NFL Joins Forces with Homosexual Elites to Discriminate Against Christians

[forrestcupp]

They can try and push it, but they won't get anywhere.


You don't understand...those protections are already in place. Religious institutions are already exempt from non-discrimination laws.


That's not how it works. Any such case would be thrown out before it ever got that far.

I really hope you're right about these things. I know the protections are already in place, but I also know there are a lot of interpretations of those protections. Heck, there are a lot of interpretations of the Constitution, itself. Just look at all the interpretations of the 2nd amendment and gun rights. I hope you're right, but I'm not convinced it would be thrown out of court before a small church has a chance to get shut down because of legal fees. I just wish those protections we already have in place were spelled out clearly enough that there isn't room for other interpretations.

We've already had calls for churches to lose their nonprofit tax free status. All of the sudden having to pay property taxes is enough to shut a struggling church down, too.

 

[River Jordan]

I really hope you're right about these things. I know the protections are already in place, but I also know there are a lot of interpretations of those protections. Heck, there are a lot of interpretations of the Constitution, itself. Just look at all the interpretations of the 2nd amendment and gun rights. I hope you're right, but I'm not convinced it would be thrown out of court before a small church has a chance to get shut down because of legal fees. I just wish those protections we already have in place were spelled out clearly enough that there isn't room for other interpretations.

Look at it this way...there are racist churches in the US right now that refuse to marry non-whites or interracial couples, and no one has tried suing them or taking away their tax exemptions. Why? Because it's a losing effort and the churches, as much as we don't like them, are legally protected. The same is, and will be, true for churches when it comes to gays.

We've already had calls for churches to lose their nonprofit tax free status. All of the sudden having to pay property taxes is enough to shut a struggling church down, too.

People can "call for" whatever they want, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. There are Christians who "call for" the current Constitutional government to be replaced with a Biblical theocracy....doesn't mean it's going to happen.

 

[Phoneman777]

Wow. So you are totally incapable of understanding the difference between treating gays no differently than other sinners, and being a gay advocate? I guess that explains a lot.


Except no one here has suggested anything of the sort. But I can see that you've allowed your hatred to dominate whatever "thinking" was going on in your head, so I'll just thank you for your time.

RJ, Liberalism considers only speech that it agrees with as "free speech" while whatever it disagrees with as "hate speech". Liberalism is truly a mental disorder in that it fails to recognize the very reason for the 1st Amendment in the first place is to protect the right of others to say that with which we disagree - not to protect that with which we do agree should be said. Your use of the "H" word is a pathetic liberal tactic used to smear the character of the person saying that which you cannot gainsay.

That said, perhaps you'd like to hear what God considers to be "hate":

"Hate not thy brother in thine own heart. Thou shalt an any wise rebuke thy brother and not suffer sin upon him." Leviticus 19:17 KJV

Can you see, my formerly confused liberal friend, that God says your failure to rebuke homosexuality by defending it, condoning it, and seeking to legitimize it, is actually demonstrating "hate" towards the homosexual, while those who take a stand of rebuke against it are the ones God considers demonstrating love?

 

[Phoneman777]

My goodness but you're clueless. Wow.

Because I refuse to join you in legitimizing the sin of homosexuality?

 

[River Jordan]

Again, wow. You really are totally incapable of understanding the difference between treating gays no differently than other sinners, and being a gay advocate. Unbelievable.

 

[Phoneman777]

Again, wow. You really are totally incapable of understanding the difference between treating gays no differently than other sinners, and being a gay advocate. Unbelievable

RJ, don't pretend you don't treat sinners differently based on their patterned behavior. I seriously doubt you would allow a visibly drunk alcoholic cab driver to take you to your next "Feel the Bern" rally, or stand in a wedding that was officiated by an ordained "Church of Satan" minister, or ask a thug to house sit for you while you fly to the Middle East and take up the struggle against state-sponsored execution of gays, so why do you deny others the right to discriminate against what they feel is un-Godly, offensive, dangerous behavior?

 

[River Jordan]

I seriously doubt you would allow a visibly drunk alcoholic cab driver to take you to your next "Feel the Bern" rally,

Um....because that's a matter of personal safety, not sin. Duh. :huh:

or stand in a wedding that was officiated by an ordained "Church of Satan" minister

I sure wouldn't.

or ask a thug to house sit for you while you fly to the Middle East and take up the struggle against state-sponsored execution of gays

That's just plain stupid. If that's the best you can come up with.....we'll just leave it at that.

so why do you deny others the right to discriminate against what they feel is un-Godly, offensive, dangerous behavior?

Because there's a difference between what you do as private citizen, and what you do as an owner of a for-profit public business. I fully support everyone's right as private citizens to do as they please (within the law of course), but when it comes to public accommodations, in general everyone should be treated equally. Not only that, but if you get to legally discriminate against gays in your business because of your religious beliefs, why can't a racist Christian who believes in the "curse of Ham" nonsense legally discriminate against blacks because of his religious beliefs? Why can't Christians who are in the "Christian Identity" idiocy legally discriminate against Jews because of their religious beliefs? Or Satanist business owners discriminate against Christians?

Or were you figuring that "religion = excuse to discriminate" would only apply to you and your beliefs?

The fact that you are on the side of legalized, institutional discrimination in the name of Christ should make you stop and think for a second. Southern Christians in the Jim Crow days did the same, and history hasn't been kind. I suspect the same will hold true for you and your kind.

 

[Phoneman777]

Because there's a difference between what you do as private citizen, and what you do as an owner of a for-profit public business. ld make you stop and think for a second. Southern Christians in the Jim Crow days did the same, and history hasn't been kind. I suspect the same will hold true for you and your kind

I prefer to let free men live free. The spirit of Satan is the spirit of bondage and control and the imposition of one's will upon another. That is exactly what Liberalism embodies, as exampled by liberal activist judges whose legislation from the bench has created the illusion in the minds of liberals like you that businesses do not have the right to deny service for any reason, and is why so many satanically minded liberals find it so appealing in their quest for power and control. So glad that there is no room in the kingdom for it, just like unrepentant homosexuals and every other sinner who refuses to listen to the voice of stern rebuke.

 

[River Jordan]

You're either forgetting or ignoring how we tried letting businesses discriminate as they please and we ended up with Jim Crow, No Irish signs, and Jews need not apply rules. And as a society we decided those things are disgusting and unacceptable and took action to ensure it doesn't happen again.

The fact that you want to go back to those days, and are doing so in the name of Christ, and are now saying anyone who disagrees is hell-bound.....is positively revolting. You should be ashamed.

 

[Phoneman777]

You're either forgetting or ignoring how we tried letting businesses discriminate as they please and we ended up with Jim Crow, No Irish signs, and Jews need not apply rules. And as a society we decided those things are disgusting and unacceptable and took action to ensure it doesn't happen again.

The fact that you want to go back to those days, and are doing so in the name of Christ, and are now saying anyone who disagrees is hell-bound.....is positively revolting. You should be ashamed.

So, you're not willing to settle for anything less than Liberal Utopia, right? No system is perfect, but it's still better than the tyranny of massive governmental intrusion. If you like that so much, why are you still here? Why not go down to Venezuela and take up the struggle with the rest of the disarmed public against the Socialist Utopia there? Or, why have you not yet hopped a flight to Syria to protest the murder of "convicted gays"?

Yes, the desire to control every aspect of another's life is satanic, and well defines the mindset of any liberal who desires the same. Jesus was about freedom and free will. And any follower of Jesus should have the right to practice their faith according to the dictates of their conscience without some liberal activist like you demanding an ever expanding government force him to violate those dictates.

 

[ATP]

So, you're not willing to settle for anything less than Liberal Utopia, right? No system is perfect, but it's still better than the tyranny of massive governmental intrusion. If you like that so much, why are you still here? Why not go down to Venezuela and take up the struggle with the rest of the disarmed public against the Socialist Utopia there? Or, why have you not yet hopped a flight to Syria to protest the murder of "convicted gays"?

Yes, the desire to control every aspect of another's life is satanic, and well defines the mindset of any liberal who desires the same. Jesus was about freedom and free will. And any follower of Jesus should have the right to practice their faith according to the dictates of their conscience without some liberal activist like you demanding an ever expanding government force him to violate those dictates.

I can see you sitting at dinner with the sinners now preaching love. You make us proud Phone.

 

[Phoneman777]

I can see you sitting at dinner with the sinners now preaching love. You make us proud Phone.

Though Jesus always spoke the truth in love, He never sought peace with the Jews through compromise, ATP. I strive to do the same.

 

[River Jordan]

So, you're not willing to settle for anything less than Liberal Utopia, right? No system is perfect, but it's still better than the tyranny of massive governmental intrusion. If you like that so much, why are you still here? Why not go down to Venezuela and take up the struggle with the rest of the disarmed public against the Socialist Utopia there? Or, why have you not yet hopped a flight to Syria to protest the murder of "convicted gays"?

Yes, the desire to control every aspect of another's life is satanic, and well defines the mindset of any liberal who desires the same. Jesus was about freedom and free will. And any follower of Jesus should have the right to practice their faith according to the dictates of their conscience without some liberal activist like you demanding an ever expanding government force him to violate those dictates.

It's amazing to watch your simplistic, black/white thinking in action, where the only two options are "no rules and everyone gets to discriminate against anyone" and "total control over everyone's lives".

You must really hate speed limits.

 

[Phoneman777]

It's amazing to watch your simplistic, black/white thinking in action, where the only two options are "no rules and everyone gets to discriminate against anyone" and "total control over everyone's lives".

You must really hate speed limits.

Why do you wish to impose your will in the lives of others in your attempts to defend and legitimize filth? Your attempts to clothe yourself in the dignity of the church while you rail against all things Christian aren't deceiving anyone.

 

[forrestcupp]

Um....because that's a matter of personal safety, not sin. Duh. :huh:


I sure wouldn't.


That's just plain stupid. If that's the best you can come up with.....we'll just leave it at that.


Because there's a difference between what you do as private citizen, and what you do as an owner of a for-profit public business. I fully support everyone's right as private citizens to do as they please (within the law of course), but when it comes to public accommodations, in general everyone should be treated equally. Not only that, but if you get to legally discriminate against gays in your business because of your religious beliefs, why can't a racist Christian who believes in the "curse of Ham" nonsense legally discriminate against blacks because of his religious beliefs? Why can't Christians who are in the "Christian Identity" idiocy legally discriminate against Jews because of their religious beliefs? Or Satanist business owners discriminate against Christians?

Or were you figuring that "religion = excuse to discriminate" would only apply to you and your beliefs?

The fact that you are on the side of legalized, institutional discrimination in the name of Christ should make you stop and think for a second. Southern Christians in the Jim Crow days did the same, and history hasn't been kind. I suspect the same will hold true for you and your kind.

Should a young, petite, black, female photographer be required by law to provide her services for a KKK rally? Should a homosexual caterer be required by law to cater a dinner for the Westboro Baptist Church when their whole intention is to use their first amendment rights to lambaste the caterer for being a homosexual? If you're going to talk about making laws like this, then you'd better look at the whole picture, rather than just the parts that make Christians into doormats.

 

[Phoneman777]

Should a young, petite, black, female photographer be required by law to provide her services for a KKK rally? Should a homosexual caterer be required by law to cater a dinner for the Westboro Baptist Church when their whole intention is to use their first amendment rights to lambaste the caterer for being a homosexual? If you're going to talk about making laws like this, then you'd better look at the whole picture, rather than just the parts that make Christians into doormats.

While he condemns Christian businesses for refusing to join him in defending and legitimizing the filth of homosexuality, I'm sure he has no problem with filling his car with gas refined from oil shipped from countries that are murdering gays in the most inhumane ways. A former U.S. president once said that "if you're a conservative before you're 30 you have no heart and if you're a liberal after 30 you have no brain."

 

[River Jordan]

Why do you wish to impose your will in the lives of others in your attempts to defend and legitimize filth? Your attempts to clothe yourself in the dignity of the church while you rail against all things Christian aren't deceiving anyone.

Thanks for your time.

 

[River Jordan]

Should a young, petite, black, female photographer be required by law to provide her services for a KKK rally?

I don't know....when that happens and the photographer gives her reasons for refusing services, let us know.

Should a homosexual caterer be required by law to cater a dinner for the Westboro Baptist Church when their whole intention is to use their first amendment rights to lambaste the caterer for being a homosexual?

Yes, it is currently illegal to discriminate in public accommodations on the basis of religion. Would you like to remove that protection and allow Christians to be legally discriminated against?

If you're going to talk about making laws like this, then you'd better look at the whole picture, rather than just the parts that make Christians into doormats.

Looks to me like you're the one not thinking of the big picture. In your zeal to discriminate against gays you've ended up advocating for discrimination against Christians.

 

[Phoneman777]

Thanks for your time.

I'll thank you for not corrupting the Word of God with your Satanic philosophy.