No, the revealed man of sin has nothing to do with the papacy. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground in Revelation 17:16 by the ten kings who will align themselves with the beast-king.
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The Light
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Your answer is correct.
However, the chart is way off. There are not 5 stages of the little horn. There are two beasts that you have combined into one. There is no Gog Magog war until after the 1000 years.
The Light
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The beasts are one the earth long before the fallen angles arrive. The fallen angels fall to earth at the 6th seal.
Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Additionally, the MAN of sin is revealed, not the angel of sin.
We are not on the same page. I am speaking in regards to what the Jewish religion believes. They rejected Jesus as the Messiah and are still waiting for the one that was prophesied to come. So for them it's as though it will be the first appearance of a Messiah. And this is how the antichrist gains acceptance as being the Messiah that was prophesied. He deceives the Jewish priests and congregation... right?
Thanks for the debate, I want to move on and visit some other threads.
I pray your day is blessed.
This is what Jesus said....
John 5:43
[43]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Where is your scriptural confirmation for your quoted statements above. All you are stating is simply your own private understanding.
You are welcome to hold to your private interpretation. This understanding in my opinion is flawed and leads to delusion.
The Light
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Thankyou Jay. You are also welcome to hold your private interpretation even though I disproved it with the Word of God.
No. you did not disprove my understanding at all. All you did was present what you hoped was what the scriptures stated. I was not been challenged by what you had posted. If anything your post only confirmed what I hold to be the truth.
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When you provide the evidence that I am actually wrong, then we will see where we go from there.
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What is the factor which makes each of us conclude that the way we see is the right way?
Some would argue, 'it's in the bible' In my view, that doesn't hold up. The OT has slavery as an acceptable tick as well as the subjugation of Women. It also says 'an eye for an eye....' etc. Are those who use 'it's in the bible' really going to measure out those norms today?
I could go on but suffice it to ask again, what is the factor which makes each of us conclude that the way we see is the right way?
Some would argue, 'it's in the bible' In my view, that doesn't hold up. The OT has slavery as an acceptable tick as well as the subjugation of Women. It also says 'an eye for an eye....' etc. Are those who use 'it's in the bible' really going to measure out those norms today?
I could go on but suffice it to ask again, what is the factor which makes each of us conclude that the way we see is the right way?
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No, you say they are angelic host so I ask you what you base it on. If it is just guesswork, then say that don't dance around so much to avoid a simple question.
No, it is not guesswork, my understanding comes from an OT prophecy which mirrors the Armageddon judgement mention in Rev 16:12-16.
I have referenced it many times on this forum, but people want to just ignore it. The verses are Isaiah 24:21-22. It talks of the judgement of the heavenly hosts as well as the judgement of the kings of the earth and that they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.
This means that Satan, the beasts and the Little Horn, called the False prophet in the NT, and the kings of the earth who have helped to trample God's sanctuary and his earthly hosts, Israel, will all go into the pit, i.e. the Bottomless pit, immediately after God has judged them.
I would also reference and Daniel 7:2 and 9-12 that the four winds of heaven, i.e. spiritual entities that can only be wicked fallen heavenly hosts are the beasts described in Daniel 7.
On this forum there are many funny explanations given by some members as to how this is not so based on their reading of the NT prophecies.
Now you have demanded that must not dance around so much to avoid a simple question, yet you have made a claim that I am wrong but will not provide the scriptural evidence to show me where my understanding is wrong. You are the one who needs to stand up and put your reasoning forward to be judged.
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No, I did not say you were wrong. I only asked you what evidence there was for thinking the two beasts are angelic host.
quietthinker
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A question that needs to be asked is, do we interpret the NT by the OT or the OT by the NT? ie, Do we interpret the reality by the shadow or the shadow by the reality. Which authority stands paramount?
If that can be determined we might be well on the way to avoid the hotch-potch cobbling to suit various imagined agendas.
quietthinker
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If we say the reality trumps the shadow, ie the NT trumps the OT, further questions arise, for instance, what do we do with the shadow? It is clearly still of value as these are the scriptures Jesus used.....so how does it then fit?
My request for you to show with scripture why I was in error for my statement that the Beasts and the Little horn are wicked fallen heavenly hosts still stands. If you are not willing to provide your defence of why you believe that I am in error, then we will let the matter rest and I will walk away and smile at your display of being upset.
I can only assume that you have no response to my request for your scriptural evident that the beasts and the Little horn are not heavenly hosts.
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