Not In the end times? We've been through worse

[Warrior]

Hello my saved friends, I have been studying history for a while, and im thinking, What if we arent even in the end times? I mean the world went through worse times in the great depression, the holocaust, and more. I bet people thought that was the end times back then. Sure people claim to have been talked to by Jesus, Havent they a long time ago too? Paul was speaking to timothy about the end times.

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[whitestone]

You may be more correct than you think...

The "end times" began 2000 years ago :) (we read about it in the Bible)
It is when the law of sin and death ended and men were liberated into the Life of Jesus Christ! (aka "end times")

When Jesus destroyed the old Law and destroyed sin and death, THAT is the "end times" as spoken of in the Bible.
There is no other "end times" other than this. (except in man's private teachings of "futurism" doctrines, avoid those for sure, they aren't of God)
It is when we enter into "new life" in Christ :)

So no, worldly calamities or wars or famines, like Jesus said, have nothing to do with the "end of the world" idea that the unlearned kept asking Him about.

It only has to do with our receiving Life from the dead after "ending" our old life in baptism into Christ's death. That is it :) No other teaching is of God.
Peace

 

[RichardBurger]

Right before the Israelites were carried off into captivity the Jewish Priests were telling the people that all is well and that God would not let them be carried off. But there were prophets who said that because of the nation of Israel was not listening to God, but listening to those who did not speak for God, they would soon be carried away in slavery.

It shouldn't be a surprise that there are those today who will say all is well and do not believe those prophets talking of impending doom.

 

[Warrior]

You may be more correct than you think...

The "end times" began 2000 years ago :) (we read about it in the Bible)
It is when the law of sin and death ended and men were liberated into the Life of Jesus Christ! (aka "end times")

When Jesus destroyed the old Law and destroyed sin and death, THAT is the "end times" as spoken of in the Bible.
There is no other "end times" other than this. (except in man's private teachings of "futurism" doctrines, avoid those for sure, they aren't of God)
It is when we enter into "new life" in Christ :)

So no, worldly calamities or wars or famines, like Jesus said, have nothing to do with the "end of the world" idea that the unlearned kept asking Him about.

It only has to do with our receiving Life from the dead after "ending" our old life in baptism into Christ's death. That is it :) No other teaching is of God.
Peace

What about the book of revelation? Isnt that the end times?

 

[whitestone]

What about the book of revelation? Isnt that the end times?

There are a lot of ready-made doctrines prefabricated you can select from. If you like the "futuristic" idea, you will have a lot of varied ideas, as many as you can study in a lifetime in fact.

But I just go with the Word... I use a computer search to find all places where words or phrases occur in the Bible. So for your words "end times" I came up with only one hit in the Bible.
(I only go by the Bible to draw my conclusions), so the question is answered as to "when" the "end times" is/were/are is the question. So here is the answer;

(1Pe 1:20) who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of the times for your sake,

It is also interesting to do a word search on "last days" :)

So there is the answer to your question. The "end times" was 2000 years ago! Adjust theology accordingly :)

Peace
Whitestone

 

[Warrior]

There are a lot of ready-made doctrines prefabricated you can select from. If you like the "futuristic" idea, you will have a lot of varied ideas, as many as you can study in a lifetime in fact.

But I just go with the Word... I use a computer search to find all places where words or phrases occur in the Bible. So for your words "end times" I came up with only one hit in the Bible.
(I only go by the Bible to draw my conclusions), so the question is answered as to "when" the "end times" is/were/are is the question. So here is the answer;

(1Pe 1:20) who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of the times for your sake,

It is also interesting to do a word search on "last days" :)

So there is the answer to your question. The "end times" was 2000 years ago! Adjust theology accordingly :)

Peace
Whitestone

Thanks for the wisdom brother I used to worry about this because im 16 years old and want to live a happy life.

 

[whitestone]

Thanks for the wisdom brother I used to worry about this because im 16 years old and want to live a happy life.

Hey brother :) You are welcome and Blessings to you and yours in Christ. Seek Jesus no matter through what, and at the end, wow!
Just make sure it is Him speaking to you. Take no one else's word for anything. Pray for His Holy Spirit. Peace

 

[Strat]

People should worry more about ther own personal end time (death) than whether or not they are living in them or will be live to see them.

 

[Risen Angel]

Hey 'whitestone' - this is a shout out to you.

Your first post in this thread starts with a false foundation. You claim Jesus destroyed the old law. Maybe you should stop using search engines to do phrase searches and actually read the scriptures before making such statements in a Christian forum.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am come not to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matt 5:17)

Jesus speaks clearly and I don't understand how you missed the message here. I assume, perhaps mistakenly, that your handle (nick) is based on the verse in Revelation.

"...To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." (Rev 2:17)

You choose a handle from a book of prophecy and then display your ignorance of prophetic word? You claim that wars and calamities have nothing to do with the nearing of the end, and then state that the unlearned only think such things. I am starting to question YOUR learning. Jesus has some interesting thoughts on the "end of the world;" - would you like to hear them? His disciples certainly were interested when they "...came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" (Matt 24:3)

So he answered, as I will you.

"And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earth quakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." (Matt 24:6-8)

Perhaps you misunderstood, are maybe you are just blinding yourself intentionally. We are WAY past the 'beginning of sorrows.' I wouldn't call the disciples unlearned: they, at least, were hanging out with Jesus in the flesh 24 hours a day 7 days a week - are you?

"Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." (Mark 13:33)

Let me rephrase this statement and rearrange the word structure: you don't know when the time isn't. I leave you with a final farewell until we meet again in the virtual realm.


"Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping." (Mark 13:35-36)

He has called the watchmen, and we are standing with our eyes open.

"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." (Mark 13:37)

 

[mark s]

Hello my saved friends, I have been studying history for a while, and im thinking, What if we arent even in the end times? I mean the world went through worse times in the great depression, the holocaust, and more. I bet people thought that was the end times back then. Sure people claim to have been talked to by Jesus, Havent they a long time ago too? Paul was speaking to timothy about the end times.

Check this out

http://www.experienc...hristian/573767

Hi Warrior,

When the prophecies are being fulfilled we will see it and know.

There are a lot of markers to indicate that this is getting near the time Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24, that Revelation describes, and many many other places.

Remember, prophecies that have been fulfilled according to the Bible's statements (that is, the Bible describes the fulfillment) were fulfilled literally and exactly. But even though we may believe it is close, we don't know how far.

My all time favorite movie, Its a Wonderful Life, has a scene where Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed are dancing on a floor that a jealous beau has turned a key to open - it doubles as a swimming pool cover. "George" and "Mary" are the only ones left in the Charleston Contest, dancing up, dancing back, ever closer to the edge, then dancing away, then closer still . . .

God has ordained works for you to accomplish in your life, I believe we are to focus on that, and leave the times to the Father, as Jesus told His disciples. Prophecy is fascinating to study, and will be fulfilled, and perhaps in our lives. But we will know when it is, and until then, and even then, we have are Father's business to be about.

Love in Christ,
Mark

 

[aspen]

I believe the Kingdom of God has been established already - in our hearts. Now, I am looking forward to Heaven.

 

[[email protected]]

Hello my saved friends, I have been studying history for a while, and im thinking, What if we arent even in the end times? I mean the world went through worse times in the great depression, the holocaust, and more. I bet people thought that was the end times back then. Sure people claim to have been talked to by Jesus, Havent they a long time ago too? Paul was speaking to timothy about the end times.

Check this out

http://www.experienc...hristian/573767

Not the end times?

What planet do you live on?

1945 - The United Nations charter is drawn up in San Francisco. Eventually EVERY nation on the planet will be a member. Fulfillment of the description of the feet of the statue described in Daniel chapter 2. This is the FINAL world empire described therein.

1948 - The British mandate for Palestine ends and Israel becomes a sovereign nation. The dry bones prophecy is fulfilled.

1967 - The Sinai War concludes with the IDF liberating Jerusalem. The prophecy that Jerusalem would be trodden down until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled is completed. Fulfilled means 'at an end' for those who don't know.

2010 - The Great Apostacy prediction, predicted in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, is fulfilled. Europe, the traditional seat of Christianity, is admitted to be completely secularized by the Pope. America is not far behind.

2011 - Pre-alignment of principle alliances for the final assault upon Israel begins.

I can go on and on with quotes from scripture, but I'll just leave you with the greatest prediction of all.......

2 Peter

3. knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,

4. and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the Fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.

5. For this they willfully forget:


and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Rocky Wiley]

This is scripture from your link:
Mat 24:1
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2
And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The Greek word that was translated as 'world' is aἰών or aiōn properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period

Newer bibles now show that scripture using the word age. The age that the disciples were in was 'the age of law'. The destruction of the temple meant to them the end of the age or judgement day.

1Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
John knew it was the end time when he wrote this letter.

Mat 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
Jesus to the Pharisees

The New Testament was written to the early Christians/Church and Jesus repeats over and over again that they were the generation that the end would come in.
As mentioned before, the destruction of the temple would be the sign of the end of the age, and it was destroyed in 70 AD, still in the disciples generation. Jesus never intended to set up his kingdom here, it is a spiritual kingdom.
Joh 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[us2are1]

Hello my saved friends, I have been studying history for a while, and im thinking, What if we arent even in the end times? I mean the world went through worse times in the great depression, the holocaust, and more. I bet people thought that was the end times back then. Sure people claim to have been talked to by Jesus, Havent they a long time ago too? Paul was speaking to timothy about the end times.

Check this out

http://www.experienc...hristian/573767

The sealed prophecies are now open and the witnesses of the Lord are about to start their ministry. Once they remove the water supply from the earth then will begin the great tribulation.


Daniel 9
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

​It is almost time to start the second half of the week which the Lord began. The witnesses of the Lord will remove Gods daily sacrifice to man and start the great tribulation.

Zechariah 11
9 Then I said, "I will not feed you. Let what is dying die, and what is perishing perish. Let those that are left eat each other's flesh."

Isiah 24
1 Behold, the Lord makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be: As with the people, so with the priest; As with the servant, so with his master; As with the maid, so with her mistress; As with the buyer, so with the seller; As with the lender, so with the borrower; As with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The land shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered, For the Lord has spoken this word.
4 The earth mourns and fades away, The world languishes and fades away; The haughty people of the earth languish.
5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, Because they have transgressed the laws, Changed the ordinance, Broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, And few men are left.
7 The new wine fails, the vine languishes, All the merry-hearted sigh.
8 The mirth of the tambourine ceases, The noise of the jubilant ends, The joy of the harp ceases.
9 They shall not drink wine with a song; Strong drink is bitter to those who drink it.
10 The city of confusion is broken down; Every house is shut up, so that none may go in.
11 There is a cry for wine in the streets, All joy is darkened, The mirth of the land is gone.
12 In the city desolation is left, And the gate is stricken with destruction.
13 When it shall be thus in the midst of the land among the people, It shall be like the shaking of an olive tree, Like the gleaning of grapes when the vintage is done.
14 They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing; For the majesty of the Lord They shall cry aloud from the sea.
15 Therefore glorify the Lord in the dawning light, The name of the Lord God of Israel in the coastlands of the sea.
16 From the ends of the earth we have heard songs: "Glory to the righteous!" But I said, "I am ruined, ruined! Woe to me! The treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously, Indeed, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously."
17 Fear and the pit and the snare Are upon you, O inhabitant of the earth.

Mark 13
28 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near--at the doors!

4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.

6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

30 "Therefore prophesy against them all these words, and say to them: 'The Lord will roar from on high, And utter His voice from His holy habitation; He will roar mightily against His fold. He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes, Against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth-- For the Lord has a controversy with the nations; He will plead His case with all flesh. He will give those who are wicked to the sword,' says the Lord."
32 Thus says the Lord of hosts: "Behold, disaster shall go forth From nation to nation, And a great whirlwind shall be raised up From the farthest parts of the earth.
33 And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.
34 "Wail, shepherds, and cry! Roll about in the ashes, You leaders of the flock! For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled; You shall fall like a precious vessel.
35 And the shepherds will have no way to flee, Nor the leaders of the flock to escape.
36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, And a wailing of the leaders to the flock will be heard. For the Lord has plundered their pasture,
37 And the peaceful dwellings are cut down Because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Not the end times?

What planet do you live on?

1945 - The United Nations charter is drawn up in San Francisco. Eventually EVERY nation on the planet will be a member. Fulfillment of the description of the feet of the statue described in Daniel chapter 2. This is the FINAL world empire described therein.

1948 - The British mandate for Palestine ends and Israel becomes a sovereign nation. The dry bones prophecy is fulfilled.

1967 - The Sinai War concludes with the IDF liberating Jerusalem. The prophecy that Jerusalem would be trodden down until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled is completed. Fulfilled means 'at an end' for those who don't know.

2010 - The Great Apostacy prediction, predicted in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, is fulfilled. Europe, the traditional seat of Christianity, is admitted to be completely secularized by the Pope. America is not far behind.

2011 - Pre-alignment of principle alliances for the final assault upon Israel begins.

I can go on and on with quotes from scripture, but I'll just leave you with the greatest prediction of all.......

I feel you are looking at it properly [email protected]. There are certain things which must be in place for end times prophecy to begin.

As well as what you said above , I would add these :::

= A monetary system that can be implemented world wide and have a central control (we are well on the way with debit cards implanted with chips).

= Some semblance of unity in Europe (revived Roman empire) ... we have had the European Union for several years now .... it is being battered financially .... such a crisis is often required for people (countries) to change and adapt (maybe a new monetary arrangement) , maybe a President of Europe (king in the bible) . These current issues tend to paint a confirming picture of end time requirements.

= Worldwide religious strife and the need for harmony between religions (worship the beast etc) .... remember Islam was pretty much "asleep" for years .... and only recently has it become a force to be reckoned with on the world stage .... who would have thought that 20 years ago .... none of us .... including the prophecy scholars.

=But most of all (as you said above) .... keep an eye on Israel .... that is where the end time action will be .... NOT North America or elsewhere.

= The world leader (who is to come) will have religious solutions and financial solutions for the world. But first we must have religious problems and financial problems that have worldwide ramifications .... and we certainly see those things happening today. The time may be short.

 

[Sabitarian]

Arnie,
You are right as we already have a one world government in the UN and a one world church in the Papacy and her daughters, a one world financial system in the 1% who control almost all of the finances of the world. The chip is in Obamacare that will lead to the Believers not being able to buy and sell, as they will never accept the chip. The chip will eventually be used as currency as it will have all of your information embeded in it, plus it will give them all of your vital signs and they will be able to diagnose your condition and prescribe a medication that will correct any condition that you may have including any dislike of the governing body, which is now being called a disease. Now how close are we? humble servant of the Lord God Most High
ps this is all in Revelation.