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Scripture tells us that men like Noah and Abraham were declared righteous by God. What exactly does that mean, given God had not yet communicated His expectations to Moses? Yes, they were totally, obedient to God, but that still begs the question concerning their day-to-day behavior.

The Apostle Paul wrote (2 Corinthians 5:21) “For He made Him who knew no sin . . . .” meaning, for Paul, Jesus never broke a Mosaic commandment, but that also means Jesus never broke a sin of commission OR omission. (Clearly!)

So, did God tell Noah and Abraham they were to act justly, show mercy, and walk humbly? Or did He tell them to love Him and their neighbors?

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Scripture tells us that men like Noah and Abraham were declared righteous by God. What exactly does that mean, given God had not yet communicated His expectations to Moses? Yes, they were totally, obedient to God, but that still begs the question concerning their day-to-day behavior.

The Apostle Paul wrote (2 Corinthians 5:21) “For He made Him who knew no sin . . . .” meaning, for Paul, Jesus never broke a Mosaic commandment, but that also means Jesus never broke a sin of commission OR omission. (Clearly!)

So, did God tell Noah and Abraham they were to act justly, show mercy, and walk humbly? Or did He tell them to love Him and their neighbors?

Blessings.
When a policeman tells you not to speed, yet doesn't write it down, do you floor it and go to the max all over the road? Of course not, and even with no written law, you follow his command.
 

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When a policeman tells you not to speed, yet doesn't write it down, do you floor it and go to the max all over the road? Of course not, and even with no written law, you follow his command.
Thank you for your post.

Adam only had two commandments: tend the garden and don’t eat the forbidden fruit. Presumably, there was a lot more to the commands God communicated to Noah and Abraham than just those.

Micah wrote: God requires us to act justly, show mercy, and walk humbly With Him. There is a multiplicity of behavior characteristics packed into these expectations.

Jesus told us there were only two commandments, but on them hang all of the law (see the Torah) and the prophets (Micah etc.).
(If someone asked you, “What does Love Your Neighbor Like Yourself mean,” what would you answer?)

How specific did God need to be with Noah and Abraham, for them to understand His expectations?

(The Bible doesn’t say, so the details must not be important.)

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In a sermon on Genesis 12 and Abraham’s faith in particular, M G Pearce noted that here and throughout the Bible the importance of faith in God is a consistent theme, and is often the major, if not sole, attribute describing a central figure.

The Bible was transmitted orally before being written, and is quite possible the various teachers provided additional details about the characters. But when came time for committing God’s word to paper, many details might have been lost because of the limited space of scrolls. (Analogy: a lecture where the presenter writes the main points as bullets on each slide.)

Since the Bible is God’s word, we should conclude that for God Himself, faith in Him has always been, and will always be, our most important belief.

Blessings.
 

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Scripture tells us that men like Noah and Abraham were declared righteous by God. What exactly does that mean, given God had not yet communicated His expectations to Moses? Yes, they were totally, obedient to God, but that still begs the question concerning their day-to-day behavior.

The Apostle Paul wrote (2 Corinthians 5:21) “For He made Him who knew no sin . . . .” meaning, for Paul, Jesus never broke a Mosaic commandment, but that also means Jesus never broke a sin of commission OR omission. (Clearly!)

So, did God tell Noah and Abraham they were to act justly, show mercy, and walk humbly? Or did He tell them to love Him and their neighbors?

Blessings.

Study Romans 4 and Galatians 3 about Abraham and The Gospel.
 
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Many miss the following, simply because they do not study The Old Testament Books as thoroughly as they do The New Testament Books.

God first gave The Gospel of Jesus Christ to and through Abraham. Apostle Paul refers to this in Romans 4 and Galatians 3, that The Gospel was preached to Abraham.

Abraham believed God, and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. Apostle Paul likewise it is the same with all those of Faith, that righteousness is accounted by Faith on God's Promise, The Gospel.

Melchizedek, which Hebrews 7 reveals was Lord Jesus Christ in Old Testament times, met Abraham and offered him "bread and wine", sacraments of The New Covenant. Hebrews 7 even goes into the matter of Melchizedek blessing Abraham, even before there was a Levitical priesthood.

Many of our Sunday School teachers have misled us, because pointers to The Gospel of Jesus Christ exist in just about every Book of The Bible, starting with the end of Genesis 3. King David was given to prophesy about Christ's crucifixion about a 1,000 years before it happened (see Psalms 22). Isaiah was given to prophesy about Christ's death also (see Isaiah 53). There are also many OT prophetic references to Christ's future coming, gathering of the saints, and His future reign.

To discover much of this, it's like the Bible student has to go through the whole New Testament study first, and then go and backtrack in The Old Testament in-depth, instead of just jumping through it with short topic history like in youth Sunday School.

Not only do the firstborn of the children of Israel have a literal birthright they inherit from their flesh father, but our Heavenly Father Himself has a Birthright that He gave through His chosen elect. Per Old Testament history, that Birthright from GOD Himself begins with Abraham. Thus it's important to notice anytime God gives a blessing or promise through the Old Testament Patriarchs, because often it is pointing to His Birthright.

An Example:
1. To Abraham, God promised that he would be the father of a seed as many as the sands of the sea and stars of the sky. He also promised Abraham that he would rule over the gates of his enemies (great military strength). God also included blessings of inheritance of the land. Apostle Paul said The Gospel was preached to Abraham.

2. Then to Abraham's son Isaac, many of those same Blessings from God are given.

3. With Jacob, he is given the new name ISRAEL to represent the 'overcomers', i.e., the believers of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The seed blessing given again, plenty of corn and wine (i.e., best land resources), etc.

4. Then with Jacob's son Joseph, he was blessed while separated in the land of Egypt, and was exalted to second ruler. He had two sons while there, Manasseh the elder, and Ephraim the younger. 1 Chronicles 5 reveals God's Birthright finally wound upon Ephraim and Manasseh. But Judah would receive the royal sceptre of kingline. With Ephraim, that is where God's Birthright stopped, and is still today with the tribe of Ephraim, the head tribe and largest one over the ten northern tribes that were scattered out of the holy land first, and never to return as a majority, even to this day. Thus they are called the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

5. God then reveals prophecy of what He would do to Ephraim and the ten tribed "house of Israel". That He would scatter then to new lands, and there give them the full weight of their Baal idol worship they forget Him for. But then He would give them a door of hope, and a new covenant in new lands, and no longer call them, 'not My people' (Lo-Ami), but instead Ami, meaning 'My people', and others with them would also be called the sons of the living GOD. (see Book of Hosea).

6. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 would quote from the Book of Hosea to Gentile Roman believers on Jesus Christ, referring to them also as the sons of the living GOD reference in Hosea along with the ten tribe "house of Israel". All this about the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) being inheritors of The Gospel along with believing Gentiles in new lands is about the foundation of the early western Christian nations that began to put away their Baal idols in Asia Minor and Europe, and instead began to accept The Gospel of Jesus Christ on national scales, Great Britain being the first nation to do that per history.

Much is there in the Old Testament prophets about The Gospel, and it's a simple matter of taking the time to go thought it and recognize those things Christ and His Apostles taught pulling from it. Even Apostle Peter and Jude revealed that Enoch, the 7th from the man Adam, knew about Jesus Christ and His future 2nd coming (see Jude 14).
 
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Thank you for your long, detailed response.

My preference is always for simplicity, including simple precepts (although unpacking them can be complex).

A truly faithful person is not just obedient to God, but joyfully obedient (in spirit as well as in to letter of commandments).

In the distant past, Truly faithful people heard from God and did as best they could to obey completely. (The precise wording of God’s communications need not concern us.) They could then be assured God would keep His promises.

Today, we have the advantage of an entire Bible to learn from, including all of the details inherent in the commands to Love God and Love Our Neighbor.

Blessings.
 

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Thank you for your long, detailed response.

My preference is always for simplicity, including simple precepts (although unpacking them can be complex).

A truly faithful person is not just obedient to God, but joyfully obedient (in spirit as well as in to letter of commandments).

In the distant past, Truly faithful people heard from God and did as best they could to obey completely. (The precise wording of God’s communications need not concern us.) They could then be assured God would keep His promises.

Today, we have the advantage of an entire Bible to learn from, including all of the details inherent in the commands to Love God and Love Our Neighbor.

Blessings.
True Old Testament Bible study reveals that God's chosen elect knew a lot more about Christ and The Gospel than most of today's preachers want to let on. To make this revelation easier for the Bible student, I recommend a Bible like The Companion Bible, a KJV study Bible put together by the 19th century British Christian scholar E.W. Bullinger. I recommend it for several reasons, but on this matter, his side margin to the KJV text shows anytime in The New Testament when The Old Testament is either being quoted or referred to.
 
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Scripture tells us that men like Noah and Abraham were declared righteous by God. What exactly does that mean, given God had not yet communicated His expectations to Moses? Yes, they were totally, obedient to God, but that still begs the question concerning their day-to-day behavior.

The Apostle Paul wrote (2 Corinthians 5:21) “For He made Him who knew no sin . . . .” meaning, for Paul, Jesus never broke a Mosaic commandment, but that also means Jesus never broke a sin of commission OR omission. (Clearly!)

So, did God tell Noah and Abraham they were to act justly, show mercy, and walk humbly? Or did He tell them to love Him and their neighbors?

Blessings.
While the only way for someone to attain a character trait is through faith, what it means for someone to attain a character trait is for them to become a doer of that trait. So the only way for someone to become courageous is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough courageous works in order to earn it as the result, but it would be contradictory for someone to become courageous apart from becoming a doer of courageous works, and the same is true for righteousness and every other character trait. This is why the same faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works does not abolish our need to be a doer of righteous works in obedience to God's law, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:27-31).

God's way is the way to know Him by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, such as in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply Abraham's children as the stars in the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth will be blessed because he heard God's voice and guarded His charge, commandments, statutes, and laws. In Deuteronomy 30:16, if the children of Abraham will love God with all of their heart by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then they will live and multiply and God will bless the in the land that they go to posses. So the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of His household to do that, and because they did that.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would teach those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3).

In Psalms 119:1-3, God's law is how we know how to be blessed by asking in God's way, and in Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him how to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith.

Sin is what is contrary to God's character, such as with unrighteousness being sin and sin is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way by being a doer of His character traits. In Hebrews 1:3, the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character, which he expressed through his actions by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so that is what it means that he was without sin.
 
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Many miss the following, simply because they do not study The Old Testament Books as thoroughly as they do The New Testament Books.

God first gave The Gospel of Jesus Christ to and through Abraham. Apostle Paul refers to this in Romans 4 and Galatians 3, that The Gospel was preached to Abraham.

Abraham believed God, and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. Apostle Paul likewise it is the same with all those of Faith, that righteousness is accounted by Faith on God's Promise, The Gospel.

Melchizedek, which Hebrews 7 reveals was Lord Jesus Christ in Old Testament times, met Abraham and offered him "bread and wine", sacraments of The New Covenant. Hebrews 7 even goes into the matter of Melchizedek blessing Abraham, even before there was a Levitical priesthood.

Many of our Sunday School teachers have misled us, because pointers to The Gospel of Jesus Christ exist in just about every Book of The Bible, starting with the end of Genesis 3. King David was given to prophesy about Christ's crucifixion about a 1,000 years before it happened (see Psalms 22). Isaiah was given to prophesy about Christ's death also (see Isaiah 53). There are also many OT prophetic references to Christ's future coming, gathering of the saints, and His future reign.

To discover much of this, it's like the Bible student has to go through the whole New Testament study first, and then go and backtrack in The Old Testament in-depth, instead of just jumping through it with short topic history like in youth Sunday School.

Not only do the firstborn of the children of Israel have a literal birthright they inherit from their flesh father, but our Heavenly Father Himself has a Birthright that He gave through His chosen elect. Per Old Testament history, that Birthright from GOD Himself begins with Abraham. Thus it's important to notice anytime God gives a blessing or promise through the Old Testament Patriarchs, because often it is pointing to His Birthright.

An Example:
1. To Abraham, God promised that he would be the father of a seed as many as the sands of the sea and stars of the sky. He also promised Abraham that he would rule over the gates of his enemies (great military strength). God also included blessings of inheritance of the land. Apostle Paul said The Gospel was preached to Abraham.

2. Then to Abraham's son Isaac, many of those same Blessings from God are given.

3. With Jacob, he is given the new name ISRAEL to represent the 'overcomers', i.e., the believers of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The seed blessing given again, plenty of corn and wine (i.e., best land resources), etc.

4. Then with Jacob's son Joseph, he was blessed while separated in the land of Egypt, and was exalted to second ruler. He had two sons while there, Manasseh the elder, and Ephraim the younger. 1 Chronicles 5 reveals God's Birthright finally wound upon Ephraim and Manasseh. But Judah would receive the royal sceptre of kingline. With Ephraim, that is where God's Birthright stopped, and is still today with the tribe of Ephraim, the head tribe and largest one over the ten northern tribes that were scattered out of the holy land first, and never to return as a majority, even to this day. Thus they are called the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

5. God then reveals prophecy of what He would do to Ephraim and the ten tribed "house of Israel". That He would scatter then to new lands, and there give them the full weight of their Baal idol worship they forget Him for. But then He would give them a door of hope, and a new covenant in new lands, and no longer called them, 'no My people' (Lo-Ami), but instead Ami, meaning 'My people', and others with them would also be called the sons of the living GOD. (see Book of Hosea).

6. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 would quote from the Book of Hosea to Gentile Roman believers on Jesus Christ, referring to them also as the sons of the living GOD reference in Hosea along with the ten tribe "house of Israel".

Much is there in the Old Testament prophets about The Gospel, and it's a simple matter of taking the time to go thought it and recognize those things Christ and His Apostles taught pulling from it. Even Apostle Peter and Jude revealed that Enoch, the 7th from the man Adam, knew about Jesus Christ and His future 2nd coming (see Jude 14).
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which is in accordance with Jesus being sent in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel of the Kingdom that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8), and which he spread to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in God's way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He had promised. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply Abraham's children as the stars in the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth will be blessed because he heard God's voice and guided His charge, commandments, statutes, and laws. In Deuteronomy 30:16, if the children of Abraham will love God with all of their heart by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then they will live and multiply and God will bless them in the land that they go to posses. So the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom, and because they did that.

In Psalms 119:1-3, God's law is how the children of Abraham know how to be blessed by walking in God's way, and in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him, so the way that the children of Abraham and multiplied and are a blessing to the nations in accordance with inheriting the promise through faith is by turning the nations from their wickedness and teaching then to do the same works as Abraham by walking in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom.
 

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Paul does say this also

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Something that we inherit is a gift, so while we do not earn the promise as the result of our obedience to God's law, that does not mean that the content of what is promised is not in regard to what will happen if we are doers of God's law.
 

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Scripture tells us that men like Noah and Abraham were declared righteous by God. What exactly does that mean, given God had not yet communicated His expectations to Moses? Yes, they were totally, obedient to God, but that still begs the question concerning their day-to-day behavior.

The Apostle Paul wrote (2 Corinthians 5:21) “For He made Him who knew no sin . . . .” meaning, for Paul, Jesus never broke a Mosaic commandment, but that also means Jesus never broke a sin of commission OR omission. (Clearly!)

So, did God tell Noah and Abraham they were to act justly, show mercy, and walk humbly? Or did He tell them to love Him and their neighbors?

Blessings.
The #1 and only reason why they were deemed "righteous" by God is because they BELIEVED God's Word and acted upon it.
 
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Many miss the following, simply because they do not study The Old Testament Books as thoroughly as they do The New Testament Books.

God first gave The Gospel of Jesus Christ to and through Abraham. Apostle Paul refers to this in Romans 4 and Galatians 3, that The Gospel was preached to Abraham.

Abraham believed God, and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. Apostle Paul likewise it is the same with all those of Faith, that righteousness is accounted by Faith on God's Promise, The Gospel.

Melchizedek, which Hebrews 7 reveals was Lord Jesus Christ in Old Testament times, met Abraham and offered him "bread and wine", sacraments of The New Covenant. Hebrews 7 even goes into the matter of Melchizedek blessing Abraham, even before there was a Levitical priesthood.

Many of our Sunday School teachers have misled us, because pointers to The Gospel of Jesus Christ exist in just about every Book of The Bible, starting with the end of Genesis 3. King David was given to prophesy about Christ's crucifixion about a 1,000 years before it happened (see Psalms 22). Isaiah was given to prophesy about Christ's death also (see Isaiah 53). There are also many OT prophetic references to Christ's future coming, gathering of the saints, and His future reign.

To discover much of this, it's like the Bible student has to go through the whole New Testament study first, and then go and backtrack in The Old Testament in-depth, instead of just jumping through it with short topic history like in youth Sunday School.

Not only do the firstborn of the children of Israel have a literal birthright they inherit from their flesh father, but our Heavenly Father Himself has a Birthright that He gave through His chosen elect. Per Old Testament history, that Birthright from GOD Himself begins with Abraham. Thus it's important to notice anytime God gives a blessing or promise through the Old Testament Patriarchs, because often it is pointing to His Birthright.

An Example:
1. To Abraham, God promised that he would be the father of a seed as many as the sands of the sea and stars of the sky. He also promised Abraham that he would rule over the gates of his enemies (great military strength). God also included blessings of inheritance of the land. Apostle Paul said The Gospel was preached to Abraham.

2. Then to Abraham's son Isaac, many of those same Blessings from God are given.

3. With Jacob, he is given the new name ISRAEL to represent the 'overcomers', i.e., the believers of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The seed blessing given again, plenty of corn and wine (i.e., best land resources), etc.

4. Then with Jacob's son Joseph, he was blessed while separated in the land of Egypt, and was exalted to second ruler. He had two sons while there, Manasseh the elder, and Ephraim the younger. 1 Chronicles 5 reveals God's Birthright finally wound upon Ephraim and Manasseh. But Judah would receive the royal sceptre of kingline. With Ephraim, that is where God's Birthright stopped, and is still today with the tribe of Ephraim, the head tribe and largest one over the ten northern tribes that were scattered out of the holy land first, and never to return as a majority, even to this day. Thus they are called the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

5. God then reveals prophecy of what He would do to Ephraim and the ten tribed "house of Israel". That He would scatter then to new lands, and there give them the full weight of their Baal idol worship they forget Him for. But then He would give them a door of hope, and a new covenant in new lands, and no longer called them, 'no My people' (Lo-Ami), but instead Ami, meaning 'My people', and others with them would also be called the sons of the living GOD. (see Book of Hosea).

6. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 would quote from the Book of Hosea to Gentile Roman believers on Jesus Christ, referring to them also as the sons of the living GOD reference in Hosea along with the ten tribe "house of Israel".

Much is there in the Old Testament prophets about The Gospel, and it's a simple matter of taking the time to go thought it and recognize those things Christ and His Apostles taught pulling from it. Even Apostle Peter and Jude revealed that Enoch, the 7th from the man Adam, knew about Jesus Christ and His future 2nd coming (see Jude 14).
them, 'no My people' (Lo-Ami), but instead Ami, meaning 'My people',
this applies to the Gentiles who come to MESSIAH

 
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Something that we inherit is a gift, so while we do not earn the promise as the result of our obedience to God's law, that does not mean that the content of what is promised is not in regard to what will happen if we are doers of God's law.

Do you feel the above verse contradicted your stance somehow?

There are these in respects to Abraham

Romans 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision?
Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
 

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this applies to the Gentiles who come to MESSIAH

I believe that is what Davy means when he wrote #5 and #6

5. God then reveals prophecy of what He would do to Ephraim and the ten tribed "house of Israel". That He would scatter then to new lands, and there give them the full weight of their Baal idol worship they forget Him for. But then He would give them a door of hope, and a new covenant in new lands, and no longer called them, 'no My people' (Lo-Ami), but instead Ami, meaning 'My people', and others with them would also be called the sons of the living GOD. (see Book of Hosea).

6. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 would quote from the Book of Hosea to Gentile Roman believers on Jesus Christ, referring to them also as the sons of the living GOD reference in Hosea along with the ten tribe "house of Israel".
 

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I believe that is what Davy means when he wrote #5 and #6

5. God then reveals prophecy of what He would do to Ephraim and the ten tribed "house of Israel". That He would scatter then to new lands, and there give them the full weight of their Baal idol worship they forget Him for. But then He would give them a door of hope, and a new covenant in new lands, and no longer called them, 'no My people' (Lo-Ami), but instead Ami, meaning 'My people', and others with them would also be called the sons of the living GOD. (see Book of Hosea).

6. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 would quote from the Book of Hosea to Gentile Roman believers on Jesus Christ, referring to them also as the sons of the living GOD reference in Hosea along with the ten tribe "house of Israel".
@Davy in his point #5 is only to Jews

Notice that Davy does not includes Gentiles as the true prophetic meaning of "not my people" in point #5

Davy clearly states correctly that the Apostle Paul quotes Hosea when speaking of Gentiles in Christ

The FATHER only categorizes two groups = Jew and Gentile

TODAY = The FATHER only accepts those whom HE calls unto the LORD Jesus Christ = GOSPEL

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

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@Davy in his point #5 is only to Jews

Notice that Davy does not includes Gentiles as the true prophetic meaning of "not my people" in point #5

Davy clearly states correctly that the Apostle Paul quotes Hosea when speaking of Gentiles in Christ

The FATHER only categorizes two groups = Jew and Gentile

TODAY = The FATHER only accepts those whom HE calls unto the LORD Jesus Christ = GOSPEL

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I am missing the problem or just not catching what you are in his post, maybe he will clarify.