Oaklahoma bans abortion

[TLHKAJ]

Hi Aunty Jane are not contraceptives against Christianity laws, one should not be having promiscuous or lustful sex to begin with, that causes such pregnancies, the problem is men and women aren't involved in Church upbringings and don't teach their kids, and don't adhere to chastity and abstinence, we've become a Godless society parents don't teach their kids and even worse let their daughters do whatever and dress however, that's become the norm nowadays.

I believe abortion should be completely outlawed across the nation, not just certain States.

I agree. People have gotten away from foundational morals and teaching. Scripture tells us to train up a child in the way he should go. That's where society has gotten off the track. There needs to be a revival of training up the children to respect and honor God, and to know that they've been given a gift by God that needs to be valued and protected (their body, and virginity). That's a tall order considering the level of depravity society is entrenched in.

Perhaps, instead of state and government backed abortion clinics, there needs to be more "abortion alternative" clinics ...staffed by counselors and services to help moms make the right choice (for life) however that should look ...giving up for adoption, or finding a family member who would help, or deciding to keep and love their child.

I have been to one of these clinics where they offer abortion grief and regret counseling as well. I attended some of the counseling due to having been forced to abort when I was young. I also brought donations of baby items to help pregnant moms who were choosing life. These clinics need to be more common. It can be an important support system for women and girls who otherwise would have chosen abortion.

 

[Scott Downey]

I knew a woman who insisted abortion was good for the country as no one wants the infants, or few do, and they are then a burden on the government and her taxes. She was convinced they would not be loved and grow up to be criminals, welfare recipients, etc... not having a loving home to learn how to be socially responsible people, they would not become good people. And their would be just too many of them, huge population growth, people using up the land, resources, etc.. like parasites, they would be unproductive except to do bad things. Coming from a women at work years ago.
She may have favored involuntary sterilization too for some kinds of people to stop the cycle.

See really to her and as the WEF has also said, people are just programable animals.

 

[GEN2REV]

I'm not sure that's great news sorry to say. There are horror stories of what girls do in such cases. But it is good news, just not great.

But the availability of abortion isn't the First Cause there.

It's all the smut that is slopped all over the internet, Hollywood, Disney and all other shows and media that convinces young people that daily, casual sex with strangers is just what grown ups do.

THAT'S the reason there are so many abortions and why young women go to desperate measures to get rid of their "mistakes."

Not to mention the Alcohol Lobby, ... but that's for another thread.

ETA: If it were humanly possible to get rid of those two problems, the abortion issue would disappear overnight.

 

[TLHKAJ]

But the availability of abortion isn't the First Cause there.

It's all the smut that is slopped all over the internet, Hollywood, Disney and all other shows and media that convinces young people that daily, casual sex with strangers is just what grown ups do.

THAT'S the reason there are so many abortions and why young women go to desperate measures to get rid of their "mistakes."

Not to mention the Alcohol Lobby, ... but that's for another thread.

ETA: If it were humanly possible to get rid of those two problems, the abortion issue would disappear overnight.

In large part, it would. Yet at the root, abortion is child sacrifice ....literally. And the hidden cult who runs things use it to heap up iniquity and open doors to those entities that promise them technologies, prosperity, wealth, and "godhood." They are the backers of propaganda and smut/programs that gets fed to society.

From a grassroots perspective, parents need to stand in their rightful places and teach their children from the heart. Give them a foundation of love and truth, and a good work ethic. Get the TV out of the home (except maybe when supervised for limited amounts of time). Stop having computers, video games, and electronic devices in every bedroom. Build community with other like-minded families.

I think getting back to basics would solve so many problems. But we have a very sick society. Where do we begin? I think it begins with us... and spreads out to our neighbors.

Edit: I watch a lot of homestead, off grid, and gardening YT channels. One I have watched for a long time now, has taken an old barn that was built by their grandfather and renovated it into a "people barn" where they invite community to come to gatherings, meals, teachings, etc. That is one example of building community. Not everyone has those resources ...a barn or extra building and money to bring it to pass. But it's an example of taking what resources we have and creating something that can bless others.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Its still better than having 3rd trimester abortions for no reason

Whether or not it's better than having 3rd trimester abortions isn't the point at all. It's still completely unacceptable as far as the biblical worldview is concerned, and that's the only one that ultimately matters. Oklahoma had a golden opportunity to truly do the right thing by completely outlawing abortion under any circumstances, and it didn't. This is nothing to celebrate. It's certainly not worthy of praising God over.

 

[Scott Downey]

In large part, it would. Yet at the root, abortion is child sacrifice ....literally. And the hidden cult who runs things use it to heap up iniquity and open doors to those entities that promise them technologies, prosperity, wealth, and "godhood." They are the backers of propaganda and smut/programs that gets fed to society.

From a grassroots perspective, parents need to stand in their rightful places and teach their children from the heart. Give them a foundation of love and truth, and a good work ethic. Get the TV out of the home (except maybe when supervised for limited amounts of time). Stop having computers, video games, and electronic devices in every bedroom. Build community with other like-minded families.

I think getting back to basics would solve so many problems. But we have a very sick society. Where do we begin? I think it begins with us... and spreads out to our neighbors.

Edit: I watch a lot of homestead, off grid, and gardening YT channels. One I have watched for a long time now, has taken an old barn that was built by their grandfather and renovated it into a "people barn" where they invite community to come to gatherings, meals, teachings, etc. That is one example of building community. Not everyone has those resources ...a barn or extra building and money to bring it to pass. But it's an example of taking what resources we have and creating something that can bless others.

Some abortionists eat the aborted children too. I have heard about stories out of China.

I saw a video where a Christian was at an abortion clinic talking to the women not to get the abortion, and the abortionist comes out and I tell you his tongue started flicking and he was talking like a snake hissing. I kid you not. He said he refused to stop aborting infants when the Christian told him to stop doing them, that God would judge him, and the abortionist said he enjoyed doing it and nothing would stop him.

 

[Raccoon1010]

But the availability of abortion isn't the First Cause there.

It's all the smut that is slopped all over the internet, Hollywood, Disney and all other shows and media that convinces young people that daily, casual sex with strangers is just what grown ups do.

THAT'S the reason there are so many abortions and why young women go to desperate measures to get rid of their "mistakes."

Not to mention the Alcohol Lobby, ... but that's for another thread.

ETA: If it were humanly possible to get rid of those two problems, the abortion issue would disappear overnight.

Yes I agree. We live in a free world where people can choose to be Christian or not. And even the Christian youth is being subjected to the sexual and violent promotion from the media empires selling their souls to make money from the population.

I can imagine the horror stories about people who can't get abortions, except I've read some articles on it. And I also watched an article on people that couldn't get pain meds without putting their legs under a jacked up car and letting the car down on their leg. There are many stories of what people do when pushed to extremes. It's terrible.

Still I like the idea of abortions being illegal. I just think that they should be legal in the case of incest or rape or the danger to the mother cases.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Some abortionists eat the aborted children too. I have heard about stories out of China.

I saw a video where a Christian was at an abortion clinic talking to the women not to get the abortion, and the abortionist comes out and I tell you his tongue started flicking and he was talking like a snake hissing. I kid you not. He said he refused to stop aborting infants when the Christian told him to stop doing them, that God would judge him, and the abortionist said he enjoyed doing it and nothing would stop him.

I believe you. I know these things happen.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes I agree. We live in a free world where people can choose to be Christian or not. And even the Christian youth is being subjected to the sexual and violent promotion from the media empires selling their souls to make money from the population.

I can imagine the horror stories about people who can't get abortions, except I've read some articles on it. And I also watched an article on people that couldn't get pain meds without putting their legs under a jacked up car and letting the car down on their leg. There are many stories of what people do when pushed to extremes. It's terrible.

Still I like the idea of abortions being illegal. I just think that they should be legal in the case of incest or rape or the danger to the mother cases.

Why advocate for killing a baby because of the sin of the rapist? I was a victim of incest and multiple rapes, and would never have chosen abortion for myself. And I know others who kept their babies who were the product of incest.

The girl in the video below still weeps for her babies. She even went to great lengths to try to keep her babies from being used in satanic ritual.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Why advocate for killing a baby because of the sin of the rapist? I was a victim of incest and multiple rapes, and would never have chosen abortion for myself. And I know others who kept their babies who were the product of incest.

The girl in the video below still weeps for her babies. She even went to great lengths to try to keep her babies from being used in satanic ritual.

Why don't we leave that up to the individual to choose for themselves. Also I'm not watching your videos. I've watched them before and the content really isn't for a Christian forum. They shouldn't be allowed because they teach about Satanic rituals.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Hi Aunty Jane are not contraceptives against Christianity laws? One should not be having promiscuous or lustful sex to begin with, that causes such pregnancies, the problem is men and women aren't involved in Church upbringings and don't teach their kids, and don't adhere to chastity and abstinence, we've become a Godless society parents don't teach their kids and even worse let their daughters do whatever and dress however, that's become the norm nowadays.

I believe abortion should be completely outlawed across the nation, not just certain States.

Did God legislate for those who were not his own? The answer is NO. Only the nation of Israel had his laws and were under obligation to keep them.

To my way of thinking, the issue here is the protection of children in utero......those whose parents are not Christians. Sexual immorality is not to be practiced by Christ’s disciples.....neither is abortion. So this issue should not affect us.

So, we as Christians have no authority to enforce our standards on those who are not. My comments pertain to the prevention of conception rather than addressing the immoral behaviour of those who do not want to follow Christ’s teachings concerning marriage and divorce, as well as sexual immorality. Those who have no interest in God or his standards have always been in existence, and yet God did not interfere with their choices. All will ultimately answer to God for their lifestyle choices, but it is up to them to make them. Abortion is murder in God’s eyes, and unrepentant murderers will pay for their errors....but God forces no one to obey him....if he did, all transgressors would be immediately struck down....but they live according to their own choices, as we all do. For Christians, we are to be separate from the governance of the country we live in, being “no part of the world” means that we educate, not legislate. We obey the laws of the land but we are not responsible for the laws they make.

There is no rule in the Bible where prevention of conception is even spoken about. God does not want married couples to have more children than they can reasonably support, as this causes more problems for the poverty stricken nations than anything else.
1 Timothy 5:8....
“Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.”

So I am coming from a position where preventing a murder is better than addressing the problem after the fact. We are not talking about Christians here...or we shouldn’t be.

We don’t get to tell other people how to live....we can only educate them and encourage them to make the right choices, not because of possible punishment, but because their hearts impel them out of love for God to live in accord with his standards.

What do you think?

 

[Cristo Rei]

Whether or not it's better than having 3rd trimester abortions isn't the point at all. It's still completely unacceptable as far as the biblical worldview is concerned, and that's the only one that ultimately matters. Oklahoma had a golden opportunity to truly do the right thing by completely outlawing abortion under any circumstances, and it didn't. This is nothing to celebrate. It's certainly not worthy of praising God over.

I suppose you would prefer open abortion then

 

[TLHKAJ]

Why don't we leave that up to the individual to choose for themselves. Also I'm not watching your videos. I've watched them before and the content really isn't for a Christian forum. They shouldn't be allowed because they teach about Satanic rituals.

No, they don't teach about satanic rituals. If you are against knowing what they do, then don't read the scriptures. They plainly speak about rulers and parents passing their children through the fire to molech, and making idols, and following after false gods ...even abominations taking place in the house of God.

2 Kings 21:1-16
[1]Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to reign, and reigned fifty and five years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Hephzibah.
[2]And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, after the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
[3]For he built up again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars for Baal, and made a grove, as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.
[4]And he built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD said, In Jerusalem will I put my name.
[5]And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.
[6]And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
[7]And he set a graven image of the grove that he had made in the house, of which the LORD said to David, and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever:
[8]Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.
[9]But they hearkened not: and Manasseh seduced them to do more evil than did the nations whom the LORD destroyed before the children of Israel.
[10]And the LORD spake by his servants the prophets, saying,
[11]Because Manasseh king of Judah hath done these abominations, and hath done wickedly above all that the Amorites did, which were before him, and hath made Judah also to sin with his idols:
[12]Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.
[13]And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.
[14]And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;
[15]Because they have done that which was evil in my sight, and have provoked me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt, even unto this day.
[16]Moreover Manasseh shed innocent blood very much, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another; beside his sin wherewith he made Judah to sin, in doing that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

 

[Truth7t7]

Signed into law by the governor
Oklahoma governor signs near-total abortion ban into law - CNNPolitics

Scott CNN, Plenty Of Other Conservative Outlets To Advertise For?

 

[Scott Downey]

Scott CNN, Plenty Of Other Conservative Outlets To Advertise For?

it was just a link that had the info that said the bill had become the law. i almost never look at cnn.

 

[JohnPaul]

Did God legislate for those who were not his own? The answer is NO. Only the nation of Israel had his laws and were under obligation to keep them.

To my way of thinking, the issue here is the protection of children in utero......those whose parents are not Christians. Sexual immorality is not to be practiced by Christ’s disciples.....neither is abortion. So this issue should not affect us.

So, we as Christians have no authority to enforce our standards on those who are not. My comments pertain to the prevention of conception rather than addressing the immoral behaviour of those who do not want to follow Christ’s teachings concerning marriage and divorce, as well as sexual immorality. Those who have no interest in God or his standards have always been in existence, and yet God did not interfere with their choices. All will ultimately answer to God for their lifestyle choices, but it is up to them to make them. Abortion is murder in God’s eyes, and unrepentant murderers will pay for their errors....but God forces no one to obey him....if he did, all transgressors would be immediately struck down....but they live according to their own choices, as we all do. For Christians, we are to be separate from the governance of the country we live in, being “no part of the world” means that we educate, not legislate. We obey the laws of the land but we are not responsible for the laws they make.

There is no rule in the Bible where prevention of conception is even spoken about. God does not want married couples to have more children than they can reasonably support, as this causes more problems for the poverty stricken nations than anything else.
1 Timothy 5:8....
“Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.”

So I am coming from a position where preventing a murder is better than addressing the problem after the fact. We are not talking about Christians here...or we shouldn’t be.

We don’t get to tell other people how to live....we can only educate them and encourage them to make the right choices, not because of possible punishment, but because their hearts impel them out of love for God to live in accord with his standards.

What do you think?

I think abortion should be outlawed across all 50 states and it's territories, they may not be Christian or believe as you said, but it's still murder, regardless of what beliefs they have or don't have.

 

[JohnPaul]

it was just a link that had the info that said the bill had become the law. i almost never look at cnn.

I never watch CNN.