No Resurrection, No Millennium

[amigo de christo]

PS , no one wants to take part in the ressurection of the UN just .
SO BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST , BELIEVE IN THE VERY TESTIMONY THAT GOD gave of His Son .
And let not the all inclusive many path to GOD lie be your downfall .

 

[ewq1938]

The first resurrection, as stated in Rev. 20:6 , is a two stage process,

It is not a two stage process in Rev 20:6. Born again Christian are murdered by their heads being cut off in the GT for refusing the MOB and after the day of resurrection comes when they live again and reign with Christ which is verse 6.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

[rwb]

It is not a two stage process in Rev 20:6. Born again Christian are murdered by their heads being cut off in the GT for refusing the MOB and after the day of resurrection comes when they live again and reign with Christ which is verse 6.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

First John sees those who LIVED and REIGNED with Christ a thousand years alive after physical death.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Verse 6 shows us not only how those who have already LIVED, REIGNED and physically died in time are still alive, but he also tells us it is because they have part in the first resurrection during this time on earth John likens to a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When read in context we find Paul is NOT saying the dead in Christ are the first resurrection one must have during this age of time, likened a thousand years. He is simply showing the physically dead in Christ will be resurrected first from the graves with the faithful still alive to be caught up together with the Lord in the air. Not the first resurrection, but the physical resurrection from the graves followed by the physical resurrection of the living in Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Stopping at vs 16 is how you force your unbiblical doctrine upon the Word of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

I see one event that takes place on the last day. At a particular hr on that day all in the tomb will hear his voice and some will come forth to glory while the rest will not.

Whose on first?


Matt 13
36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him saying, “Explain [clearly] to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” 37 He answered,

“The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and [as for] the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the weeds are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
40 So just as the weeds are gathered up and burned in the fire, so will it be at the end of the age.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend [those things by which people are led into sin], and all who practice evil [leading others into sin], 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger]. 43 Then the righteous [those who seek the will of God] will shine forth [radiating the new life] like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears [to hear], let him hear and heed My words.


30 Let them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “First gather the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

We Disagree, "First Resurrection" has no relationship to Jesus Christ being the "First Fruits" in 33AD as reformed preterist eschatology Falsely teaches

Scripture clearly teaches the dead in Christ will rise "First", then those believers in living human bodies are changed after, simple, clear, easy to understand

Reformed eschatology falsely teaches "First Resurrection" in Revelation 20:4-6 are those christians that have partaken in Christ's resurrection in 33AD "False"

The dead in Christ will be "First" to rise on the last day, this is the "First Resurrection" seen in Revelation 20:4-6

The dead in Christ shall rise "FIRST"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

[ewq1938]

"the dead in Christ rise first" which is linguistically related to "the first resurrection". Both are speaking of the same event.


1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


"Rise first" is literally the same as "first resurrection" found here:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

first/G4413 resurrection/G386 is "protos anastasis"
Rise/G450 first/G4412 is "anistemi proton"

Proton and protos are related words that both mean "first". Proton is the neuter of the word protos. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

Anastasis was created from it's root word, anistemi. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

There are not two stages of the first resurrection ie: those who shall rise first. All the dead in Christ will rise at the same exact time. Revelation 20 simply focuses on one group like if there were a million people in a dark room and you shined a flashlight at a group of around a thousand. The others are still there. The light just isn't being shown on them at that time.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

All the dead in Christ will resurrect at the same time. Revelation 20 is only shining a light one one specific group but everyone is actually resurrecting at the same time the beheaded saints are.

 

[rwb]

"the dead in Christ rise first" which is linguistically related to "the first resurrection". Both are speaking of the same event.

No it doesn't! You're just making that up! First means the first in order. The dead in Christ are bodily resurrected BEFORE (which is what first means) those still alive in Christ. Look for example at this verse that tells us Adam "the first man" came before the last Adam "a quickening spirit." By your logic we need to read that the first Adam is the "first resurrection" which is as ridiculous as you saying the dead in Christ rising 'first' or before the living in Christ means there are two physical resurrections of the dead separated by one thousand years. NONSENSE!

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 

[rwb]

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

I find it hard to believe the lengths you will go attempting to prove an unbiblical doctrine. You really believe the "rest of the dead" who NEVER live or reign with Christ in time are the first resurrection one must have part in to overcome the second death? READ IN CONTEXT!

The rest of the dead are resurrected after time is finished! They are the DEAD called to stand before God at the GWTJ to give account of their lives without Christ, to be judged by what is written in the books and the book of life, then cast into the eternal flames, the second death. Nowhere in Scripture can you prove the dead who never know Christ in time are blessed and called holy!

Revelation 20:5-6 (KJV) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20 shows us the fate of those in TIME, (which a thousand years equates to) either lived and reigned with Christ as witnesses of Jesus and the word of God, priests of God and of Christ CONTRASTED by the rest of the dead who live and die in time (a thousand years) but are NEVER know Christ, who shall be physically raised when time for living and reigning with Christ is finished, to resurrection of damnation!

Revelation 20:11-15 (KJV) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

What John has written is really not that difficult to understand. Unless of course you have an unbiblical doctrine to protect by twisting the words of John into total nonsense as millennialists love to do to all of Scripture. Rev 20 summed up simply tells us that men/women of faith need not fear physical death, because the faithful NEVER die! John shows us the exact opposite for those who live and die during this age of time without every belonging to Christ's resurrection life have much to fear, because death for them is forever.

 

[Earburner]

It is not a two stage process in Rev 20:6. Born again Christian are murdered by their heads being cut off in the GT for refusing the MOB and after the day of resurrection comes when they live again and reign with Christ which is verse 6.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

For all who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, they have indeed risen (been quickened) with Christ spiritually. Col. 3
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
That is the first stage of our resurrection, for whosover hath not the Spirit of Christ [now], he is none of His. Rom.8:8-9.
As a result of such a condition to find oneself in, the bodily resurrection that they had hoped for, is going to fall terribly short, when Jesus says to them: depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you. Mat. 7:21-23

 

[ewq1938]

For all who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, they have indeed risen (been quickened) with Christ spiritually. Col. 3
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
That is the first stage of our resurrection, for whosover hath not the Spirit of Christ [now], he is none of His. Rom.8:8-9.
As a result of such a condition to find oneself in, the bodily resurrection that they had hoped for, is going to fall terribly short, when Jesus says to them: depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you. Mat. 7:21-23

He might say that to people who misuse scripture.

 

[jeffweeder]

He might say that to people who misuse scripture.

He is saying it to everyone, that they may believe in him and receive the Holy Spirit....and be saved and ready for his future appearing.

 

[Gilligan]

We clearly need to partake of Jesus life and resurrection now, as this facilitates our born again experience of the Spirit.

This is the kind sloppy theology talk by which people teach things they would never agree with if asked in plain language.

The Bible says we are partakers of His divine nature and Spirit to know Him and the power of His resurrection. No Scripture says we are partakers of Jesus' resurrection from the dead. Jesus was never spiritually risen from the death of sins and trespasses, as we are when born again of God. The only resurrection of Jesus Christ is from the dead.

You are not partaking of Jesus' resurrection from the dead. There is no part of your body that is yet resurrected and immortal as Jesus' body is. And you are in no way as an angel in heaven.

Peter says we are born again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, because by His body being raised from the dead, Jesus the Lamb and Son of God is able to save us by His Spirit. He does not save us by His resurrected body.

The first resurrection of the church at His return, is of the church only, because Jesus is already resurrected from the dead. And until that resurrection of the dead, there is no Millennium of Christ on earth, because He has not come again a second time till then.

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Paul hasn't attained to the resurrection of the dead, as Jesus did, and neither have we.

 

[Gilligan]

Hello! Your so-called future millium [sic] is full of sin and sinners, dying and crying, marriage and procreation.

Rev 20 relates to the here-and-now. Luke 20:27-33 relates to the age to come: “Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him, Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children. And the second took her to wife, and he died childless. And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died. Last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.”

Christ replies in Luke 20:34-36: “The children of this world [Gr. aion or age] marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world [Gr. aion or age], and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.”

Luke adds more meat on the bones compared to what Matthew shares in his parallel account. Luke shows Christ rebuking the cunningness of the Sadducees and their attempt to deny a future physical resurrection at His return. Luke 20:27-36 clearly demonstrates that the defining moment of change between this age and the age to come is the time of the Lord’s return and the physical resurrection, not AD70 as Preterists claim. It is nowhere shown to be the change from the old covenant to the new covenant, as they argue.

It is impossible to miss the constant scriptural comparison between “this world” and “that world” or “this age” and “that age.” There is no additional age recognized. In text reinforces that repeated biblical truth. Those who live in this current evil age are described here as “the children of this world/age” but those who are depicted as being “worthy to obtain that age” to come are described exclusively as “the children of God, being the children of the resurrection” and are said to be “equal unto the angels.” There is no other way of reading this.

One must be appropriately qualified in order inherit the new world to come. They must be glorified on the day of redemption. Those that are worthy to obtain that age are not mortals and not sinners; they are rather glorified saints – who incidentally never marry or die.

Let us pause for a moment and consider what is being said here: people marry right up until the second coming, but in the age to come they don’t marry because the saints of God will be adorned with their new glorified eternal bodies. What is more: Christ shows that people die right up until the second coming but in the age to come they don’t die. Why? Because sin, sinners and the wicked are not welcome on the new glorified perfected earth that Christ introduces at the second coming.

The contrast here moves from: ‘marriage’ to ‘no marriage’, ‘death’ to ‘no death’. Marriage disappears! Death disappears! The turning point is the glorious coming of Christ and the resurrection that accompanies it.
Jesus outlines in clear tones the incorruptibility and the glory of the future state. This is not the case with the Premillennial and Preterist age to come; marriage, divorce, funerals and mourning continue unabated. This passage forbids both the Premillennial and Preterist theories.

This passage strongly cuts across the Premillennialists scheme that envisions a half-way redeemed earth with humans still procreating and still dying.

Does anyone truly believe that Jesus was teaching that people would marry in the Jewish age but not in the Christian age? Nobody would maintain such folly. This passage definitely leaves no room for the Premillennial and Preterist expectations. If words carry any meaning in Scripture then the whole Premillennial and Preterist schemes falls apart with such a passage. After all, in their paradigm, all the bondage of corruption continues on in the Premillennial and Preterist ‘ages to come’.

Blah-blah. O wait, copy and paste blah-blah.

 

[Gilligan]

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Other than conflating the first resurrection of the blessed with the rest of the dead a thousand years later, at least you aren't saying you're already in the first resurrection of the dead.

You haven't completely lost it like other amils.

 

[Gilligan]

Please do not put your response to Gilligan and mine on the same post. We believe opposites.

You prove right here you have no reigning power and rule over anyone on earth.

You have no rule here.

 

[Gilligan]

Matthew 22:29-32 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

This is not a difficult passage to understand when one has faith to believe all that Christ has said. Those of faith, like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, long ago physically dead, according to Christ are not dead even though their bodies are. They cannot be dead because God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Why would Christ say in the resurrection, physically dead saints are "of the living" and "are as the angels of God in heaven"? Because it is the spirit that gives us life, the flesh profits nothing!

Because we are in the presence of the Lord, when our bodies go to the grave.

The resurrection Jesus speaks of is the resurrection of the body. And that is the only resurrection there is.

It is not Biblically correct to speak of a spiritual 'resurrection' while still alive and remaining on earth. The only reason anyone tries to teach one, is to reject the Millennium of Christ after the first resurrection of the church. In doing so, people find themselves claiming to already have part in the resurrection of the dead, and so are teaching the same heresy of amils, that Paul had to rebuke for overthrowing the faith.

Being raised by His Spirit from the spiritual death of sinning and trespassing, is not being raised from the dead. No one has yet been raised from the dead in the likeness of Christ's resurrection, because the only resurrection there is, is from the dead.

Christ is the resurrection and the life, and whosoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER die. When man has lived and partaken of Christ, the resurrection and the life,

Once again, when Jesus says He is the resurrection, he is speaking of resurrection from the dead, which He meant at that time by raising Lazarus from the grave. As well as other OT saints raised to live again like Lazarus from the grave, at the death of Jesus.

that is to have eternal spiritual life through His Spirit in us, and though our bodies will suffer death, our spirit ascends to heaven to be as the angels of God, spiritual body, not physical body.

Not yet as angels, because not yet resurrected bodily from the dead.

If we die physically, then we are in the presence of the Lord, not as the angels in heaven, who already created with their own eternal bodies.

Since Christ is the resurrection and the life, when we have faith in Him our spirit never dies but is as the angels in heaven who are spirit beings.

OSAS rubbish. So long as you keep yourself from sinning, you still have Christ and His eternal Spirit.

I knew all this amil stuff is ultimately spiritual 'resurrection', so as to no longer be responsible for the deeds of the body on earth.

You are teaching the heresy of the resurrection is past, and denouncing Jesus saying we will never be as the angels, until we are in that resurrection to come.

All your high-sounding words are smokescreen for spiritually resurrected unconditional eternal security of the soul, no matter what ungodliness you enjoy in the meantime.

The first mention of living souls of martyred saints John writes had already lived and reigned with Christ in time, he likens to a thousand years.

John doesn't liken anything, but says they are a thousand years. Symbologers do all the likening they want.

John is speaking of them on thrones in the last judgment, who did live and reign with Christ for a thousand years, and then goes back to their first resurrection and speaks of them doing so afterward.

This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

After a thousand years, they will sit on thrones with judgement given to them over the rest of the dead.

Since Christ is the first resurrection,

Not. He is the first resurrected man from the dead. No other man has yet had part in the resurrection of the dead with Him.

You are not already in the resurrection. The resurrection is not already passed for you. And you certainly aren't as an angel in heaven. And especially not reigning in heaven over them.

and whosoever lives and believes in Him shall never die,

I.e. keep yourself from falling into temptation and sinning until the end.

John's vision shows whosoever has faith to believe that ALL who live and reign with Christ in time shall not die,

That's because they've already been resurrected from the dead.

 

[WPM]

Blah-blah. O wait, copy and paste blah-blah.

No answer to the truth. That is your theology in a nutshell.

Learn the Book and come back to me. Avoidance on discussion forums is a classic sign you have nothing of worth or substance to bring to the table.

 

[Gilligan]

That's exactly what Christ is telling us! Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have long ago died, but in the resurrection - what resurrection?

The resurrection of the dead, of course:

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

The Sadducees were not speaking of any 'spiritual' resurrection of the heart, but of the bodily resurrection of the dead from the graves.

And so is Jesus.

The resurrection of Christ...In the resurrection when we shall be as angels in heaven, Christ is NOT speaking of the physical resurrection

You speak of the resurrection of the dead and the resurrection of Christ, and say it isn't physical. He argued it was physical with the Sadducees, and Paul confirms it as what we still fight to attain:

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

The resurrection of the dead is physical only, and not yet had by Jesus nor Paul nor any man in the days of our flesh on earth.

Neither Jesus nor Paul spoke of this so-called 'spiritual' resurrection of the dead, that amils teach in order to reject the Lord's millennium on earth with His saints. They also gut it of ruling over nations. But they do keep the rods of iron to bludgeon everyone to death.

Your 'spiritual' resurrection to be in heaven now as the angels is liken to Jewish fables.

The heresy of the resurrection of the dead is past, overthrows the faith. And we see where it is thrown: Into OSAS dead faith alone unconditional eternal salvation already as angels in heaven, just waiting for our old bodies way back on earth to die.

 

[WPM]

You speak of the resurrection of the dead and the resurrection of Christ, and say it isn't physical. He argued it was physical with the Sadducees, and Paul confirms it as what we still fight to attain ...

The heresy of the resurrection of the dead is past, overthrows the faith. And we see where it is thrown: Into OSAS dead faith alone unconditional eternal salvation already as angels in heaven, just waiting for our old bodies way back on earth to die.

You keep rabbiting this nonsense, knowing full well it is blatant lies. That makes you a common liar. You do not want to know the truth because it would get in the way of your hate campaign. Remember who is a liar and a deceiver in Scripture!!! Notably, there is no conviction and no repentance on your part. That is telling! Christians tell the truth. They are convicted by sin.

• What Amil denies a future physical resurrection of the redeemed?
• What Amil believes the redeemed will have "rods of iron to bludgeon everyone to death"?

None! But that does not matter to you. You prefer the lie of the enemy.

This is all part of your deceitful hate campaign because you cannot answer any of the Amil arguments. I refer the reader to all the avoided rebuttals.

Your fixation with going to hell with your NOSAS nonsense is also telling!

 

[Gilligan]

The argument of the resurrection of the dead being 'spiritual', is proven false.

Everywhere the resurrection is spoken of in the Bible, it pertains to that of the dead bodies from the graves.

Beginning with Dan 12 from the dust of the earth.

When Jesus spoke of the resurrection of the dead, it was to rebuke the Sadducees, who said there was no physical resurrection.

When Paul rebukes those saying there is no resurrection of the dead, like Jesus he is speaking of the bodily resurrection of the dead.

Paul said he was still pressing forward to attain to the resurrection of the dead.

One of the first principles of the doctrine of Christ is the resurrection of the dead, along with laying on of hands and baptisms.

The 'resurrection of the dead' in Scripture, is never referred to as spiritual, but only physical. Rising with Christ from the death of sinning, is not the resurrection of the dead.

There aren't two 'resurrections' of the dead. This spiritual 'resurrection of the dead' is a purposed artifice, used solely to reject the Millennium of Christ and His saints ruling the nations after the resurrection of the dead.

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[n2thelight]

Hello! Your so-called future millium [sic] is full of sin and sinners, dying and crying, marriage and procreation.

Rev 20 relates to the here-and-now. Luke 20:27-33 relates to the age to come: “Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him, Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children. And the second took her to wife, and he died childless. And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died. Last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.”

Christ replies in Luke 20:34-36: “The children of this world [Gr. aion or age] marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world [Gr. aion or age], and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.”

Luke adds more meat on the bones compared to what Matthew shares in his parallel account. Luke shows Christ rebuking the cunningness of the Sadducees and their attempt to deny a future physical resurrection at His return. Luke 20:27-36 clearly demonstrates that the defining moment of change between this age and the age to come is the time of the Lord’s return and the physical resurrection, not AD70 as Preterists claim. It is nowhere shown to be the change from the old covenant to the new covenant, as they argue.

It is impossible to miss the constant scriptural comparison between “this world” and “that world” or “this age” and “that age.” There is no additional age recognized. In text reinforces that repeated biblical truth. Those who live in this current evil age are described here as “the children of this world/age” but those who are depicted as being “worthy to obtain that age” to come are described exclusively as “the children of God, being the children of the resurrection” and are said to be “equal unto the angels.” There is no other way of reading this.

One must be appropriately qualified in order inherit the new world to come. They must be glorified on the day of redemption. Those that are worthy to obtain that age are not mortals and not sinners; they are rather glorified saints – who incidentally never marry or die.

Let us pause for a moment and consider what is being said here: people marry right up until the second coming, but in the age to come they don’t marry because the saints of God will be adorned with their new glorified eternal bodies. What is more: Christ shows that people die right up until the second coming but in the age to come they don’t die. Why? Because sin, sinners and the wicked are not welcome on the new glorified perfected earth that Christ introduces at the second coming.

The contrast here moves from: ‘marriage’ to ‘no marriage’, ‘death’ to ‘no death’. Marriage disappears! Death disappears! The turning point is the glorious coming of Christ and the resurrection that accompanies it.
Jesus outlines in clear tones the incorruptibility and the glory of the future state. This is not the case with the Premillennial and Preterist age to come; marriage, divorce, funerals and mourning continue unabated. This passage forbids both the Premillennial and Preterist theories.

This passage strongly cuts across the Premillennialists scheme that envisions a half-way redeemed earth with humans still procreating and still dying.

Does anyone truly believe that Jesus was teaching that people would marry in the Jewish age but not in the Christian age? Nobody would maintain such folly. This passage definitely leaves no room for the Premillennial and Preterist expectations. If words carry any meaning in Scripture then the whole Premillennial and Preterist schemes falls apart with such a passage. After all, in their paradigm, all the bondage of corruption continues on in the Premillennial and Preterist ‘ages to come’.

There's No way in the world Revelation 20 relates to the here and now !

Revelation 12 ,is the end of the millennium so please tell me who can it be the here and now ? Not possible!

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

How in the Word can this be here and now , is the devil that's deceiving you still around ?

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Nobody has been thrown into the lake of fire , heck nobody has been even judged yet , only satan by names has been judged and sentenced to death along with his fallen angels

So again, HOW can this be here and now ?