Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy

[MatthewG]

I just explained to you how I see that scripture, my guy.

If you dont care. Thats fine. I love the bible, its helpful in learning the doctrines of Christ, and eventually you can move on from them if God so permits.


All of its from Matthew Mark Luke John and Acts primiarly deals with Israel... and their doings. And you see through the rest of it what the people were waiting and hoping for.


So to just neglect them...

 

[MatthewG]

I just explained to you how I see that scripture, my guy.

If you dont care. Thats fine. I love the bible, its helpful in learning the doctrines of Christ, and eventually you can move on from them if God so permits.


All of its from Matthew Mark Luke John and Acts primiarly deals with Israel... and their doings. And you see through the rest of it what the people were waiting and hoping for.

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I cant explain every scripture but I know how to properly look at it. Hopefully by the Spirit of the resurrected Lord Yeshua, helping me see rightly.

 

[shepherdsword]

I just explained to you how I see that scripture, my guy.

How do you see this?

1 Co 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, n a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Th 4:16-18
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[MatthewG]

Israel becoming a nation means nothing....

Im glad people over in Israel exist - yadda yadda yadda.


People are misguided because they listen to their pastor at the pulpit or some youtube person on youtube and they just aren't studying they just saying stuff for views...

Sure they might be a believer all fine and great but be careful who you listen to for sure you can consider information but you need to be able to check it out for yourself

 

[MatthewG]

I see those as simply not written concerning your life.


Who is the letter written to?

Are there spiritual applications people can glean from the text. Absolutely but not everything is directly about you.

 

[shepherdsword]

I see those as simply not written concerning your life.


Who is the letter written to?

Are there spiritual applications people can glean from the text. Absolutely but not everything is directly about you.

The letter to the Corinth was written to all:

1 Co 1:2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

so, it light of that how do you see this?

1 Co 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, n a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

You see, when Jesus actually returns that is what will happen.

 

[MatthewG]

You can say that but that doesn't make it true.

 

[HealthyShape]

I highlighted Persia because of Iran's conflict with Israel stands out in the news.

Ethiopia, although currently not in conflict with Israel, will be part of the Gog/Magog coalition when that attack on Israel takes place.

Exactly my point, actually. You highlighted what makes sense to you today, but the whole text (not just a part of it) does not correspond to the situation today and therefore to your view.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe all people die and are judged and given their resurrected bodies once we leave earth.



There aint no waiting - we are spiritually brought to newness of life when we believe in faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Yeshua Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

now growing and maturing in understanding and walking in the spirit of the resurrected Lord yesuha and being and being pruned and chastened by Yahavah.


That is all on you and your self will to do such things.

 

[Douggg]

Israel becoming a nation means nothing....

Ezekiel 37:16-22 the prophecy about Israel no longer divided into northern and southern kingdoms. May 14, 1948 the fulfillment of the reunification of the nation of Israel into one nation took place.

 

[MatthewG]

Some propehcy never comes true.

CAuse of their disobedience.


Also not all of Israel is Israel according to paul...

There is a heavenly Jerusalem - Heavenly Israel - looked forward to.

Not some material standing.

 

[MatthewG]

Israel being a nation doesn't mean anything at all. Sorry guys.



The people in hebrews are said to be looking forward to promises they never seen - the heavenly kingdom is a promise we are going to which is never seen materially.

 

[MatthewG]

There are many people whom are Christian Nationalist and I guess like... modern futurist ... like they are trying to get america ready for Jesus coming....


Idk, I dont know all the belief systems and stuff out there only poritons.

 

[Behold]

there is no saints today.

You teach too much nonsense.


Listen, Every Child of God is Called to be a Saint.

1 Corin 1:2

Romans 1:7

Eph 1:1

Philippians 1:1

"called"..... means they are "chosen in Christ" to be a Saint, exactly as they are chosen in Christ to be "conformed into the Image of Christ".

= All Christians are Saints.

 

[MatthewG]

That's not true. So... Good luck with that one.

You are quoting letters that are not written to you. So your arguement is moot.

There was saints in that day but no longer today.


Dont care how far back ya go to the earliest so called saint.



No one matches the first century believers.

 

[MatthewG]

The place known as Israel established in 1948, does not have anything to do with the material Israel of the day in age Jesus walked around in.


It's just a mistake on peoples part that say ! AH IM IN ISRAEL.


Well you were never there to see them escape egypt... so... I mean... God promised those people many differen things with blessing and cursings and even an end to them all together.

 

[MatthewG]

So called walk where Jesus walked is probably not true.

See where Jesus layed, probably not true.

See where mother mary was, probably not true.

There are a lot of places they suggest is the places, but I don't believe any of that nonsense.


That is just a subjective approach from myself.

Now the historical findings of places and their existences sure but the whole tourist attaractions are just that - attractions.

 

[Douggg]

Israel being a nation doesn't mean anything at all. Sorry guys.

Why not ? Israel being a nation again, the Jews coming back to the land from places around the world, is part of the Ezekiel 38:8 prophecy for the latter years - end times.

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

What does your bible say for Ezekiel 38:8 ?

 

[MatthewG]

Israel is nothing special today.

Don't get me wrong I love that God used that the nation of Israel that was the 12 tribes



but you can't say you are from that group so you can only come up with the bible says and you would be just consider a literalist.


It's not any weight on my shoulder.