No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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Jn 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The drawing of the Father of some to come to/believe in Christ is actually the Father giving them to His Son Jn 6:65
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Again Jn 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
This is the only way a man can come to believe in Christ, it can be only by the will of the Father, not mans so called freewill.
See the natural mans will as he is, is dead, spiritually dead in sin, hes in a hopeless lost state, and not only cannot come, but will not come /believe Jn 5:40, and Rom 3:11.
The word given in Jn 6:65 and giveth in Jn 6:37 is the same word δίδωμί and it means:
to give one to some one as his own: as the object of his saving care, to give one to someone, to follow him as a leader and master,
God is said to have given certain men to Christ, i. e. to have disposed them to acknowledge Christ as the author and medium of their salvation, and to enter into intimate relations with him, hence Christ calls them 'his own' (τὰ ἐμά, John 10:14).
So we have God causing them to be willing in the day of His Power Ps 110:3
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The drawing of the Father of some to come to/believe in Christ is actually the Father giving them to His Son Jn 6:65
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Again Jn 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
This is the only way a man can come to believe in Christ, it can be only by the will of the Father, not mans so called freewill.
See the natural mans will as he is, is dead, spiritually dead in sin, hes in a hopeless lost state, and not only cannot come, but will not come /believe Jn 5:40, and Rom 3:11.
The word given in Jn 6:65 and giveth in Jn 6:37 is the same word δίδωμί and it means:
to give one to some one as his own: as the object of his saving care, to give one to someone, to follow him as a leader and master,
God is said to have given certain men to Christ, i. e. to have disposed them to acknowledge Christ as the author and medium of their salvation, and to enter into intimate relations with him, hence Christ calls them 'his own' (τὰ ἐμά, John 10:14).
So we have God causing them to be willing in the day of His Power Ps 110:3
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
The only ones who will come to Christ/believe in Him for all Salvation will be His Sheep Jn 10:26. And its not by their own freewill nor anything native or natural within them, but by the Father having given them to the Son Jn 6:37,65 which speaks to Election. The Father by drawing them to Christ, actually, by His Spirit of Grace, causes them to come or believe in Christ, hence all credit, praise, honor must go to God for a person believing in Jesus Christ for Salvation. See Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 9
For unto you it is given on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 9
There must be a Divine Intervention before we can believe or come to Christ, a giving of a new mind and heart. Mans heart and mind by nature is enmity against God and not subject to God, and cant be ! Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Also while unregenerate, by nature we are children of wrath as others, and the mind fulfills the lust of the flesh Eph 2:3
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature[physical origin] the children of wrath, even as others.
Folks this is how we are by natural physical birth, our wills belong to the flesh. Nothing short of a New Nature, New beginning is needed, and that's the Divine Intervention.9
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Also while unregenerate, by nature we are children of wrath as others, and the mind fulfills the lust of the flesh Eph 2:3
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature[physical origin] the children of wrath, even as others.
Folks this is how we are by natural physical birth, our wills belong to the flesh. Nothing short of a New Nature, New beginning is needed, and that's the Divine Intervention.9
Behold
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You give God your faith after the Holy Spirit draws you, or you dont.
Its up to you, as its your faith and your free will.
God wants everyone to believe, but not everyone will give God their faith in Christ after they have come to the knowledge of the Truth that Jesus is their Savior and they need to be forgiven.
2 sinners sitting in a church pew on a Sunday.......and both have their heart opened to the truth of Christ and their need of Salvation,.
One chooses to place their faith, in Christ, and one chooses to "think about it more".
See that?
That is FREE WILL............as both have the opportunity to BELIEVE.
No one can come to Jesus unless capacitated by the Father; that is, no one has the ability to receive Jesus unless the Father gives it to him.
John 6:44,65
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
This defeats the false notion of man having a freewill to receive Jesus Christ as in Jn 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 10
John 6:44,65
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
This defeats the false notion of man having a freewill to receive Jesus Christ as in Jn 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 10
Jesus said some will not come to Him Jn 5:40
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
The reason for that is simple, they have not been given to Christ by the Father in Divine Election, because Jesus went on to say Jn 6:37
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Some out of mankind has been given to Christ, pertaining to election, Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
These will come to Him that they may have life in contrast to them in Jn 5:40 who will not come !
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
The reason for that is simple, they have not been given to Christ by the Father in Divine Election, because Jesus went on to say Jn 6:37
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Some out of mankind has been given to Christ, pertaining to election, Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
These will come to Him that they may have life in contrast to them in Jn 5:40 who will not come !
Men by nature cant comprehend the Light, Its written Jn 1:5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Man by nature is the darkness Eph 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
The word comprehend in Jn 1:5 means : 10
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Man by nature is the darkness Eph 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
The word comprehend in Jn 1:5 means : 10
- to lay hold of with the mind
- to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend
First, man cannot come to Him for life. He stated, “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (6:44). Again he says, “Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto Him of My Father” (6:65). The ability to come to Christ for eternal life has two aspects: (1) an inner compelling or “drawing” by the Father to the Son, and (2) the gift or “grant” of the Father of the ability to come to Christ. He taught also that those who come to Him have been given to Him by the Father (6:37) RBS 10
When a person is being drawn by God or Christ its the equivalent of giving them both repentance and faith to believe on Him.
No man/person can come to Jesus Christ in believing except it be for performance of God ! Its like when Jesus says here Jn 3:20-21
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Coming to the Light, which is coming to Jesus who is the Light of the world Jn 8:12;9:5,12:46 is wrought by God, its His accomplished work for men to come to Christ Jn 6:65
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 10
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Coming to the Light, which is coming to Jesus who is the Light of the world Jn 8:12;9:5,12:46 is wrought by God, its His accomplished work for men to come to Christ Jn 6:65
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 10
The reason why men by nature cant come to Christ by their so called freewill is because mans natural carnal mind is enmity against God Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
That word enmity is the greek word echthra:
hostility; by implication, a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
Man naturally in his thoughts, purposes is against God, hates God, so hates Christ who is God Jn 1:1 ! This characterizes mans lost state by nature, so that's why its declared that no man can come to Christ save the Father draws him Jn 6:44,65, or except a man is born again !
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
That word enmity is the greek word echthra:
hostility; by implication, a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
Man naturally in his thoughts, purposes is against God, hates God, so hates Christ who is God Jn 1:1 ! This characterizes mans lost state by nature, so that's why its declared that no man can come to Christ save the Father draws him Jn 6:44,65, or except a man is born again !
This one verse blows this calvinistic garbage out the door.
Rv 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rockerduck
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That is out of context. Read all of Chapter 22. John is talking about the saints in heaven already. Whosoever will in heaven take the water of life. If you aren't there in heaven, you do not get the water of life.
You err. It is a parenthetical invitation to all. It's like claiming verse 5 was limited to those in the new earth. It is parenetical as well
Rv 22:5 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
Is that limited to the same audience you limit verse 17 to? Take your own advice and read the chapter in context. Those in the new earth already have access to the river of life. Verse 17 is speaking of this:
Jn 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
And let's not forget this
Rv 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rockerduck
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Revelation is a prophesy. I assume you heard Jesus' voice. So, your heard Jesus. Unsaved do not hear His voice.
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