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    Now there's a fascinating subject.
     
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    Yeah...a pagan goddess of freedom
     
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    I guess our founding forefathers were not so "Christian" afterall..lol.
     
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    THANKS FOR THE REPLY. , second Enoch and Elijah both died. supportive scripture, Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."
    Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
    Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."
    Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went."
    Hebrews 11:9 "By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:"
    Hebrews 11:10 "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."
    Hebrews 11:11 "Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised."
    Hebrews 11:12 "Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable."
    Hebrews 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth."

    so all those listed here DIED. on the mount of transfiguration, appeared Moses and Elijah. was Moses dead? yes, and was Elijah, for the Lord Jesus is the First fruit, and all men died in Adam, including Elijah. scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." (STOP IT RIGHT THERE, IS ELIJAH IN ADAM MEANING DESENDED FROM ADAM? YES, WELL ALL DIED IN ADAM, MEANING ELIJAH, ENOCH, MOSES, AND ANY MAN THAT IS FROM ADAM). bingo.
    1 Corinthians 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." IF CHRIST THE FIRST FRUIT, THEN ELIJAH MOSES, ENOCH OR ANY OTHER MAN IS AFTER CHRIST IS ... "DEAD". so that should eliminate any Reincarnation
    restored life is not Reincarnation. so that want fly. Lazarus was not Reincarnated, nor resurrected, but restored. so that want fly.
    there is no return from the second death, but there is a resurrection from the first death.
    there is no rapture, Christ is setting up his Kingdom here on Earth.
    correct you will not be judge before he comes back, and when he raise you up ... from DEATH.. it will be either in the first resurrection or the last or second resurrection.
    Nope, one life, one life in this world only.
    Yes, lets look at it. but before we do, do you know the difference between "iniquity", and "Sin". when you do then that mystery is cleared up. and by knowing the difference, then you will know who the man of "Sin" is also.

    so you didn't convince me, but only enforce the beliefs that are in the bible, no Reincarnation.

    but thanks for trying.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Many were Freemasons. I found this video to be very educational...

    Mike Hoggard, American Goddess: The Hidden Secret Inside The Statue of Liberty



    Fast forward to 57:00 to see the DNA staircase.

    ;)
     
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    I will definitely watch it...thank you!
     
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    I was just.saying the other day that I need to start paying more attention to our everyday symbols and traditions.....I had been researching the origin of the weekday Wednesday and found a video that educated me! The days of the week are names of pagan gods!
     
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    The staircase comparison is bizzare....what's up with the #46?
     
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    Just for the record, my goal isn't to change anyone's mind overnight. This took me years of contemplating before I finally accepted that Reincarnation is not only Biblical, but was taught by Jesus himself.

    I'm convinced that most Christians will never be able to handle this kind of information, no matter how much proof they are shown. In fact, I would even go as far as to say that not even Jesus himself would be able to convince them, even if he showed up in person to teach them.

    This all has less to do with Scripture as it does Human Psychology. Most Christians would rather see the Unsaved 'burn for all eternity' than have God give them another chance.

    It's like trying to convince an Atheist that God exists. No amount of proof will break through their denial barrier. This is why I don't spend too much time debating this topic. Folks need to search their Hearts as to why Reincarnation is unacceptable to them.

    I was watching a video the other day about the word Aionios. One of the comments stood out...

    There are 'Christians' who have a personal desperate emotional need to believe that some humans will be endlessly tormented by God. They cannot accept a reality that does not contain this endless torment for some. This is a personal and group neurosis and sin in these people. It has nothing to do with being a genuine Christian. It is a sickness that needs to be healed by true Christian belief which is true relationship with Christ. The Christian revelation does not teach eternal torment. It teaches salvation through purifying fire which is both the mercy and judgment of God.

    I see comments like that all the time from folks that are absolutely fed up with the hypocritical teachings of Hell and the Lake of Fire. This particular one made me wonder if God actually does consider it a sin to not believe in Reincarnation.

    After receiving countless insults (even on this forum) over the years from so called 'Christians', I am convinced it really is a type of sickness. It's nothing personal to anyone here or other Forums, it's just the way many Christians are nowadays unfortunately.
     
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    46 Chromosomes in the Human Body...

    John 2:20
    "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?"


    John 2:21
    "But he spake of the temple of his body"


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    This information was encoded into the Bible. The Occultists picked up on it long ago.
     
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    Check this out...

    "The Parthenon had 46 outer columns and 23 inner columns in total"

    Parthenon - Wikipedia

    Dedicated to the Goddess Athena...

    "Western artists and allegorists have often used Athena as a symbol of freedom and democracy"

    Athena - Wikipedia

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    I believe this verse refers to another Head of the Beast forming...

    Luke 10:18
    "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven"


    In other words, Satan's Spirit fell to become Reincarnated into another AntiChrist form.

    Either Jesus literally saw the moment of conception, or he saw the beginnings of the process of Satan becoming flesh again.

    If anyone here knows who that was, please share your thoughts.

    Was is Nero?

    I'm guessing it had to have been someone who was born around the time Jesus was crucified. Either before or after.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all.
    I understand your plight. but I see no where in the bible where the Lord Jesus taught Reincarnation. to give you the benifit of the doubt supply two scriptures that indicate Reincarnation any where in the bible. I could have missed something.
    never give up, stay your course. one plant, another water, but it is God who give the increase. if what you say is true then it will come out in the scriptures. Just as with me about "diversity", if God gives you an assigment, then do it. if only ONE PERSON understand it, your Job is complete. and also I like to encourage you on the science aspect of your presentation, it's very Good, I follow it. so never get discourage because someone don't see it right now. time will tell, but do what God have given you to do... ok.
    look, I'm like the apostle Paul, Romans 8:39 "Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." if God who can give his Natural life ... blood for me so that I might live, surely I can take a couple of slaps on each cheek to help someone else to understand the same Love that was granted toward me. so toughen up and be strong in the Lord. listen real good, and take this to heart, "If someone calls you a dog, WHY are you barking? if you're not a dog. get my point. you're only a dog if you're a dog, but not one just because someone calls you a dog .... (smile), see the point. you know that you're not a dog, so say nothing, but only what God gives you to say, and let them call God a dog. see how you win. never get discourage, and never give up, but take every opportunity to improve your skills.

    Take care and be blessed. I'll be watching you, and your posts. for i know you're an OVERCOMER.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this, "the fall" is just like Adam and Eve. not that they went anywhere, or changed location, no but lost their privilege or authority. like as satan fell/lost his place or rights in heaven to accuse us and our brothers.

    fall or fell is a change in venue to do something or have a right to do something. in this case satan has no more "Authority", he now can only decieve by deception.

    Hope that helped.
     
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    These two verses are quoted directly from Jesus...

    Matthew 11:14
    "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come"


    Matthew 17:12
    "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them"


    He was speaking of course about John the Baptist...

    Matthew 17:13
    "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist"


    Since I interpret those verses plainly and literally, I believe John the Baptist was the literal Reincarnation of Elijah. I see no need to twist the meaning and re-interpret the verse to mean something completely different in the way that everyone else is *TOLD* to do.

    Since the Church has decided to lie to everyone, they must now change the meaning of every single verse in the Bible that teaches Reincarnation. Thus, for the verses posted above, they have to indoctrinate everyone into the 'it's not literal' mindset.

    Here are some of the lies that they tell...
    • "It's not literal because we say so"
    • "John can't be a Reincarnation of Elijah because it would conflict with our 'Reincarnation is not Biblical' dogma"
    • "John was Elias in a "Spiritual" sense... in other words, John was just Role Playing and Trolling everyone"
    • "Jesus didn't mean to say that"
    Etc. etc.

    It all boils down to the Church trying to force interpretations to go along with a very wicked agenda.

    I'm not falling for it.
     
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    Notice the pattern developing...
    • John was Elias 'Spiritually', not literally
    • Adam and Eve died 'Spiritually', not literally
    Now, every time I hear 'it's Spiritual', I think of 'yeah, that's the ticket'...

     
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    These scriptures are true, for they are prophecy. Listen carefully. Luke 1:13 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John." (Notice this son is called John).
    Luke 1:14 "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth."
    Luke 1:15 "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."
    Luke 1:16 "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God."
    Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." BINGO, John came in the POWER and the "spirit", of, of, of, Elijah. NOT the MAN Elijah. and the Lord Jesus slams the door on any thoughts on Reincarnation, listen,

    John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:"
    John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
    John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
    John 3:4 "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" (HERE, ONE CANNOT ENTER THE WOMB AGAIN... MEANING NO REINCARNATION, THAT PUTS AN END TO THAT).
    John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
    John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
    John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

    you cannot go back into the womb.


    "The spiritual symbolism of John the Baptist and Elijah
    so John came in, in, in, the power of, of, of, Elijah. not Elijah the man, but in the spirit or character or the ways of Elijah. Matthew 3:4 "And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey."

    2 Kings 1:8 "And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite."

    so no, neither scripture teach Reincarnation

    hope that was clear enough.

    PICJAG
     
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    Thanks 101G. You have made many excellent points.


    The red part I take literal. I believe that we are Body + Soul + Spirit. The Body and Soul are destroyed in the Lake of Fire...

    Matthew 10:28
    "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


    That leaves us the Spirit, which goes back to God for another chance...

    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"


    Again...

    Ecclesiastes 3:21
    "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"


    Therefore, it was the literal Spirit of Elijah that was placed into a *new* Body and Soul in order to form John the Baptist. And just like the thousands of documented Reincarnation stories out there, some memories and old characteristics remain from the previous life.


    Remember, Jesus never directly answered the question with a definitive Yes/No. Christians assume that answer was no.

    However, Job DOES answer the question...

    Job 1:21
    "And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD"


    The word 'Thither' is always a reference to a place (Womb), not a state of being (Naked). Job was literally stating that he will return to his Mother's Womb. Entering a second time.

    Let's not forget that John the Baptist already knew who Mary was *before* being born...

    Luke 1:41
    "And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost"


    John already had a memory of people, events and prophecy. I say it came from a previous life.


    In other words John was LARPing and Jesus lied when he said...

    Matthew 11:14
    "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come"


    Is, is, is. :D


    Look how far the Word of God goes out of its way to teach how similar John and Elijah were... lol.

    Those two verses scream Reincarnation to me.

    ;)
     
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    Thanks for featuring the thread!

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