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Nationalism As a Religion
Nationalism, just as religion has its fathers of the 'faith', its 'sacred' writings, symbols, its creeds and oaths of allegiance, songs/hymns of praise, it's shrines, its heroes of the 'faith' and martyrs, defenders of the 'faith', the crime of treason/heresy, requirements/demands for sacrifice and service, and financial obligations. Nations grant 'absolution' for acts done to defend it that other wise would be crimes. It has willing followers who pledge their lives, fortunes, sacred honor, and families to defend it. It has rewards for service, ideals and goals that unite believers, and offers an identity that transcends self for the perceived common good. Nationalism just as false religion uses myths (lies widely believed to be true) to keep their adherants compliant with the leaders' carnal agendas. Here is an example of this use of lies by a long deceased expert:
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

When a Christian worships at the altar of nationalism/patriotism he is simply bowing down to another religion just as Nebuchadnezzer required.

Christians worship at this altar when they send their sons and daughters off to fight, kill, be maimed and die in its carnal wars, allow their children to be brained washed by the propaganda of US history, engage in the uncleanness of partisan politics, swear oaths to serve it, and pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth that is the symbol of a nation that has done at least as much evil as good in the world, as well as within its own borders.
Shadrach, Meshack, and Abed-Nego understood this and so refused to bow down. They knew what kingdom they were citizens of just as Daniel did, and the true nature of ALL earthly kingdoms. Christians do not seem to know this and pay a very high price because they do not.


First it is pledging allegiance to something that as Christians we cannot support and is a lie. This nation is not under God in the sense it obeys Him, there is NOT liberty and justice for all, and that God's name is Jesus.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
AND
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

AND Psalm 2:1 Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

THIS IS THE NEARLY COMPLETED PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE TRAINING USED BY THE MILITARY TO TURN HUMANS INTO KILLERS WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT GOD BUILT INTO ALL. THE MARINES SEEM TO BE THE BEST AT THIS. PLEASE SEE ON KILLING BY DAVE GROSSMAN. HIS SOLUTIONS ARE JUNK BUT HIS THESIS IS RIGHT ON.

THE US AIR FORCE HAS A SEMINAR FOR ITS OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAUNCHING NUCLEAR MISSILES THAT QUOTES THE BIBLE TO PROVE JESUS SAYS IT IS OK TO DO. IT IS TAUGHT BY A CHAPLIN. JESUS NOWHERE SAYS THIS, NOR DOES THE BIBLE.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation, but Christians in nations being salt and light. The book of Daniel is an excellent commentary on God's view of all government through all time. Note Dan 2:46- 49 compared to chapter 3. Note the mistake Daniel made in 2:46 and 48 which opened the door for chapter 3 to happen. Daniel learned however: Dan 5:16-17. God calls Nebuchadnezzar the greatest ruler in all history. Note what He says about him in Daniel 4:17.

The flag being pledged to is soaked in innocent blood, both of its own citizens and people world wide. Most believe that WWII was a 'just' war for Christians. I will give an examples that it was not. On the night of March 8/9, 1945 over 900 B29's fire bombed Tokyo from 9000 feet. More civilians were killed that night then in Hiroshima. Crews said they could smell the burning flesh. The planes were pressurized! The commander that ordered it said he would be tried as a war criminal if the US lost the war. This was repeated on nearly every major Japanese city except two. They were saved for another purpose.

In the first major US bombing raid that was targeting civilians instead of military targets in Germany the aiming point was the front steps of the city's cathedral at about noon. The lead bombardier questioned it but was ordered to do it. He did. Then there is the example of Dresden and MANY MORE. There is no such thing as a just war for a disciple of Jesus. Who would Jesus shoot?

American history books are largely packed with lies and half truths. I taught high school social studies for 22 years and this was one reason Jesus told me to leave teaching. I have since discovered it is much worse than I thought.
All this having been said we are to pray for the government and those in authority, honor those in authority, not be critical, and obey the laws unless they cause us to sin i.e. fight and kill in war. Jesus teaching is AGAINST any civil disobedience for our 'rights'!
 
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OR is this what the liberal, Commies WANT us the think......
 

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Sounds just like the Nationalism of the unbelieving orthodox Phariseeic Jews!

In whatever country they wandered into, they for the most part refused to become true citizens joined with the people, and instead kept their own ways and ultra-orthodox Nationalist ideals for takeover, creating quite a stir against Christianity in many European countries in history, which caused the Christian monarchies and governments of many of those European countries of history to deport them.
 

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Nationalism As a Religion
Nationalism, just as religion has its fathers of the 'faith', its 'sacred' writings, symbols, its creeds and oaths of allegiance, songs/hymns of praise, it's shrines, its heroes of the 'faith' and martyrs, defenders of the 'faith', the crime of treason/heresy, requirements/demands for sacrifice and service, and financial obligations. Nations grant 'absolution' for acts done to defend it that other wise would be crimes. It has willing followers who pledge their lives, fortunes, sacred honor, and families to defend it. It has rewards for service, ideals and goals that unite believers, and offers an identity that transcends self for the perceived common good. Nationalism just as false religion uses myths (lies widely believed to be true) to keep their adherants compliant with the leaders' carnal agendas. Here is an example of this use of lies by a long deceased expert:
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

When a Christian worships at the altar of nationalism/patriotism he is simply bowing down to another religion just as Nebuchadnezzer required.

Christians worship at this altar when they send their sons and daughters off to fight, kill, be maimed and die in its carnal wars, allow their children to be brained washed by the propaganda of US history, engage in the uncleanness of partisan politics, swear oaths to serve it, and pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth that is the symbol of a nation that has done at least as much evil as good in the world, as well as within its own borders.
Shadrach, Meshack, and Abed-Nego understood this and so refused to bow down. They knew what kingdom they were citizens of just as Daniel did, and the true nature of ALL earthly kingdoms. Christians do not seem to know this and pay a very high price because they do not.


First it is pledging allegiance to something that as Christians we cannot support and is a lie. This nation is not under God in the sense it obeys Him, there is NOT liberty and justice for all, and that God's name is Jesus.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
AND
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

AND Psalm 2:1 Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

THIS IS THE NEARLY COMPLETED PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE TRAINING USED BY THE MILITARY TO TURN HUMANS INTO KILLERS WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT GOD BUILT INTO ALL. THE MARINES SEEM TO BE THE BEST AT THIS. PLEASE SEE ON KILLING BY DAVE GROSSMAN. HIS SOLUTIONS ARE JUNK BUT HIS THESIS IS RIGHT ON.

THE US AIR FORCE HAS A SEMINAR FOR ITS OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAUNCHING NUCLEAR MISSILES THAT QUOTES THE BIBLE TO PROVE JESUS SAYS IT IS OK TO DO. IT IS TAUGHT BY A CHAPLIN. JESUS NOWHERE SAYS THIS, NOR DOES THE BIBLE.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation, but Christians in nations being salt and light. The book of Daniel is an excellent commentary on God's view of all government through all time. Note Dan 2:46- 49 compared to chapter 3. Note the mistake Daniel made in 2:46 and 48 which opened the door for chapter 3 to happen. Daniel learned however: Dan 5:16-17. God calls Nebuchadnezzar the greatest ruler in all history. Note what He says about him in Daniel 4:17.

The flag being pledged to is soaked in innocent blood, both of its own citizens and people world wide. Most believe that WWII was a 'just' war for Christians. I will give an examples that it was not. On the night of March 8/9, 1945 over 900 B29's fire bombed Tokyo from 9000 feet. More civilians were killed that night then in Hiroshima. Crews said they could smell the burning flesh. The planes were pressurized! The commander that ordered it said he would be tried as a war criminal if the US lost the war. This was repeated on nearly every major Japanese city except two. They were saved for another purpose.

In the first major US bombing raid that was targeting civilians instead of military targets in Germany the aiming point was the front steps of the city's cathedral at about noon. The lead bombardier questioned it but was ordered to do it. He did. Then there is the example of Dresden and MANY MORE. There is no such thing as a just war for a disciple of Jesus. Who would Jesus shoot?

American history books are largely packed with lies and half truths. I taught high school social studies for 22 years and this was one reason Jesus told me to leave teaching. I have since discovered it is much worse than I thought.
All this having been said we are to pray for the government and those in authority, honor those in authority, not be critical, and obey the laws unless they cause us to sin i.e. fight and kill in war. Jesus teaching is AGAINST any civil disobedience for our 'rights'!

This is true and the very reason that all nations on earth will fall when this prophesy is fullfilled.

Isaiah 34
1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.


All nations are the beast of revelation.
 

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This is true and the very reason that all nations on earth will fall when this prophesy is fullfilled.

Isaiah 34
1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.


All nations are the beast of revelation.


Then God made a mistake with setting up the concept of nations involving His creation, including the nation of Israel???


Jer 31:35-36
35 Thus saith the LORD, Which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
(KJV)


Even Zechariah 14 reveals the continued existence of 'nations' on earth after Christ's second coming. But some would rather listen to the false prophets of this world instead of believing what God says in His Word. The Biblical illteracy of many believers today is truly astounding.
 

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Then God made a mistake with setting up the concept of nations involving His creation, including the nation of Israel???


Jer 31:35-36
35 Thus saith the LORD, Which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
(KJV)


Even Zechariah 14 reveals the continued existence of 'nations' on earth after Christ's second coming. But some would rather listen to the false prophets of this world instead of believing what God says in His Word. The Biblical illteracy of many believers today is truly astounding.
If you will please read the post again you will see God's attitude toward nations. Modern Israel is not a mistake any more then the crucifixtion. Here is a description of who rules Israel today:

Revelation 3:9

New King James Version (NKJV)

[sup]9 [/sup]Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

Here is where the citizenship of disciples is, they are being salt and light in the nations they are just "passing through".
Hebrews 11:13-16

New King James Version (NKJV)
[sup]13 [/sup]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them,[sup][a][/sup] embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. [sup]14 [/sup]For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. [sup]15 [/sup]And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. [sup]16 [/sup]But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
 

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When a Christian worships at the altar of nationalism/patriotism he is simply bowing down to another religion just as Nebuchadnezzer required.


You are Not a nationalistic patriotic zealot just because you:

- Believe that God had a hand in creation of this country and has helped guide it in the past.
- Ask God for His will to be done for this nation.
- Pray that God will influence the will of individual politicians.
- Oppose laws, bills, etc. that support or encourage of what God has defined as a sin.
- Don't feel that your current President is doing a very good job at all.
- Feel that there are certain countries who we have no business taking advise or criticism from when it comes to certain issues.

This is usually where those who have an issues with Conservative Christians (because, as we all know, if you do not support or approve of a Liberal agenda, you are automatically are a Conservative Christian) say that the biggest thing is that these Christians are 'war-mongers.'

Why? Because they believe their gov't and what it said about the war.
The latest poll, though, shows that support for the Afghan war is at 24%.

This begs the question.....are only 24% of Americans Conservative Christians? I think not.


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You are Not a nationalistic patriotic zealot just because you:

- Believe that God had a hand in creation of this country and has helped guide it in the past.
God NEVER approves of killing or rebellion against authority to establish anything. He allowed it. It was nominal Christian killing nominal Christian in the American Revolution and every war after. God approved of this?
- Ask God for His will to be done for this nation.
Yes, most definitely.
- Pray that God will influence the will of individual politicians.
Yes, for their blessing, wisdom, protection, and allow believers to live in peace in the nation.
- Oppose laws, bills, etc. that support or encourage of what God has defined as a sin.
Jesus never did this in fact He warned against getting political. In fact when John the Baptist got "political" he lost his great revelation of who Jesus was and his head.
- Don't feel that your current President is doing a very good job at all.
If you do not feel this way the Bible gives you one "right". Pray for him and do not criticise.
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Feel that there are certain countries who we have no business taking advise or criticism from when it comes to certain issues
This again is none of a believer's concern. We are to be ambassadors of the king doing what he says. Mark 16:17-18 and Matthew 10:7-8. These things will change the society and keep one VERY busy..

This is usually where those who have an issues with Conservative Christians (because, as we all know, if you do not support or approve of a Liberal agenda, you are automatically are a Conservative Christian) say that the biggest thing is that these Christians are 'war-mongers.

Why? Because they believe their gov't and what it said about the war.
The latest poll, though, shows that support for the Afghan war is at 24%.

This begs the question.....are only 24% of Americans Conservative Christians? I think not.
It seems to be the 'Christians' that support every war. These wars are becoming unpopular, but not to worry, new lies and half truths will be created for the next one. Iran is a good possibility. The US will be kept in perpetual war. Did you ever wonder the real reasons why? A Christian does not have to check his brain at the door of the Kingdom. The main line press has become the government's spokesmen.


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It seems to be the 'Christians' that support every war. These wars are becoming unpopular, but not to worry, new lies and half truths will be created for the next one. Iran is a good possibility. The US will be kept in perpetual war. Did you ever wonder the real reasons why? A Christian does not have to check his brain at the door of the Kingdom. The main line press has become the government's spokesmen.


-- Yup, just use the right bait.

By the nature and wording of your initial post I suspected you are a person who makes blanket accusations, painting EVERYONE within a specific group with the same brush, not taking into account any option for individual opinions or motivations.....unless they happen to agree with you.

Just needed to confirm and you came through with flying colors. Thanks.
 

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-- Yup, just use the right bait.

By the nature and wording of your initial post I suspected you are a person who makes blanket accusations, painting EVERYONE within a specific group with the same brush, not taking into account any option for individual opinions or motivations.....unless they happen to agree with you.

Just needed to confirm and you came through with flying colors. Thanks.

How many Christians do you know that do not do and believe the things I mentioned in the initial post? How many see themselves as pilgrims passing through this life representing Jesus by doing Matthew 10:7-8, Mark 16:17-18, and living Matthew 5, 6, nd 7?
This was not an accusation but an observation. I was immediately attacked quite rudely I might add. The reactions came as a result of the myths most believe and not knowing what spirit they are of. Who would Jesus shoot?
 

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Sounds just like the Nationalism of the unbelieving orthodox Phariseeic Jews!

In whatever country they wandered into, they for the most part refused to become true citizens joined with the people, and instead kept their own ways and ultra-orthodox Nationalist ideals for takeover, creating quite a stir against Christianity in many European countries in history, which caused the Christian monarchies and governments of many of those European countries of history to deport them.
Spot on !
 

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Pharisitic - lol

how leech-erific
 

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You do know what veteran is on about, do you ?
He is not bagging the true people and what he said is true.

And what lesjude said is not wrong as well.
 

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Nationalism As a Religion
Nationalism, just as religion has its fathers of the 'faith', its 'sacred' writings, symbols, its creeds and oaths of allegiance, songs/hymns of praise, it's shrines, its heroes of the 'faith' and martyrs, defenders of the 'faith', the crime of treason/heresy, requirements/demands for sacrifice and service, and financial obligations. Nations grant 'absolution' for acts done to defend it that other wise would be crimes. It has willing followers who pledge their lives, fortunes, sacred honor, and families to defend it. It has rewards for service, ideals and goals that unite believers, and offers an identity that transcends self for the perceived common good. Nationalism just as false religion uses myths (lies widely believed to be true) to keep their adherants compliant with the leaders' carnal agendas. Here is an example of this use of lies by a long deceased expert:
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

When a Christian worships at the altar of nationalism/patriotism he is simply bowing down to another religion just as Nebuchadnezzer required.

Christians worship at this altar when they send their sons and daughters off to fight, kill, be maimed and die in its carnal wars, allow their children to be brained washed by the propaganda of US history, engage in the uncleanness of partisan politics, swear oaths to serve it, and pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth that is the symbol of a nation that has done at least as much evil as good in the world, as well as within its own borders.
Shadrach, Meshack, and Abed-Nego understood this and so refused to bow down. They knew what kingdom they were citizens of just as Daniel did, and the true nature of ALL earthly kingdoms. Christians do not seem to know this and pay a very high price because they do not.


First it is pledging allegiance to something that as Christians we cannot support and is a lie. This nation is not under God in the sense it obeys Him, there is NOT liberty and justice for all, and that God's name is Jesus.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
AND
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

AND Psalm 2:1 Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

THIS IS THE NEARLY COMPLETED PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE TRAINING USED BY THE MILITARY TO TURN HUMANS INTO KILLERS WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT GOD BUILT INTO ALL. THE MARINES SEEM TO BE THE BEST AT THIS. PLEASE SEE ON KILLING BY DAVE GROSSMAN. HIS SOLUTIONS ARE JUNK BUT HIS THESIS IS RIGHT ON.

THE US AIR FORCE HAS A SEMINAR FOR ITS OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAUNCHING NUCLEAR MISSILES THAT QUOTES THE BIBLE TO PROVE JESUS SAYS IT IS OK TO DO. IT IS TAUGHT BY A CHAPLIN. JESUS NOWHERE SAYS THIS, NOR DOES THE BIBLE.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation, but Christians in nations being salt and light. The book of Daniel is an excellent commentary on God's view of all government through all time. Note Dan 2:46- 49 compared to chapter 3. Note the mistake Daniel made in 2:46 and 48 which opened the door for chapter 3 to happen. Daniel learned however: Dan 5:16-17. God calls Nebuchadnezzar the greatest ruler in all history. Note what He says about him in Daniel 4:17.

The flag being pledged to is soaked in innocent blood, both of its own citizens and people world wide. Most believe that WWII was a 'just' war for Christians. I will give an examples that it was not. On the night of March 8/9, 1945 over 900 B29's fire bombed Tokyo from 9000 feet. More civilians were killed that night then in Hiroshima. Crews said they could smell the burning flesh. The planes were pressurized! The commander that ordered it said he would be tried as a war criminal if the US lost the war. This was repeated on nearly every major Japanese city except two. They were saved for another purpose.

In the first major US bombing raid that was targeting civilians instead of military targets in Germany the aiming point was the front steps of the city's cathedral at about noon. The lead bombardier questioned it but was ordered to do it. He did. Then there is the example of Dresden and MANY MORE. There is no such thing as a just war for a disciple of Jesus. Who would Jesus shoot?

American history books are largely packed with lies and half truths. I taught high school social studies for 22 years and this was one reason Jesus told me to leave teaching. I have since discovered it is much worse than I thought.
All this having been said we are to pray for the government and those in authority, honor those in authority, not be critical, and obey the laws unless they cause us to sin i.e. fight and kill in war. Jesus teaching is AGAINST any civil disobedience for our 'rights'!

We see so much of this syncretism of patriotism and (add religion) in the western world.
 

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Nationalism As a Religion
Nationalism, just as religion has its fathers of the 'faith', its 'sacred' writings, symbols, its creeds and oaths of allegiance, songs/hymns of praise, it's shrines, its heroes of the 'faith' and martyrs, defenders of the 'faith', the crime of treason/heresy, requirements/demands for sacrifice and service, and financial obligations. Nations grant 'absolution' for acts done to defend it that other wise would be crimes. It has willing followers who pledge their lives, fortunes, sacred honor, and families to defend it. It has rewards for service, ideals and goals that unite believers, and offers an identity that transcends self for the perceived common good. Nationalism just as false religion uses myths (lies widely believed to be true) to keep their adherants compliant with the leaders' carnal agendas. Here is an example of this use of lies by a long deceased expert:
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

When a Christian worships at the altar of nationalism/patriotism he is simply bowing down to another religion just as Nebuchadnezzer required.

Christians worship at this altar when they send their sons and daughters off to fight, kill, be maimed and die in its carnal wars, allow their children to be brained washed by the propaganda of US history, engage in the uncleanness of partisan politics, swear oaths to serve it, and pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth that is the symbol of a nation that has done at least as much evil as good in the world, as well as within its own borders.
Shadrach, Meshack, and Abed-Nego understood this and so refused to bow down. They knew what kingdom they were citizens of just as Daniel did, and the true nature of ALL earthly kingdoms. Christians do not seem to know this and pay a very high price because they do not.


First it is pledging allegiance to something that as Christians we cannot support and is a lie. This nation is not under God in the sense it obeys Him, there is NOT liberty and justice for all, and that God's name is Jesus.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
AND
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

AND Psalm 2:1 Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

THIS IS THE NEARLY COMPLETED PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE TRAINING USED BY THE MILITARY TO TURN HUMANS INTO KILLERS WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT GOD BUILT INTO ALL. THE MARINES SEEM TO BE THE BEST AT THIS. PLEASE SEE ON KILLING BY DAVE GROSSMAN. HIS SOLUTIONS ARE JUNK BUT HIS THESIS IS RIGHT ON.

THE US AIR FORCE HAS A SEMINAR FOR ITS OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAUNCHING NUCLEAR MISSILES THAT QUOTES THE BIBLE TO PROVE JESUS SAYS IT IS OK TO DO. IT IS TAUGHT BY A CHAPLIN. JESUS NOWHERE SAYS THIS, NOR DOES THE BIBLE.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation, but Christians in nations being salt and light. The book of Daniel is an excellent commentary on God's view of all government through all time. Note Dan 2:46- 49 compared to chapter 3. Note the mistake Daniel made in 2:46 and 48 which opened the door for chapter 3 to happen. Daniel learned however: Dan 5:16-17. God calls Nebuchadnezzar the greatest ruler in all history. Note what He says about him in Daniel 4:17.

The flag being pledged to is soaked in innocent blood, both of its own citizens and people world wide. Most believe that WWII was a 'just' war for Christians. I will give an examples that it was not. On the night of March 8/9, 1945 over 900 B29's fire bombed Tokyo from 9000 feet. More civilians were killed that night then in Hiroshima. Crews said they could smell the burning flesh. The planes were pressurized! The commander that ordered it said he would be tried as a war criminal if the US lost the war. This was repeated on nearly every major Japanese city except two. They were saved for another purpose.

In the first major US bombing raid that was targeting civilians instead of military targets in Germany the aiming point was the front steps of the city's cathedral at about noon. The lead bombardier questioned it but was ordered to do it. He did. Then there is the example of Dresden and MANY MORE. There is no such thing as a just war for a disciple of Jesus. Who would Jesus shoot?

American history books are largely packed with lies and half truths. I taught high school social studies for 22 years and this was one reason Jesus told me to leave teaching. I have since discovered it is much worse than I thought.
All this having been said we are to pray for the government and those in authority, honor those in authority, not be critical, and obey the laws unless they cause us to sin i.e. fight and kill in war. Jesus teaching is AGAINST any civil disobedience for our 'rights'!

Then why sinfully and hypocrtically enjoy the spoils of war and conquest by living safely and securely in such a nation...why not move to some part of the world where Christians actually live out these principals and pay the price for it and pay the price with them...strange is it not that the majority of pacifist christian and otherwise always protest war and conquest from places of safety and security provided by.....war and conquest....go figure....cheap and easy convictions are not worth much.
 

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Then why sinfully and hypocrtically enjoy the spoils of war and conquest by living safely and securely in such a nation...why not move to some part of the world where Christians actually live out these principals and pay the price for it and pay the price with them...strange is it not that the majority of pacifist christian and otherwise always protest war and conquest from places of safety and security provided by.....war and conquest....go figure....cheap and easy convictions are not worth much.

We are to be a light in ALL the world...there is actually more spiritual darkness here than in developing countries. Are you arguing for more darkness or light?
 

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Then why sinfully and hypocrtically enjoy the spoils of war and conquest by living safely and securely in such a nation...why not move to some part of the world where Christians actually live out these principals and pay the price for it and pay the price with them...strange is it not that the majority of pacifist christian and otherwise always protest war and conquest from places of safety and security provided by.....war and conquest....go figure....cheap and easy convictions are not worth much.
This is true. We are blessed to live in a nation that has freedom of religion. However that can change very quickly even in the US with what is happening with the consitutution. We have been pesecuted for our Christian walk, but our lives have never been in danger. For now there is still freedom to speak Bible truth but attitides such as yours may soon become the majority. The result for Moslems in the US has been ugly. One unindicted US citizen has even been executed by executive order. People are tortured, innocent children and women are slaughtered, and war is waged in the name of peace and freedom. This is classic double speak! How do you think the fascists took over in Germany and Italy? War is peace, the _____ are all evil, might is right, the nation must be supported and those who disagree are traitors, our ideals and culture are superior,. If you do not recognizie these things in the US you have been listening to the corporate media too much.
 

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This is true. We are blessed to live in a nation that has freedom of religion. However that can change very quickly even in the US with what is happening with the consitutution. We have been pesecuted for our Christian walk, but our lives have never been in danger. For now there is still freedom to speak Bible truth but attitides such as yours may soon become the majority. The result for Moslems in the US has been ugly. One unindicted US citizen has even been executed by executive order. People are tortured, innocent children and women are slaughtered, and war is waged in the name of peace and freedom. This is classic double speak! How do you think the fascists took over in Germany and Italy? War is peace, the _____ are all evil, might is right, the nation must be supported and those who disagree are traitors, our ideals and culture are superior,. If you do not recognizie these things in the US you have been listening to the corporate media too much.

You are saying that America isn't perfect and you are right....find a nation that is....you are saying that America has prpblems and you are right...find a nation that doesn't....you are saying that life isn't perfect and you are right...it never will be....you are saying that things can change quickly...of course they can...has life not always been that way and nothing last forever...you are saying the world is getting worse...and you are right....Jesus already said it would....don't carry the weight of the world on your shoulders....God is in control and can do it himself.

We are to be a light in ALL the world...there is actually more spiritual darkness here than in developing countries. Are you arguing for more darkness or light?

We are to be a light to the people AROUND us...taking upon one's self responsabilities beyond one's capablities and true signifigance with grandiose imaginations is pride and vanity and nothing more....it highly unlikely that all the world is paying any attention to what a few people on a message board are doing.
 

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You are saying that America isn't perfect and you are right....find a nation that is....you are saying that America has prpblems and you are right...find a nation that doesn't....you are saying that life isn't perfect and you are right...it never will be....you are saying that things can change quickly...of course they can...has life not always been that way and nothing last forever...you are saying the world is getting worse...and you are right....Jesus already said it would....don't carry the weight of the world on your shoulders....God is in control and can do it himself.



We are to be a light to the people AROUND us...taking upon one's self responsabilities beyond one's capablities and true signifigance with grandiose imaginations is pride and vanity and nothing more....it highly unlikely that all the world is paying any attention to what a few people on a message board are doing.
Here is what we are doing every where we go and every chance we get: Matthew 10:7-8 and Mark 16:17-18. What are you doing? It does say "those who believe..."
If one shark in 1916 could forever change the thinking in the US, including the shark experts, think what believing Christians could do by doing what Jesus said they could the way He said to do it.
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