No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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Man cannot by His own freewill come to Jesus Christ or believe on Him for Salvation. Its all of God to cause the man or women to believe in Christ Jn 6:44. God must draw the person, or cause the person to believe in Christ, for its written Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Thats part of the drawing, to be given to believe on Him. Its given not on behalf of mans freewill, but on behalf of Christ. Also in the drawing, the causing to believe in Christ certain spiritual blessings are given #1 Spiritual eyes will be open to see Christ spiritually Jn 6:40
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
#2 Will be given spiritual ears to hear His voice. Men naturally are spiritually dead and deaf and cannot hear with understanding Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
In believing in Christ via the Gospel it requires some spiritual understanding Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Naturally man doesnt have this understanding Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
And this word understandeth is the same greek word for understand in Mat 13:23. Now in drawing to Christ its given to see Him Spiritually and hear Him spiritually with spiritual understanding. 14
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Thats part of the drawing, to be given to believe on Him. Its given not on behalf of mans freewill, but on behalf of Christ. Also in the drawing, the causing to believe in Christ certain spiritual blessings are given #1 Spiritual eyes will be open to see Christ spiritually Jn 6:40
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
#2 Will be given spiritual ears to hear His voice. Men naturally are spiritually dead and deaf and cannot hear with understanding Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
In believing in Christ via the Gospel it requires some spiritual understanding Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Naturally man doesnt have this understanding Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
And this word understandeth is the same greek word for understand in Mat 13:23. Now in drawing to Christ its given to see Him Spiritually and hear Him spiritually with spiritual understanding. 14
Jn 6:44 is describing the effectual call or the irresistible grace in what religionist call calvinism, or tulip;
When God calls/draws chosen sinners, he gives them hearing ears, seeing eyes, believing hearts, and understanding minds.
These things are Gifts of God, for as Moses wrote Deut 29:4
Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
That word given can also me to cause like in Deut 28:7
The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
So when God draws us by His power He causes us hear, see, perceive Spiritually, they are His Gifts and not natural to man ! 14
When God calls/draws chosen sinners, he gives them hearing ears, seeing eyes, believing hearts, and understanding minds.
These things are Gifts of God, for as Moses wrote Deut 29:4
Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
That word given can also me to cause like in Deut 28:7
The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
So when God draws us by His power He causes us hear, see, perceive Spiritually, they are His Gifts and not natural to man ! 14
God must teach us and He will if we belong to Him of our total inability to believe in Christ and dispelling the myth of coming to Christ by our own freewill. Therefore teaching about mans total depravity and spiritual death is very important, this truth magnifies the truth that man doesnt have a freewill to come to Christ, hence Jn 6:44. By this the aim centers not on what man can do, his efforts or what have you ,to get saved but on Gods Sovereign Mercy and Grace and what He has done to save His People from their Sins Matt 1:21. One of this Great things is to be given life by the Mercy of God through Jesus Christ !
Those whom the Father draws to Christ are those whom He predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son Rom 8:29-30
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
The call here is ,so that they may come to Christ. This call relates to the Fathers drawing, its the effectual call that goes out to His Chosen ! 15
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
The call here is ,so that they may come to Christ. This call relates to the Fathers drawing, its the effectual call that goes out to His Chosen ! 15
When God draws an individual its His Divine Call or Summons or Gathering in and which results in Faith in Christ. We know this because the ones He calls according to Rom 8:30 He also Justifies them Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
And that incudes Faith as promised Rom 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Therefore, God's drawing is His calling/summon of the elect and it will be resulting in faith in Christ
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
And that incudes Faith as promised Rom 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Therefore, God's drawing is His calling/summon of the elect and it will be resulting in faith in Christ
The drawing in Jn 6:44 ensures Faith in Christ, its not merely giving all men an opportunity to believe in Christ with their own freewill. Its not a juncture whereby they can either accept or reject Christ, its the calling into action the new life God has given them! 15 f
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"No one can come to Christ, by their own freewill"
but
'no one can stay in Christ, without loving Him in their own freewill'
but
'no one can stay in Christ, without loving Him in their own freewill'
All men have been created with the ability to respond to God's call.
Rom 1: 18-21
All men have been called to repent Acts 17: 30 II Pet 3:9
If any man knock it will be opened to him, Matt 7:7, Rev 3:20
All men will be judged Rom 2:5-11, Rev 20: 11-13.
All men will make a free will choice of who they will honor and serve.
It would not be logical that God would create a being in His Image and not give that creature a free will, independent of God's will. Without free will there can be no love
Rom 1: 18-21
All men have been called to repent Acts 17: 30 II Pet 3:9
If any man knock it will be opened to him, Matt 7:7, Rev 3:20
All men will be judged Rom 2:5-11, Rev 20: 11-13.
All men will make a free will choice of who they will honor and serve.
It would not be logical that God would create a being in His Image and not give that creature a free will, independent of God's will. Without free will there can be no love
No man has the ability to believe in Christ. And the natural mans response to the Gospel will always be negative because he is at enmity against God in his mind Rom 8:7-8
amigo de christo
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Its real simple , always has been . preach JESUS the CHRIST and the absolute dire necessity to beleive on him .
And who ever rejects gonna wail on the day of the LORD
who so ever beleives shall be saved .
And put a bible into the hand of every man woman and child .
cause rainbow jesus dont save
koran kissing finding common ground jesus DONT save .
IN other words We better get in that bible and learn it well for our own darn selves .
Cause we got more men in wool who preach anti christ than i have ever seen . And i am talking
about within christendome. ITS got real ugly in these last hours
But many who cliam to be even in wool seem to love it . Truly truly i say to us all
I never seen a delusion like this in all my entire life . and it came f rom within buddy , from within .
amigo de christo
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Marvelloustime
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That scripture is for the regenerated Sheep Jn 10 and not for the non elect spiritual dead. Scripture is never written to them
If one pulls a text out of context, one can make it say whatever one desires.
However, the whole context is about changing one's outlook. It is about being in the Spirit and living in the Spirit. One can change. That change comes by man's will. God does not decide for man what he becomes. We are going to be judged by what we did with the call of God which comes to all men.
Your view rejects the overwhelming view of scripture regarding God's view of man, a creature He created in order to communicate with Him freely, Your view rejects God's love.
Its not out of context, but within the context. Man cannot believe on Christ Jn 6:44 being in the flesh, he is at enmity against God, hates the True God. Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God
I do not know if this was already quoted:
...let the one who wishes (θέλων) take the free gift of the water of life.
Rev 22:17
θέλων - desiring, willing, wishing etc...
...let the one who wishes (θέλων) take the free gift of the water of life.
Rev 22:17
θέλων - desiring, willing, wishing etc...
Rockerduck
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The Holy Spirit is in the Born-again believers, not everybody. Jesus is calling the saints.
Revelation 22:17 - And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
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