslims do not realize that Islam allows no freedom. This alone should make them realize that it is Satan behind Islam, and not an eternal God. Satan wishes only to enslave Muslims to help him enslave the entire world. He does this by turning them away from the truth -- that salvation is yours already, if you only have faith in God's Son, Jesus. Islam is a religion based on intimidation and fear. The word "Islam" does not mean "peace." It means "submission." A Muslim is not allowed to leave Islam or else risk his or her life. At birth, a person is branded either Muslim or non-Muslim depending on one's descent. Among other things, the religion of Islam is a brain-washing religion, and that is why so many Muslims turn into crazy mindless zombies. The Muslims are required to pray 5 times a day in Arabic to a God who is not there, from the moment they embrace Islam; and when they do so they touch their head to the floor. That is one reason they get so brain-washed, this repetitive prayer. You can often spot fanatical Muslims by the marks on their foreheads resulting from this repetitive touching their head to the floor, where they may whack their head if they really get into it. As an example, take a look at the below image (and all others released) of Osama's Al Qaida second in command, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, who always gives an anti-U.S. rant; Dr. Ayman has this tell-tale bruise on his forehead from too much head-whacking. If you are a Muslim, and not praying the mandatory 5 times a day (in Arabic), which must be preceded by the ritual washing/ablution (Wudu) , according to Muhammad you are in great danger of going to hell. Muslims may be excused from observing the other pillars of Islam like fasting, almsgiving, pilgrimage to Mecca. But, no Muslim is ever excused from mandatory 5 times a day prayer. In Christianity there is no compulsion or mandatory prayer. The Lord God has given Christians free will. Christians know they are to honor God every day, and not just on a Sunday. Muslims should count their "blessings". During Muhammad's fanciful mystical Night Journey to Heaven, Muhammad said that he was originally told by Allah to command his followers to pray fifty times daily, but later Allah revealed this to be too much of a burden. What Muhammad probably meant was he soon found out that even he couldn't keep up with fifty mandatory prayer sessions a day. So like many Sura's you'll see below, miraculously a Sura appeared to help Muhammad out in his personal life.In Christianity, there is no such compulsion. Yahweh wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers. Christians know enough to speak with God as their "Abba" (literally - daddy in Aramaic). Muslims typically never even think of one-on-one, two-way prayers to God. Muslim prayers resemble a "broadcast"; and no reply from their Allah is usually ever expected. Jesus told us: "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen (pagans) do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." Matthew 6:7 - 8 How to spot the truly fanatical MuslimNotice top of Ayman al-Zawahiri's forehead Satan, Muhammad and al-Zawahiri all "rail" against the cross!CAIRO, Egypt, Dec. 11, 2005 In a taped message Ayman al-Zawahiri, urged all Muslims to take up arms and said their refusal to join the fight against "the Cross and Zionism" was a "malignant illness" that would only lead to the defeat of militant Islam. Another example of this mindless zombie behavior you see in Muslims is the Shiite Muslim "holiday" of Ashoura, commemorating the death of Muhammad's grandson Husayn. Some Shiite Muslims stab themselves in the head on this "holiday", making a cut on their heads and beating the wound so it keeps bleeding. And the "bleeders" then walk around in groups yelling. And the cruelest and worst practice of Muslims is their practice of genital cutting (aka: FGC, Female Genital Cutting), genital mutilation, of young girls in Muslim countries. It has been estimated that approximately 2 million infants, young girls, and women are subjected to this painful and needless practice each year worldwide. FGC is typically done without anesthesia or antibiotics. Ashoura holiday head cutting with knivesclick picture to enlarge A symptom of enslavement:Islamic law encourages Muslims to proselytize (convert others). Islam, however, clearly forbids others to proselytize to Muslims. This is because hearing the truth as revealed in the Christian Bible would weaken this false path to God (Islam). BUT, WHAT ABOUT THE CRUSADES - YOU MAY BE ASKING:Every Christian who participated in the Crusades, did so, against the teachings of Jesus.However, in retrospect, the Crusades probably allowed the western world a thousand years of freedom from the diabolical Islamic religion. The Crusaders stopped the expansion of the Islamic empire. This allowed Christianity to prosper in Europe which preserved the gospel for the rest of the world to receive. The Crusades were a reaction to the Muslim crusades against the entire world. In the 7th century, the Muslims took control of Jerusalem, and in the 11th century they began to hassle, kill, molest Christian pilgrims in the Jerusalem area. The Muslim Turks even attacked Rome and Belgrade in 1456 A.D. The Crusades were also in response to the cries of help from the eastern Byzantine Empire, which was very worried about the military threat to it from the Seljuk Turks. So if the Christians did not respond, the Muslims would have conquered all of Europe and wiped out Christianity from the planet. Did this have any significance to Osama bin Laden's sick mind? The Muslim high point in Europe ended when they were turned back from Vienna on September 11, 1683 A.D. In AD 1009, Kalif Hakem of Egypt ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulcher and all Christian places of worship in Jerusalem. Christians were persecuted cruelly and pilgrims were attacked.Here is a speech from Pope Urban II to Christians from this Crusader era:For your brethren who live in the east are in urgent need of your help, and you must hasten to give them the aid which has often been promised to them. For, as most of you have heard, the Turks and Arabs have attacked them and have conquered the territory of Romania (the Greek empire) as far west as the shore of the Mediterranean and the Hellespont, which is called the Arm of St. George. They have occupied more and more of the lands of those Christians, and have overcome them in seven battles. They have killed and captured many, and have destroyed the churches and devastated the empire. If you permit them to continue thus for a while with impunity, the faithful of God will be much more widely attacked by them. On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. SPAIN UNDER THE MOORSNeither was Spain under the Muslim Moors the jewel of Islamic tolerance that it is often purported to be. In 920 A.D. all the inhabitants of Muez were put to the sword. Cordova, Zarajoza and Merida were burned to the ground, with all adult males executed and all women and children enslaved. In AD 1066 all the Jews of Grenada were slaughtered. In AD 1126, all the Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco.CARNAGE IN CONSTANTINOPLEUnder Mehmet II the Turks conquered the great Byzantine capital, Constantinople. On 29 May, 1453 A.D., waves of Turkish soldiers swept into Constantinople, the greatest city in the world at that time, and put it to the sword. Priceless libraries and irreplaceable works of art were burned, the population slaughtered, even in the Hagia Sophia, the greatest Christian church in the world at that time. For centuries the Turks demanded an annual “blood levy” of Christian boys. Parents were forced to hand over one out of every five Christian boys for service in the Sultan’s army as janissaries.In 1860 over 12,000 Christians were slaughtered in Lebanon. In 1876 14,700 Bulgarians were murdered by the Turks. 200,000 Armenian Christians were slaughtered by the Turks in Bayazid in 1877. And in 1915 the Turks massacred over 1.5 million Armenian Christians. As recently as September 1922 the Turkish army destroyed the ancient city of Smyrna with its 300,000 Christian population.
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most Merciful(Amy;16009)
    Please read the rest @ http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm
    Dear amy, if you really got the information from the Islamic scholars, that would be great [​IMG], but because you got from your own environment then how come they can understand what is the real meaning from what is inside the Islamic teach ?The same thing will be considered if i'm do the same to your faith. But i wouldn't do that, why ? Because the most know what the real meaning what is in your faith, ofcourse your faith scholars then I do.Some of the text that you are quote, most of them if not all of them, has been answered in http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htm .So if you guys want to know how is Islamic perspective not the unbelievers of Islamic faith perspective ofcourse, you can go to that website, and not just that, if you are really know well your faith, then try to argue the argument that our scholars ask to your faith in that website. You will see something that make you don't believe what is in your faith [​IMG] like the you way you describe our faith falsely.So again, if that just what you know on islamic teach, then i just say to you, what a pitty though.And i do hope all of you read what as an answer from what amy has brought to this forum on that website http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htm.And for the admin, i think you should know what you has to do on this thread [​IMG]. If not, i'm really sorry to you, i will broke the rule that you have made regarding on this thread.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulDear amy, if you really got the information from the Islamic scholars, that would be great [​IMG], but because you got from your own environment then how come they can understand what is the real meaning from what is inside the Islamic teach ?The same thing will be considered if i'm do the same to your faith. But i wouldn't do that, why ? Because the most know what the real meaning what is in your faith, ofcourse your faith scholars then I do.Some of the text that you are quote, most of them if not all of them, has been answered in http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htm .So if you guys want to know how is Islamic perspective not the unbelievers of Islamic faith perspective ofcourse, you can go to that website, and not just that, if you are really know well your faith, then try to argue the argument that our scholars ask to your faith in that website. You will see something that make you don't believe what is in your faith [​IMG] like the you way you describe our faith falsely.So again, if that just what you know on islamic teach, then i just say to you, what a pitty though.And i do hope all of you read what as an answer from what amy has brought to this forum on that website http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htm.And for the admin, i think you should know what you has to do on this thread [​IMG]. If not, i'm really sorry to you, i will broke the rule that you have made regarding on this thread.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    Dear Ricky,Just because this link dose not praise Islam, dose not make it is unauthentic. The whole study is provided with links and references from Quran / sunah and Hadith for convenience.This research is for educational purpose, whoever cares to know in detail and is keen to find the truth. Tolerance my friend, Islam can not be destroyed by a research... isn't it? Other than that, there are many muslim forums where material against Christianity are shared and there are specail sections dedicated to such cause. In addition, such threads are kept closed. Here at least you have the freedom to say what you just said which as per this forum rules should be edited as now we know where your questions are coming from and with what intention.Relax,-Amy
     
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    Dear Ricky,Just because this link dose not praise Islam, dose not make it is unauthentic. The whole study is provided with links and references from Quran / sunah and Hadith for convenience.
    As I said before my dear friend amy, if you got interpretation on unbelievers of muslim faith then you will get like the way you got on that website, then I said unto you, it would great that if you are getting that interpretation or perception regarding on Muslim scholars rather then unbelievers of muslim faith.
    This research is for educational purpose, whoever cares to know in detail. Tolerance my friend, Islam can not be destroyed by a research... isn't it?
    You will know the different between research and blashpemy my friend, to be honestly it burn my heart a lot, if you say that it was research, then how come i event not seen in that website that where that they got interpretation ? They just only quote some of the them and throw the others, that i can understand. In Islam there are some of them to be learn to understand what is in Sunnah and Quran my Friend, so if you are haven't learned that, how come you can get a good interpretation. The same thing will be appeard on me if i'm learning what is the interlinier greek for NT etc, and hebrew word for OT etc.Islam cannot be destroyed by permisson of God(insya Allah), you will be always see Islam raise until the end of the day.But what I see in that website was not research at all, it was more to blashpemy. The conclusion that they bring was not event in Islamic perception, but how come then they give a conclusion that Islam was bla.. bla.. bla.. meanwhile Islam it self doesn't has the meaning that those website gave.
    Other than that, there are many muslim forums where material against Christianity are shared and there are specail sections dedicated to such cause. In addition, such threads are kept closed. Here at least you have the freedom to say what you just said.Relax,-Amy
    I do hope you also read what was in the website that i gave you, so you will have balance viewing on Islamic teach, if what you mean was for research. If not, then you are indeed want to blashpemy Islam, and may God point you His Clue, if not then you will see what would be happen to your life my friend.My friend amy, it is not the matter of freedom of speach, every forum has theire own rule and regulation. You are not the admin in this forum, event you was not the longest member in here. So if you not mind to be remind, please don't act like the way you are the owner of the forum or the administrator forum, because you are not. So admin you should know what you has todo regarding on this unrelated subforum thread. Unless the rule was off specially to this sub forum.So amy, i think you sould respect the regulation of the forum, if you not mind to be remind [​IMG].Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulAs I said before my dear friend amy, if you got interpretation on unbelievers of muslim faith then you will get like the way you got on that website, then I said unto you, it would great that if you are getting that interpretation or perception regarding on Muslim scholars rather then unbelievers of muslim faith.You will know the different between research and blashpemy my friend, to be honestly it burn my heart a lot, if you say that it was research, then how come i event not seen in that website that where that they got interpretation ? They just only quote some of the them and throw the others, that i can understand. In Islam there are some of them to be learn to understand what is in Sunnah and Quran my Friend, so if you are haven't learned that, how come you can get a good interpretation. The same thing will be appeard on me if i'm learning what is the interlinier greek for NT etc, and hebrew word for OT etc.Islam cannot be destroyed by permisson of God(insya Allah), you will be always see Islam raise until the end of the day.But what I see in that website was not research at all, it was more to blashpemy. The conclusion that they bring was not event in Islamic perception, but how come then they give a conclusion that Islam was bla.. bla.. bla.. meanwhile Islam it self doesn't has the meaning that those website gave.I do hope you also read what was in the website that i gave you, so you will have balance viewing on Islamic teach, if what you mean was for research. If not, then you are indeed want to blashpemy Islam, and may God point you His Clue, if not then you will see what would be happen to your life my friend.My friend amy, it is not the matter of freedom of speach, every forum has theire own rule and regulation. You are not the admin in this forum, event you was not the longest member in here. So if you not mind to be remind, please don't act like the way you are the owner of the forum or the administrator forum, because you are not. So admin you should know what you has todo regarding on this unrelated subforum thread. Unless the rule was off specially to this sub forum.So amy, i think you sould respect the regulation of the forum, if you not mind to be remind [​IMG].Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    Dear Ricky,It surprises me that instead of picking from this research and proving it wrong you are picking on me [​IMG]If you can prove that whatever is written in this research is not as per the quranic references provided and are wrongly quoted, without involving christianity as an escape goat, then please feel free to enlighten us.Regards,-Amy
     
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    Dear Ricky,It surprises me that instead of picking from this research and proving it wrong you are picking on me [​IMG].
    Dear amy,I'm not attend to picking you up. But i also don't know what you up to bring this kind of thread to the forum. But if you felt like that, i do appologize for it, but for me indeed this was burn my heart a lot. And not just that amy, you surely know that this forum named with Answer for NonChristians, unless this forum named with answer for NonMuslims, then what you are bringing with would be fit. So in here, i can tell if you continuing it, that would be broke the rule. I just want to do my best to stig on the rule, not trying to broke it.
    If you can prove that whatever is written in this research is not as per the quranic references provided and are wrongly quoted, without involving christianity as an escape goat, then please feel free to enlighten us.Regards,-Amy
    I already give you the website that most of what in the website that you bring were already been answer on the website that i gave you. I repeated again the website that answering it regarding on yours. [url="http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htm]http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htm [/url]Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    And not just that amy, you surely know that this forum named with Answer for NonChristians, unless this forum named with answer for NonMuslims, then what you are bringing with would be fit.
    This material is intented for Non-Christians who are confused. Therfore, very rightly placed.I am sorry if you feel hurt. My intention is to seek truth and spread truth, which is often bitter for the opposed!Regards,-Amy
     
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    This material is intented for Non-Christians who are confused. Therfore, very rightly placed.I am sorry if you feel hurt. My intention is to seek truth and spread truth, which is often bitter for the opposed!Regards,-Amy
    Verily, please forgive me for my misunderstanding :pray3:.If that so what you has said, then i do hope you read the answer in the link that i gave, after that it is good if you bring also the true meaning on Islam perception regarding on your 'research website'. So i can see that you are trying to seek the truth and spread it.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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    I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulVerily, please forgive me for my misunderstanding :pray3:.If that so what you has said, then i do hope you read the answer in the link that i gave, after that it is good if you bring also the true meaning on Islam perception regarding on your 'research website'. So i can see that you are trying to seek the truth and spread it.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
    Yeah I am reading the link. Don't muslims believe that Jesus was born from a virgin? That his birth was a miracle? How can you call such a child ''Son of Man'' (as per your link) who was not born of Man but God?Why such hypocrisy? If you can accept and believe as a muslim that Jesus was born from a virgin why is concept of trinity so unacceptable?And that is just one argument [​IMG]
     
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    We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam's "believers" by Islam's history of withholding the truth about its founder to them -- - and the circumstances surrounding its inception -- than any "damage" this true history below can cause.
    James 1:26 - If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.(Christianity vs Islam Post 3)
    The Qur'an says Jesus did not die on a cross.
    Philippians 2:8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.(Christianity vs Islam Post 3)
    Islam says Jesus Christ is not the Son of God or part of any Trinity
    John 9:35 - Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?John 10:34-36 - Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.Amy...thank you for the posts. I throughly enjoyed it...Becuse it spoke truth, about these false religion. (I read some of it) :blessyou:Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Yeah I am reading the link. Don't muslims believe that Jesus was born from a virgin? That his birth was a miracle?
    Ok amy, i'll try my best to explain to you according to what i understand on Islamic base regarding on permission from Denver Hunter in the shoutbox.All moslems believe and trust that Ieshua (pbuh) was born from Mary the Virgin. And it is true that all moslems must believe that it was one of the miracle that God (Allah) has given to Ieshua(pbuh), please note that, God giving to him(not came by itself).
    How can you call such a child ''Son of Man'' (as per your link) who was not born of Man but God?
    If you not mind to be corrected, God doesn't born Ieshua(pbuh), it is a virgin Mary who born Ieshua(pbuh).Event him self often to call him self as Son of man and that was inform in your literature in the NT. Then the same question it's should be appear on you too amy, so how can Ieshua(pbuh) call him self as son of man, meanwhile not born of man but God ?KJV Matthew 8:20And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.Matthew 9:6But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.etc, there are more then 20 word that saying that he(pbuh) claimed him self to be Son of man.source : [url="http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=%22son+of+man%22&searchtype=all&version1=9&spanbegin=1&spanend=73startnumber=76&startnumber=126&startnumber=101&startnumber=126]http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index....startnumber=126[/url]
    Why such hypocrisy? If you can accept and believe as a muslim that Jesus was born from a virgin why is concept of trinity so unacceptable?
    Hypocrisy ? Then you are calling your 'God' as hypocrisy as well my dear friend amy [​IMG].Because it related on the monotheist of God itself. In the OT it is clearly describe how God is not human nor has human behaviour.And one another think, it is very easily to God to create creature from one parent, event without parent God can create creature easily. Then how come the creature that being create through one parent can considered as God meanwhile without parent also God able to do such of think. So it is not hypocrisy, amy [​IMG]. Or perhaps you are the one who are hypocrisy ? If there is creature who born without father considered as God, how Adam that come without any parent cannot be considered as God ?
    And that is just one argument [​IMG]
    And that is my answer my friend.Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
     
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