Well with fifty years experience I can honestly tell you I have always found the most flagrant transgressors of the ten commandments are those who relentlessly state you must obey them. And none of those who do keep stating that seem to understand what obeying those commands truly entails. If they did they would not keep stating that. In truth they live with a watered down version of the law. Personally, I have never had that luxury, nor do I understand how anyone can if applicable law is in their most inward parts, in their hearts and minds
Not Under Law, But Under Grace
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Amen! The flesh and the Law are inseparable (Ro 7:1-6, 8:3; Gal 3:3)--but the flesh is evil--so turning to the Law is turning to the flesh. That's the problem with the Law.
Romans 7:4-5 KJV
4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Yes, it's right there. The Law provokes sin.
Much love!
It is all they can do. Telling others they must obey the Ten Commandments whilst you yourself transgress them shows no love to your neighbour, you simply crush them. The heart of Christ's teaching is being ignored. Never once have I heard anyone who tells others they must obey the TC add to that that they themselves transgress them. Either they only have a shallow understanding of what obeying those commands entails, or, they are wilfully being phariseeical, insisting of others what they know they do not insist of themselves.
I am not certain you do know the difference between the 2 old and new they are the same but in our hearts the phrase ten commandments is still valid but in the heart of the believer, the ones who belong to Christ and obey and do what he says, His words are life and no one else.
there are blessings in the ten commandments and if you follow them properly
Yes!
Romans 8:3 ...the Law, weakened through the flesh...
Galatians 3:3 ...being perfected by the flesh?
Turning to the Law is turning to the flesh, because It is for those who are in the flesh, and shows them their sin so they cry for a deliverer from their slavery--it isn't for those in Christ.
Another:
1 Timothy 1:5-11 KJV
5) Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6) From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Much love!
Why do you not admit you constantly transgress those commands? Do you ever put anything before God in your life? Do you ever erect any graven images in your mind? Do you ever tell any even little fibs about another? Do you ever desire ANYTHING of your neighbours whether material goods or a member of their household? Do you dwell on any impure thought?
Should we go onto Jesus commands in the gospels?
Does God's laws/ways mean so much to you in your heart that you weep at your imperfections concerning them? Or would you just tell others they must obey God's laws?
LIke I said and repeat you do not know me do not presume or accuse me. I do none of the tings you mention.
Yes the commandments of GOD mean everything to me as it should be.
Definitely , yes you should absolutely obey and do all Jesus says! I know it is a path that is difficult but doable but hard in this corrupt and violent world, but do not relent obey God in all things because you love him above all else.
this is a choice that is put before us!
He mentions "do not covet" (Ro 7:7), so, yes, "the big 10".
James 2:8-11 KJV
8) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
The Mosaic Law was a covenant between God and Israel:
Exodus 19:5-8 KJV
5) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7) And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8) And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
All that God has spoken they will do. This is the Law and the Prophets. All of it. Disobey any one thing, and you are guilty as a lawbreaker.
Much love!
God Himself declared very clearly that the covenant is the Ten Commandments. He did not say it was sacrifices, or ceremonies, or the writings of men, but the very words He spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger. Here are the verses:
Exodus 34:28 – “So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.”
Deuteronomy 4:13 – “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.”
Deuteronomy 9:9 – “When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the LORD made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water.”
Deuteronomy 9:11 – “And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
Deuteronomy 9:15 – “So I turned and came down from the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire; and the two tablets of the covenant were in my two hands.”
So the covenant is the Ten Commandments and nothing else, why? Because God said so, not me.
But this covenant is not closed to only one people. Anyone who chooses to join, anyone who wants to be grafted in, is welcome to keep it. The Lord said in Isaiah 56:6-7 that “the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant—even them I will bring to My holy mountain.” And Jesus Himself said in John 10:16, “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.”
Now, about James 2:8-11. James is not teaching a new law, and he is not setting up a trap that makes the covenant impossible. He is showing that the Ten Commandments still stand as one united law. Notice that he names commandments from the Ten: “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not kill.” His point is that we cannot pick and choose which commandments we like and which we will ignore. If we break one, we are guilty, because the same God who gave one command gave them all.
James is repeating what Jesus already taught: “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). Jesus lifted the law even higher by showing it reaches to the heart, not only to outward actions.
So, when James says that if you break one you are guilty of all, he is not saying the law is too heavy or impossible. He is saying the law is one covenant, the same covenant written by God’s own hand. This covenant does not vanish. To love your neighbor as yourself is not a separate “royal law”—it is the spirit and foundation of the Ten Commandments. The first part teaches us to love God, the second part teaches us to love our neighbor. Jesus Himself said: “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 22:40).
As for the claim that “the Mosaic law was the covenant between God and Israel,” that is only partly true. Yes, God first spoke to Israel, but the Ten Commandments are not called “Moses’ covenant” anywhere in the Bible. They are called “the covenant of the LORD.” Moses was only the messenger. And the words of the people, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do” (Exodus 19:8), show their agreement to God’s covenant. That covenant is the Ten Commandments, not the ceremonial law, not the sacrifices, not the traditions of men.
So James is not teaching that it is hopeless. He is warning against hypocrisy—keeping some commandments but breaking others. The covenant is the Ten Commandments, given by God, written in stone, and offered to anyone who wants to enter His kingdom.
amigo de christo
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they pick and choose what parts to beleive .
I seen that too .
in other words they use a grace that allows FOR SIN .
example. rainbow jesus . now that AINT JESUS at all . if one comes
to a jesus and that jesus is okay with their lustful hearts desires
Then boy do i have bad news for that one . IT aint JESUS they came too .
It was the version produced by the dark one to give them their sin and let them beleive they also have salvation .
But that AINT JESUS my friend . who here wants to say JESUS accepts sins and is okay with sins .
I DIDNT THINK so . I mean DOES GOD APPROVE OF SIN
or did HE come to rather save us and set us free FROM SIN . exactly .
Notice free from sin , NOT FREE TO SIN . big difference .
amigo de christo
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FOR this reason was i born , for this cause came i unto the world .
To TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH .
said JESUS , WHO IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE .
What is the fruit of the Spirit . Its in all GOODNESS , RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH
proving what is acceptable to GOD ALL MIGHTY .
AND SIN never has been
rebellion and disobediance never has been ACCEPTABLE WITH HIM .
SO why do i see a love that sure seems to try and say otherwise and a false inclusive gospel at work .
BY those who even claim to KNOW HIM . Because , THEY DONT KNOW HIM , not at all .
We need to bible up again for ourselves and be refreshed in prayer and in that book .
To TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH .
said JESUS , WHO IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE .
What is the fruit of the Spirit . Its in all GOODNESS , RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH
proving what is acceptable to GOD ALL MIGHTY .
AND SIN never has been
rebellion and disobediance never has been ACCEPTABLE WITH HIM .
SO why do i see a love that sure seems to try and say otherwise and a false inclusive gospel at work .
BY those who even claim to KNOW HIM . Because , THEY DONT KNOW HIM , not at all .
We need to bible up again for ourselves and be refreshed in prayer and in that book .
There is a New Covenant, unlike the one made before--writing not on stone but on peoples' hearts and minds, causing people to do His will by putting His Spirit in them.
Maybe this is the connection with Pentecost : traditionally, this was when the "fiery Law" was given at Sinai, but, also, now, when "Spirit and fire" is given, so that we serve not in oldness of the letter but in newness of the spirit (Ro 7).
I agree with this. Jesus said that if we LOVE Him, we will keep His commandments. Our works do not save us, but they are the fruits of a heart that has experienced God's love, and who loves Him back. (We.love Him because He first loved us!) When we love Him, His commandments aren't grievous ... not heavy or hard. Jesus said that His yoke is easy and His burden is light. What are His commandments? .....LOVE. Love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength ...and love your neighbor as yourself. For God so loved the world, He gave.... and love fulfilled the Law ...in Christ.
It isn't our works that make us righteous... it's our faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. We are children of Abraham by faith in Jesus Christ. HE is our righteousness. If we could be good enough, there was no need of a Savior. We are perfect ...as HE is perfect, because His perfect blood covers us. Do we then live after the flesh? God forbid. LOVE compels us to strive for the mark. But if we fall short ...if we stumble along the way, thank God, we have an Advocate with the Father ... JESUS CHRIST, THE RIGHTEOUS!
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