Name a really bad doctrine that needs retiring

[This Vale Of Tears]

Yes Jesus turned water into wine but many people use that scripture as an excuse to engage in drunkenness and alcoholism.

David Wilkerson must be turning over in his grave with Christians still insisting that Jesus had anything to do with alcoholic beverages.

 

[StanJ]

I knew Wilkerson personally, and he was NOT right above everything, especially this subject. A great man of God, but fallible nonetheless.

 

[Enquirer]

"If the devil is attacking you, then it's because God is about to do something good in your life".

It's a great encourager to hear this, but it's absolutely false.
Adam, Eve, Judas, Saul, Cain, Ananias, Sappira and dozens more in Scripture and thousands upon thousands of martyrs were ALL
"attacked by the devil", so to speak and it was not because God was about to do something in their lives.

Entire messages have revolved around this "fact" and Christians are so blind to this that they fall for it ... wake up Christian and
read your Bible.
You can be sure that a "giving" message to "get you out of this mess" is hot on the heels of this rubbish.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

"If the devil is attacking you, then it's because God is about to do something good in your life".

It's a great encourager to hear this, but it's absolutely false.
Adam, Eve, Judas, Saul, Cain, Ananias, Sappira and dozens more in Scripture and thousands upon thousands of martyrs were ALL
"attacked by the devil", so to speak and it was not because God was about to do something in their lives.

Entire messages have revolved around this "fact" and Christians are so blind to this that they fall for it ... wake up Christian and
read your Bible.
You can be sure that a "giving" message to "get you out of this mess" is hot on the heels of this rubbish.

I think the sentiment is flawed, but perhaps from the opposite perspective. I believe that God is ALWAYS at work in people's lives, and not only Christians but unbelievers too. Those who come to Christ and give their testimony can look back on their lives and see all the times God was working on them, speaking to them, wooing them to accept His love. So the question is, when is God NOT working in people's lives, doing something good? The answer is never.

 

[Angelina]

Psalms 37
4 Delight yourself also in the Lord,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

I do not know how many times I have come across this scripture being used as a form of approval for believers to pursue a potential life partner, although the person they are pursuing may not feel the same way....When we delight ourselves in the Lord, our desires change. This scripture is about righteousness and justice as we put our trust in the Lord, in comparison to the calamity of the wicked.

 

[StanJ]

Psalms 37
4 Delight yourself also in the Lord,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

I do not know how many times I have come across this scripture being used as a form of approval for believers to pursue a potential life partner, although the person they are pursuing may not feel the same way....When we delight ourselves in the Lord, our desires change. This scripture is about righteousness and justice as we put our trust in the Lord, in comparison to the calamity of the wicked.

I totally agree with this.

 

[Doxiemom]

With apologies and no ill will towards any of the good and faithful Catholics here, I would have the doctrine of "purgatory" be done away with.
There is heaven and there is hell. There is no place called purgatory in Scripture.


All doctrine concerning Mary as co-redemptrix.
Jesus is the one and only Redemer

I would like to re-affirm the existence of the Trinity

When Jesus was being baptized , all three manifestations of God were present- The Father Who spoke from Heaven, His Son , His only Begotten, and the Holy Spirit, Who came down from heaven and rested as a Dove upon Him As the Father spoke.

belief or dis-belief in any of above, are not required for salvation, methinks.

 

[epostle1]

With apologies and no ill will towards any of the good and faithful Catholics here, I would have the doctrine of "purgatory" be done away with.
There is heaven and there is hell. There is no place called purgatory in Scripture.

All doctrine concerning Mary as co-redemptrix.
Jesus is the one and only Redemer.

Yes, Jesus is the one and only redeemer. That is a Catholic doctrine you borrowed from us.
Co-redemptorix does not mean equal-redemptorix. The CC has never taught that. A co-pilot of an airplane does not have equal authority as the captain. "Co" in co-redeemer, co-Mediatrix, etc. is Collaborator. Mary "assisted" in our redemption and she assists in our mediation with Christ.
This context does not give Mary equal status with Christ, or usurp Christ in anyway. She, rather, merely cooperated and collaborated with Christ.
In a sense we, too, are co-mediators every time we pray for someone. We are offering intercession/mediation for our friend when we pray for them. This does not make us God or equal with God, it only means that we are cooperating with the economy of God when he asked us to be a family and pray for each other.

In terms of Mary as co-redeemer, she did in fact, cooperate in the redemption. When she made her fiat to accept God's will for her to bear the Christ Child she was cooperating in the redemption of mankind for it was through her that the Redeemer came into the world. Mary is "BLESSED" by the grace of Christ; nothing by her own merits. I notice that hostile objectors to Marian doctrines keep Jesus out of the discussion most of the time.
The solution to problems like this is education. "co" just simply does NOT mean "equal to".

co-redeemer, co-Mediatrix are not dogmatic titles so technically the post has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[epostle1]

With apologies and no ill will towards any of the good and faithful Catholics here, I would have the doctrine of "purgatory" be done away with.
There is heaven and there is hell. There is no place called purgatory in Scripture.

"Trinity" is not in Scripture either. The point is, the TERM purgatory is not in Scripture, but the meeting of God's justice and mercy, a concept your belief system may lack, is certainly derived from Scripture. Here is a list of about 30 verses supporting the doctrine of Purgatory
meeting of God's justice and mercy. That's what purgatory is and if you can't find it in the Scriptures you have my sympathy.

 

[epostle1]

1. The bad doctrine (one at a time please)
2. Your analysis on why it is bad

Sola Scriptura (SS) or Bible Alone Theology

Far from distinguishing tradition from the gospel, as evangelicals often contend, the Bible equates tradition with the gospel and other terms such as "word of God," "doctrine," "holy commandment," "faith," and "things believed among us." All are "delivered" and "received":

1) Traditions "delivered" (1 Cor 11:2), "taught by word or epistle" (2 Thes 2:15), and "received" (2 Thes 3:6).

2) The Gospel "preached" and "received" (1 Cor 15:1-2, Gal 1:9,12, 1 Thes 2:9).

3) Word of God "heard" and "received" (Acts 8:14, 1 Thes 2:13).

4) Doctrine "delivered" (Rom 6:17; cf. Acts 2:42).

5) Holy Commandment "delivered" (2 Pet 2:21; cf. Mt 15:3-9, Mk 7:8-13).

6) The Faith "delivered" (Jude 3).

7) "Things believed among us" "delivered" (Lk 1:1-2).

Clearly, all these concepts are synonymous in Scripture, and all are predominantly oral. In St. Paul's writing alone we find four of these expressions used interchangeably. And in just the two Thessalonian epistles, "gospel," "word of God," and "tradition" are regarded as referring to the same thing. Thus, we must unavoidably conclude that "tradition" is not a dirty word in the Bible. Or, if one insists on maintaining that it is, then "gospel" and "word of God" are also bad words! Scripture allows no other conclusion - the exegetical evidence is simply too plain.


Thus, the Bible cannot be separated and isolated from tradition and a developmental process. Christianity does not take the view of Islam, whose written Revelation, the Q'uran, simply came down from heaven from Allah to Mohammad, without involving human participation in the least. Some extreme, fundamentalist forms of "Sola Scriptura" have a very similar outlook, but these fail the test of Scripture itself, like all the other manifestations of the "Bible Alone" mentality. As we have seen, Scripture does not nullify or anathematize Christian Tradition, which is larger and more all-encompassing than itself - quite the contrary.

In Catholicism, Scripture and Tradition are intrinsically interwoven. They have been described as "twin fonts of the one divine well-spring" (i.e., Revelation), and cannot be separated, any more than can two wings of a bird. A theology which attempts to sunder this organic bond is ultimately logically self-defeating, unbiblical, and divorced from the actual course of early Christian history.

 

[Angelina]

Hi Kepha, nice to see you back!

 

[StanJ]

Sola Scriptura (SS) or Bible Alone Theology

Far from distinguishing tradition from the gospel, as evangelicals often contend, the Bible equates tradition with the gospel and other terms such as "word of God," "doctrine," "holy commandment," "faith," and "things believed among us." All are "delivered" and "received":

1) Traditions "delivered" (1 Cor 11:2), "taught by word or epistle" (2 Thes 2:15), and "received" (2 Thes 3:6).

2) The Gospel "preached" and "received" (1 Cor 15:1-2, Gal 1:9,12, 1 Thes 2:9).

3) Word of God "heard" and "received" (Acts 8:14, 1 Thes 2:13).

4) Doctrine "delivered" (Rom 6:17; cf. Acts 2:42).

5) Holy Commandment "delivered" (2 Pet 2:21; cf. Mt 15:3-9, Mk 7:8-13).

6) The Faith "delivered" (Jude 3).

7) "Things believed among us" "delivered" (Lk 1:1-2).

Clearly, all these concepts are synonymous in Scripture, and all are predominantly oral. In St. Paul's writing alone we find four of these expressions used interchangeably. And in just the two Thessalonian epistles, "gospel," "word of God," and "tradition" are regarded as referring to the same thing. Thus, we must unavoidably conclude that "tradition" is not a dirty word in the Bible. Or, if one insists on maintaining that it is, then "gospel" and "word of God" are also bad words! Scripture allows no other conclusion - the exegetical evidence is simply too plain.


Thus, the Bible cannot be separated and isolated from tradition and a developmental process. Christianity does not take the view of Islam, whose written Revelation, the Q'uran, simply came down from heaven from Allah to Mohammad, without involving human participation in the least. Some extreme, fundamentalist forms of "Sola Scriptura" have a very similar outlook, but these fail the test of Scripture itself, like all the other manifestations of the "Bible Alone" mentality. As we have seen, Scripture does not nullify or anathematize Christian Tradition, which is larger and more all-encompassing than itself - quite the contrary.

In Catholicism, Scripture and Tradition are intrinsically interwoven. They have been described as "twin fonts of the one divine well-spring" (i.e., Revelation), and cannot be separated, any more than can two wings of a bird. A theology which attempts to sunder this organic bond is ultimately logically self-defeating, unbiblical, and divorced from the actual course of early Christian history.

The tradition that scripture conveys, IS God's Word alone. As Jesus said in Matt 4:4 (NIV), and by the NUMBER of times He said, "IT IS WRITTEN".
Paul talked about tradition in what he preached, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as being the tradition we should follow. EVERYTHING in God written word is sufficient for our daily needs. He wrote in Col 2:8;
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

 

[heretoeternity]

Stay away from the doctrines and traditions of man which conflict with the Bible....As Jesus said in Mark 7 and Matthew 15...follow the Commandments of God, and NOT the traditions of man...seems clear enough, if you do what Jesus said, as a Christian you are on the Narrow path which leaders to salvation....

 

[ATP]

NON-OSAS. Believing that God will throw His children into the lake of fire if they don't obey.

 

[heretoeternity]

Philippians 2 "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!

 

[ATP]

Philippians 2 "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!

Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works.

 

[StanJ]

Philippians 2 "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!

I have no idea what the first part has to do with the second part?
Are you JW?

 

[heretoeternity]

Keep working on it Stan you will figure it out I am sure....
BTW are you a Muslim?

 

[StanJ]

Keep working on it Stan you will figure it out I am sure....
BTW are you a Muslim?

So does this mean you don't know or won't say?

 

[heretoeternity]

It's simple, even you should be able to figure it out...are you Muslim or Buddhist? Maybe take you a while longer!