New heaven and new Earth

[Episkopos]

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I was thinking about this this morning and it hit me that the world we are presently living in will melt away and even the galaxy we presently find ourselves in will also fade away.

There will a new heaven and a new Earth. And this could very well be somewhere else in the universe.

Does God have to re-create the entire universe in order to take us to a new place?

So we are looking at a new planet that has no seas.

So then I got to thinking..

Since there is no more death..that the new Earth and it's galaxy does not fade away...it is eternal. But that the rest of the universe continues to give birth to new stars while other stars wax old and dies...in an endless cycle.

This goes to show that God's things are permanent...and everything else comes and goes in an endless cycle. So we ought to lay up treasures for ourselves in that which does not fade away.

 

[faithfulness]

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I was thinking about this this morning and it hit me that the world we are presently living in will melt away and even the galaxy we presently find ourselves in will also fade away.

There will a new heaven and a new Earth. And this could very well be somewhere else in the universe.

Does God have to re-create the entire universe in order to take us to a new place?

So we are looking at a new planet that has no seas.

So then I got to thinking..

Since there is no more death..that the new Earth and it's galaxy does not fade away...it is eternal. But that the rest of the universe continues to give birth to new stars while other stars wax old and dies...in an endless cycle.

This goes to show that God's things are permanent...and everything else comes and goes in an endless cycle. So we ought to lay up treasures for ourselves in that which does not fade away.

Amen. Beautiful.
I read Rev 21+22 + Proverbs 8 Sunday revealing/proclaiming the only begotten Son of God!
Awake and put on your robe!

 

[Jay Ross]

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I was thinking about this this morning and it hit me that the world we are presently living in will melt away and even the galaxy we presently find ourselves in will also fade away.

There will a new heaven and a new Earth. And this could very well be somewhere else in the universe.

Does God have to re-create the entire universe in order to take us to a new place?

So we are looking at a new planet that has no seas.

So then I got to thinking..

Since there is no more death..that the new Earth and it's galaxy does not fade away...it is eternal. But that the rest of the universe continues to give birth to new stars while other stars wax old and dies...in an endless cycle.

This goes to show that God's things are permanent...and everything else comes and goes in an endless cycle. So we ought to lay up treasures for ourselves in that which does not fade away.

We must look a little more closely at the Greek text before we jump to any conclusion as to how God will establish this verse in reality.

The Greek Root, G:2537, which is translated as "New" in the English Translations, has the meaning of "renovation new", that is the object in question has been remade or refurbished to look like new again.

The Bible, as far as I know, is silent as to how God intends to achieve the described outcome. However, in making something fresh again so that it look like it is new again, suggests that the object is not done away with completely but that there is a remanent of the original object left from which to start the renovation process.

The other question that is raised in my mind concerns the word "sea". In the Old Testament the word "sea" as found in Daniel 7: 2 is figuratively representative of people whether the people are unrighteous or righteous, that is the sea is collectively all people. However, God's Promise to Abraham was that Abraham's descendants would inherit the whole earth, and God sets about refurbishing the earth and the Heavens as He intended them to be, to be inherited by those who are deemed Righteous.

This post is just an expression of my thoughts about the OP..

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I was thinking about this this morning and it hit me that the world we are presently living in will melt away and even the galaxy we presently find ourselves in will also fade away.

There will a new heaven and a new Earth. And this could very well be somewhere else in the universe.

Does God have to re-create the entire universe in order to take us to a new place?

So we are looking at a new planet that has no seas.

So then I got to thinking..

Since there is no more death..that the new Earth and it's galaxy does not fade away...it is eternal. But that the rest of the universe continues to give birth to new stars while other stars wax old and dies...in an endless cycle.

This goes to show that God's things are permanent...and everything else comes and goes in an endless cycle. So we ought to lay up treasures for ourselves in that which does not fade away.

Consider we(His) are anchored into a Rock that cannot be shaken...what is rock?

Hebrews 12:27-28
[27] And this word , Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. [28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

 

[Naomi25]

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I was thinking about this this morning and it hit me that the world we are presently living in will melt away and even the galaxy we presently find ourselves in will also fade away.

There will a new heaven and a new Earth. And this could very well be somewhere else in the universe.

Does God have to re-create the entire universe in order to take us to a new place?

So we are looking at a new planet that has no seas.

So then I got to thinking..

Since there is no more death..that the new Earth and it's galaxy does not fade away...it is eternal. But that the rest of the universe continues to give birth to new stars while other stars wax old and dies...in an endless cycle.

This goes to show that God's things are permanent...and everything else comes and goes in an endless cycle. So we ought to lay up treasures for ourselves in that which does not fade away.

I've read many things on the "New"...some say it's completely new, others say just re-made. I'm not sure, but I think we can safely say whatever it will be, it will be glorious! And, well, yeah, it's fun and exciting to speculate a bit...and I don't think it hurts.

As far as the "there will be no more sea" goes...I don't think we're to take that literally. In the OT we often see that the sea is a place of chaos, rebellion and danger; where people of destruction come from. Even in Rev 13, we see a 'beast' rising out of the sea. When, in the "New", the sea is no more, then all these things will not be. But we shouldn't expect that our world will have no oceans. After all, they were present at the beginning, and God said that they were "very good".

 

[n2thelight]

II Peter 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

This word "new " deserves a closer look, for it means freshness, rejuvenated heaven and earth. This is not another earth and another heaven, but the same earth made over, rejuvenated whereby the evil and pollution is gone. In the age of the new heaven and the new earth only the righteous and righteousness exists. Praise God, for from here on there is only happiness, joy, and the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[bbyrd009]

There will a new heaven and a new Earth. And this could very well be somewhere else in the universe.

hmm. that would certainly be something new under the sun i guess :)

So we are looking at a new planet that has no seas.

ha c'mon Epi, you know what "seas" really are lol

 

[faithfulness]

Consider we(His) are anchored into a Rock that cannot be shaken...what is rock?

Hebrews 12:27-28
[27] And this word , Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. [28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Considering....we (His) are anchored into a Rock that cannot be shaken...what is rock?
Something Ignatius/quartz/granite is not what you mean to consider (I have a small collection).
Is it the obvious "Spiritual Kingdom"? Something that remains.

I claimed this verse in a very religious way years ago: I have set the Lord always before me: because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved. Ps16:8
but Hebrews 12:27:28 speaks to me today than ever...

 

[faithfulness]

hmm. that would certainly be something new under the sun i guess :)
ha c'mon Epi, you know what "seas" really are lol

Yes! Something new under the Son! :)

 

[faithfulness]

Considering....we (His) are anchored into a Rock that cannot be shaken...what is rock?
Something Ignatius/quartz/granite is not what you mean to consider (I have a small collection).
Is it the obvious "Spiritual Kingdom"? Something that remains.

I claimed this verse in a very religious way years ago: I have set the Lord always before me: because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved. Ps16:8
but Hebrews 12:27:28 speaks to me today than ever...

And in the days of those kings, the God of heaven shall set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed and this kingdom shall not be left to another people. It shall shatter all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, but will itself stand forever. Dan 2:44

 

[faithfulness]

And in the days of those kings, the God of heaven shall set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed and this kingdom shall not be left to another people. It shall shatter all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, but will itself stand forever. Dan 2:44

Sorry, keep remembering scriptures or scripture songs:
Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and your dominion endures throughout all generations. Ps145:13

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And in the days of those kings, the God of heaven shall set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed and this kingdom shall not be left to another people. It shall shatter all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, but will itself stand forever. Dan 2:44

Yes, I hear you. Thought about this last night and realized I have no idea what it will be like. This, the temporal, is referred to as a schoolroom; what happens when there is no more need for a schoolroom but the earth is filled with the goodness and presence of God? What does that look like, I don’t know. As meantioned above roaring tumultuous seas reveal unrest and waves driven, tossed to and fro that overtake men...what happens when there is no more unrest or tumult? Again, I don’t know. He said to anchor in the Rock which is Christ and when this shakening comes, the all-consuming Fire(the presense of God), we will be anchored in what will remain. Speaking of building on foundations: there is man’s foundation which is temporal (things made)and there is God’s foundation which is Christ, the Son eternal. The foundation of the earth was moved to Christ. We keep speaking of a new heaven and earth but isn’t that foundation of “newness” of creation already been laid but not yet manifested? This refiners Fire, what is it refining? Is it not what will remain(as four went into the four(one with the appearance of the Son). Will the knowledge of God and the light of God and the truth of God not increase until it fills the earth with His judgement and fruit of righteousness? Isn’t the heaven and earth glorified, resurrected as the Son? Same as it is difficult to conceive what the spiritual body of resurrection will be like after living in one fading away.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes! Something new under the Son! :)

ah, well that is cute, but i'm not sure it's true wadr

 

[Episkopos]

hmm. that would certainly be something new under the sun i guess :)
ha c'mon Epi, you know what "seas" really are lol

God Himself will be the light of it..and we all know He has no end. So then the future galaxy we will inhabit will never age...since it is eternal. The rest of the universe...not so much?

I think the seas are just seas...strangely enough! ;)

 

[bbyrd009]

God Himself will be the light of it..and we all know He has no end. So then the future galaxy we will inhabit will never age...since it is eternal. The rest of the universe...not so much?

I think the seas are just seas...strangely enough! ;)

hmm

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I think the seas are just seas...strangely enough! ;)

Maybe but then you take away the significance of the Son walking on the sea, and calling Peter out in faith to do the same.

Psalm 29:10-11
[10] The Lord sitteth upon the flood; yea, the Lord sitteth King for ever. [11] The Lord will give strength unto his people; the Lord will bless his people with peace.

 

[Naomi25]

II Peter 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

This word "new " deserves a closer look, for it means freshness, rejuvenated heaven and earth. This is not another earth and another heaven, but the same earth made over, rejuvenated whereby the evil and pollution is gone. In the age of the new heaven and the new earth only the righteous and righteousness exists. Praise God, for from here on there is only happiness, joy, and the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, in a way, it shall be very much like ourselves. We shall remain 'us', just made 'new'. God will remake our old selves into something that, while recognizable as ourselves, is most definitely not our old selves! The old seed must die for the new to emerge, glorious in it's promise.

 

[amadeus]

Is there water and other water... or is it all the same?

The sea is that on which Jesus and Peter walked. Peter walked on top of the water until he started to sink. Calling on Jesus prevented him from sinking and drowning.

If there were no more sea then I would guess that there would no longer be even the possibility of sinking and drowning.
We should not be creatures of the seawaters, but of God. But... have we not been [and perhaps still are in a measure] beasts in and of that sea. Have we killed all of our beasts [Prov 9:1-2]? Do we always walk on the seawater rather than sometimes looking down to sink again into our own vomit or to look over our shoulders in yearning for Sodom behind us?

But we do need water, but not seawater! Without water a man dies, does he not? Is Zion not first a parched desert place until the Holy Spirit provides "... a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb." Rev 22:1 ?

What about these waters?

"Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many." Ezek 47:8-10

Sounds like fish alive in what we call the Dead Sea. But what does that mean to us?

More questions than answers sometimes it seems?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Romans 8:18-21
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. [19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

“...the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (into) the glorious liberty of the children of God.” ...what creature shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (into) the glorious liberty of the children of God?

Psalm 37:9-11
[9] For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord , they shall inherit the earth. [10] For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be : yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be . [11] But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.