Nature To Nature Relationship

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Nature to nature relationship


The way to have a relationship with your Father is a nature-to-nature relationship with Him through the Son nature that is your nature now.
This type of relationship is where the fruit of the Spirit is expressed.
Have you ever given much thought to how Adam loved Eve, or those in the Old Testament expressed their feelings. They had no nature to nature, spirit to spirit, face to face relationship with God the Father.
The only way for them to have a relationship was in soul-mind, which is far less than what was in the Father from before the beginning.

The major difference in the world today is the cross.
The world is still the same in their relationship, at best it is a soul to soul, mind to mind relationship with each other. The world cannot run it self by the knowledge of good and evil. Two knowledges exist, only one is capable of making things work properly. Whether it is a relationship or the world. Only the knowledge of the lord will properly function in any environment.

To know about Christ is not knowing Him, many know about Him. There is a knowledge that is gained, revealed, His knowledge, His mind. Human beings created in the image of God can love, but it is not the same love as Spirit love, nature to nature love. The image and likeness Adam was created with became depraved. Adam could not birth children in the image and likeness of God even if he never fell, only God can do this.

Everything the believer is looking for is found in the nature to nature relationship with the Christ in them, and their Father. Everything Paul preached came from his revelation of the indwelling Christ, Gal. 1:11-12, 15-16,

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Without this same revelation believers are left to try to understand God on their own. Everything else is soulish, we judge each other based on soul. We judge the world based on soul. We are complete in spirit only and being completed in soul until the day you die.

You will never find completeness until you have a nature to nature relationship with your Father based on Paul's revelation, John 17:22,

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
 

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11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
ergo preached in verse 11 is at best a mistranslation, the way we define preached today at least. No one preached to Paul

just in passing :)
 

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Are you using "nature" in the place of heart?
 

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ergo preached in verse 11 is at best a mistranslation, the way we define preached today at least. No one preached to Paul

just in passing :)

Not sure i get your thoughts , you saying Pauls deal was ego?
 

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Not sure i get your thoughts , you saying Pauls deal was ego?
ha no, "ergo" sorry, the lazy way to write "therefore."

"therefore translating that Paul was preached to is a bad translation."
as imo pretty much every occurrence of "preached to" in the Bible is
with some notable exceptions, crowds gathered voluntarily for that purpose, to hear a sermon/lecture, etc
 

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ha no, "ergo" sorry, the lazy way to write "therefore."

"therefore translating that Paul was preached to is a bad translation."
as imo pretty much every occurrence of "preached to" in the Bible is
with some notable exceptions, crowds gathered voluntarily for that purpose, to hear a sermon/lecture, etc

Ha got it, no glasses and traveling down the road on my phone. If you're saying Paul was preached to in the verse, I'm still not getting it. Out of curiosity are you using King Jimmy bible I'm not seeing a mis-translation.
 

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Are you using "nature" in the place of heart?

Spirit-life-Christ-nature are all synonymous terms. The believer had no nature of their own in their fallen state, neither do they have a nature of their own in the new creation state. It is a shared life-nature, the Christ-life. Nature has always came from an entity. Hence; sin-nature came from the original sinner from the beginning, Satan. When we were born again we were not just given a new nature, we were given Christ to be our life-nature. Science-psychology and what nots coined the term human nature, there is no such thing, not in scripture anyway. Seeing the two natures in scripture and the birthing, the Father birthing his own children by Christ in them, will unlock the scriptures and the understanding of the believer, in my opinion, like nothing else will.
The heart is more or less the soul, the soul is our unique expression of our creation. Adam was what; created a living SOUL. The real kicker, if you will, the only way for Christ in you to express Himself in this world is through your soul. It is Christ alive in you, that what Paul is saying in Gal. 2:20. He has been joined to your spirit but comes out through soul.
 
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Ha got it, no glasses and traveling down the road on my phone. If you're saying Paul was preached to in the verse, I'm still not getting it. Out of curiosity are you using King Jimmy bible I'm not seeing a mis-translation.
no, i'm saying that we know Paul got a Revelation, and was not converted by any preaching at all, right. Therefore "the gospel that was preached of me" was actually revealed, or proclaimed, not preached the way we define it now
 
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no, i'm saying that we know Paul got a Revelation, and was not converted by any preaching at all, right. Therefore "the gospel that was preached of me" was actually revealed, or proclaimed, not preached the way we define it now

Lol ok got it, absolutely agree 100 %, what most call the gospel is only apart of the gospel, and is made out to be the whole by unlearned men teaching others. So we end up with Christianity being a religion on man's part.
 
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Lol ok got it, absolutely agree 100 %, what most call the gospel is only apart of the gospel, and is made out to be the whole by unlearned men teaching others. So we end up with Christianity being a religion on man's part.
once we reject nature, and go with our natures, i guess it's best to feed these types, me, counterfeits? That's prolly the only way to learn why they fail.

i agree with you @ "nature" here, but the perspective might be hard to illustrate, what with the way Scripture treats "nature" in our translations, usually referring to "human nature" i guess.
 

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once we reject nature, and go with our natures, i guess it's best to feed these types, me, counterfeits? That's prolly the only way to learn why they fail.

i agree with you @ "nature" here, but the perspective might be hard to illustrate, what with the way Scripture treats "nature" in our translations, usually referring to "human nature" i guess.

Must divide soul and spirit at this point, the word starts to become clear (like that word) to the born again on any of the major subjects such as nature.
 
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Must divide soul and spirit at this point, the word starts to become clear (like that word) to the born again on any of the major subjects such as nature.
be nice if Scripture was clearer there too imo; we have believers that say it's ok to trash the planet "bc Jesus is going to make us a new one," etc, yikes. Lots of other displays of disdain for nature in Christianity too i guess
 
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be nice if Scripture was clearer there too imo; we have believers that say it's ok to trash the planet "bc Jesus is going to make us a new one," etc, yikes. Lots of other displays of disdain for nature in Christianity too i guess

Yea it's true and proves the point of the mind being renewed, without it they may be believers but they look nothing different from the world. Still using the knowledge of good and evil to live life.
 

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hmm, i'd never have framed it "lose the knowledge of good and evil," i'll have to marinate on that one a little. resonates though

It's worth looking into, Paul is so important to Christ Christians.
 
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