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Matthew 4
“‘Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6 and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,’
and
“‘On their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”
7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’” 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,
“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”
11 Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.
The Temptation of Jesus
4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4 But he answered, “It is written,“‘Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6 and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,’
and
“‘On their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”
7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’” 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,
“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”
11 Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.
I've read the Bible and already know this.
However: Are human beings tempted exclusively by demons?
You know where I'm going with this right?
No, humans are tempted by;
1. The arm of their own uncrucified flesh.
2. The lust of the world—(lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life)
3. Generational curses.
No... I'm not very smart.
No you are smart, just think outside of your beliefs. Please for me.No, humans are tempted by;
1. The arm of their own uncrucified flesh.
2. The lust of the world—(lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life)
3. Generational curses.
No... I'm not very smart.
Men can be tempted to tempt God as the tempter was tempting Jesus to do in the wilderness
Here it says they tempted the LORD here
| Deut 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
The devil tempting Jesus to do the same, to which he responds, Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. |
Whats not the same thing?
Jesus was led of the Spirit "to be" tempted of the Tempter/the devil, and Jesus even said to the tempter's/devil's temptation to tempt the LORD, It is written "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
It might not be the same temptation, but Jesus understood the temptation as him being tempted (by the Tempter) to tempt God which is why Jesus recited that scripture back to the Tempter.
In what way is it not?
There was the serpent (who is Satan and the devil) and there were his children and it says here
Heb 12:1 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him
Luke 20:23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?
John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.
Men laying in wait and setting traps for him in order to accuse him
Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.
Theres a few others
Alrighty: What I'm trying to convey is that Jesus couldn't be tempted by sin nature in the conventional way we do. Him being tempted at all points could only come from a outside force such as demon's or other people, but that's still not the full experience of sin.
My opinion about that is Eve was tempted by belief itself. Since before knowing what a good or evil decision was she could only believe what the serpent told her. It's exactly what we see played around the world today, and no, there is no true belief to believe in.
If he "experienced sin" (if by that you mean) actually sinning, he did not. Although, had he have sinned he would not be our Savior who was without sin.
By him also all things were created so I could never see how it would be possible to tempt him lustfully towards a woman (for example). That would be weird to even think about. Like if you sat down and created clay figures and breathed life into them (as ridiculous as that sounds) do you think you could lust after them? I wouldnt think so.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Heb 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
Interesting thoughts.
Prior to that, she believed what God told her, yet she still took the word of Satan over the Lord. What it shows is that we have a free will to either believe or not believe. However, one was a command that came with a penalty, while the other offered benefits to self.
But the fall in Christian terminology is caused by believing. We still wouldn't actually know what good and evil is, we can only believe what we believe, the very thing YAHWEH said do not do.Interesting thoughts.
No, the fall was caused by disobedience to God's command, which states: Genesis 3
2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” (After being convinced by Satan that they will not die)
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked.
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