Obamacare

[This Vale Of Tears]

Vultures leave more meat on a zebra carcass than congress left on Obamacare. No one is happy with the current law, but it is a start in the right direction.

Chic Tracts are for people who already believe the lies and prejudice printed on the pages - it gives bigots a warm fuzzy feeling that other people share their 'ends justify the means' road to witnessing.

I was actually referring to the gospel Chic tracts but you're right, there are some rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Catholic tracts they publish too. Sometimes hate is well disguised.

 

[Dodo_David]

I was actually referring to the gospel Chic tracts but you're right, there are some rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Catholic tracts they publish too. Sometimes hate is well disguised.

Yeah, anti-Catholicism is as bad as anti-Protestantism. Yep, the latter exists, too.

Now, getting back to the topic of this thread, Obamacare is a political issue. The Bible is silent on the subject.

 

[horsecamp]

no one likes to have charity forced on them . taking money out of their pockets to give to some one else.

and I noticed the senate and some others wants mostly to exempt themselves from this .
President Obama to.. I would feel much better about this if forcing business if the ones who came up with the idea were
part of it..

Personaly I would have felt better if their was no Obama care and a spot on income tax where I could have freely gave to help every one get insurance ..

yet I do hope since it will help some they get it figured out quickly so it does not hurt others..

 

[Levi]

Your taxes already went up to support Obamacare. Didn't you notice?

 

[Dodo_David]

Your taxes already went up to support Obamacare. Didn't you notice?

My insurance rate went up, too.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Yeah, anti-Catholicism is as bad as anti-Protestantism. Yep, the latter exists, too.

Now, getting back to the topic of this thread, Obamacare is a political issue. The Bible is silent on the subject.

No it isn't. The Bible isn't silent on any social issue. This is just like your attempt to say the Bible doesn't speak against birth control and it does. The Bible isn't a charter of laws that a lawyer sifts through to look for loopholes and what his client can get away with, it's a direct letter from God so that those who love God can come to understand what he values and what he wants of us. Anyone who knows God doesn't think he approves of our "family planning", neatly manicuring out of existence the children he wants to bring into the world but are prevented by our use of chemicals and devices.

And anyone who knows God would understand his viewpoint on Obamacare. It isn't possible that the Almighty could look upon forcing religious institutions to distribute contraceptives or pay for abortions favorably. Nor does Jesus, who came to set the captives free, long for ever more oppressive government stealing freedom and stifling the human spirit. God despises Congress exempting itself from a horrible law it pushes on the rest of us, particularly because the cost would be so high that they'd rather the rest of us deal with it and not them. It's also difficult to posit God as supporting forcing people to buy a product on the market in direct violation of the Constitution, regardless of what Turncoat Roberts said. It's all in there. The purpose of reading the Bible is to know the Author of it and it's not difficult to anticipate God's loathing for this demonic law.

 

[day]

I like the idea of state exchanges and being able to compare available policies on one site. It also helps to be able to check other states to see what companies are there if you have family members away to college or work requires you to cross state lines. You can pick a plan available in both locations and that way never be out of the reduced price service area.

I like the fact that it is not a single payer system. It still maintains market competition between companies, and the subsidies are to individuals rather than to already rich insurance companies.

I appreciate that it is no longer legal to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. I have had insurance agents hang up on me when I mentioned having had a benign tumor 30 years ago. Without this aspect of Obamacare I have no hope of any insurance until I am old enough for Medicare.

I am not familiar with other aspects of the law but I know there is much opposition from Business and the Political Right. Obamacare only addresses payment and access. There is still the issue of cost that no one has bothered to address.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I like the idea of state exchanges and being able to compare available policies on one site. It also helps to be able to check other states to see what companies are there if you have family members away to college or work requires you to cross state lines. You can pick a plan available in both locations and that way never be out of the reduced price service area.

I like the fact that it is not a single payer system. It still maintains market competition between companies, and the subsidies are to individuals rather than to already rich insurance companies.

I appreciate that it is no longer legal to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. I have had insurance agents hang up on me when I mentioned having had a benign tumor 30 years ago. Without this aspect of Obamacare I have no hope of any insurance until I am old enough for Medicare.

I am not familiar with other aspects of the law but I know there is much opposition from Business and the Political Right. Obamacare only addresses payment and access. There is still the issue of cost that no one has bothered to address.

It seems you like Obamacare because it forces others to pay for your medical treatment. I know you have it hard, and I'm not heartless in grieving how people suffer from chronic and life threatening illnesses, but nothing justifies socialized medicine where healthy people are forced to pay for unhealthy people, particularly because many people are healthy because they work at it and many people are sick because the neglected themselves. Most people aren't victims of a cruel turn of fate like you are with tumors you did nothing to deserve.

You've also misunderstood the purpose of Obamacare and even amidst the news of millions of Americans losing their health insurance, you fail to grasp the larger picture that Obamacare was designed to demolish the private sector to pave the way for a completely socialized system. You've already discovered that Obama and the Democrats lied about being able to keep your plan and your doctor if you like it, but still hold on to other promises about Obamacare as if the lies were an anomaly instead of representative of an entire structure of lies the law was built upon. It's no wonder Nancy Pelosi said, "We'll have to pass the law so you can find out what's in it." She and the rest of the Left depend on trusting people like you believe their maskirovka.

Obamacare gained popularity because many people wanted something free, or at least subsidized by others. I believe that to be impious and a direct violation of God's commandment that we aren't to covet what belongs to others. The Democrat Party has their entire power base on the sin of coveteousness, sowing class envy, passing punishing taxes, and coming up with even more programs to redistribute wealth. If you have a cell phone bill, you'll notice a deduction on your bill so that others can get their free "Obamaphone" paid for. And it never ends because they'll always seize upon inequities and reason for them to level the playing field....and that's impossible.

Being a man of godly character means rejecting the promises of politicians who insist you have "rights" that others are obligated to pay for. It means trusting in God, taking responsibility for your own needs, and not thinking you are entitled to the possessions of others. Covetousness is such an often practiced sin these days that people don't even see it for what it is. Christians should know better.

Oh, and do you understand what "insurance" is? If it covers pre-existing conditions then it's not insurance.

 

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It's by design. The insurance industry had to be razed before single payer could be implemented. Satan is very methodical in his strategy. And yes, I just attributed Obamacare to Satan.

The Affordable Healthcare Act (even Obama isn't referring to it as Obamacare since the system crashed), is based upon a twitchy web site and massive computer support. Yet you seem to think that satan is behind it all.

Does the reader know that one of the greatest minds in Christian theology Blaise Pascal, was also the inventor of the mathematical basis for modern computer systems? Does the reader know that the first mechanical automatic tabulating machines were commissioned by the US government to track the US census?

Does the reader remember that God punished King David for ordering a census of his kingdom? And David's people only had fingers and toes to count on - the first digital computer (pun intended).

God was extremely unhappy with King David when he took his census. I wonder if God was unhappy with America for taking its own census, especially when it led directly to the automatic computer machines that now fill the world. Everything from warfare to pornography is transmitted via these devices.

A connection, however electronically flimsy, can be attributed from God's rejection of census methods to the modern computer to the Affordable Healthcare Act. I suppose satan would not be exactly opposed to the idea if not actually gleeful about it. Since the garden of Eden, Genesis 3, mankind has been an ally of satan.

The question then arises as to whether POTUS Obama has been acting as an agent of the enemy of the Most High. I think that since millions of innocent people have been robbed of the decent AFFORDABLE health care they were promised and since the whole thing has proven to be a lie I suppose VALE OF TEARS has a good case to present.

Indeed the father of lies and robbery does seem to have left his finger smudges all over the new government insurance system. But that's DC for you - full of the devil in more ways than one.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[day]

It seems you like Obamacare because it forces others to pay for your medical treatment.

Obamacare gained popularity because many people wanted something free, or at least subsidized by others. I believe that to be impious and a direct violation of God's commandment that we aren't to covet what belongs to others.

Oh, and do you understand what "insurance" is? If it covers pre-existing conditions then it's not insurance.

I have made one visit to a doctor in the last 20+ years, I am hardly one to soak up others money. A pre-existing condition is any diagnosis of a potentially chronic disease from your past even if it does not affect your life today. It does not mean you need or are receiving any current treatment.

Insurance results when a group of people pool resources to spread expenses over the whole group. People place claims because of need, not because they covet other members money.

Justifying greed by accusing the poor of covetness might fool people, but it will not fool God. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, even though Lazarus wanted something from the rich man, it did not keep Lazarus from heaven or the rich man out of hell for failing to share with someone in need.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I have made one visit to a doctor in the last 20+ years, I am hardly one to soak up others money. A pre-existing condition is any diagnosis of a potentially chronic disease from your past even if it does not affect your life today. It does not mean you need or are receiving any current treatment.

Insurance results when a group of people pool resources to spread expenses over the whole group. People place claims because of need, not because they covet other members money.

Justifying greed by accusing the poor of covetness might fool people, but it will not fool God. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, even though Lazarus wanted something from the rich man, it did not keep Lazarus from heaven or the rich man out of hell for failing to share with someone in need.

You're going to have a hard time making a Biblical case that social institutions to redistribute wealth are implied by the gospels. The Left, which you are clearly apart of, has succeeded in perverting the definition of greed so it doesn't apply where it should. Greed isn't wanting to keep what you earn, greed is wanting to keep what others earn. By your statement in seems you're thoroughly convinced that the people coveting the possessions of others and using political extortion to acquire it are the pious poor. Using this method of interpreting God's commandments in scripture, I guess we could also make a case for bestiality, fornication, and murder being ok since you've already justified theft and covetousness.

Moreover, you miss the point of the Parable of the Rich Man, which is no surprise given your skewed exegetical method. The lesson wasn't to set up a welfare state but rather to reinforce the notion concomitant throughout scripture that we will give individual account to God for our treatment and neglect of the poor around us, especially those right at our gate. The Left, which perverts all truth, has inserted government to supplant God in this arrangement. But unlike God, government purloins people's earnings instead of giving them a choice what to do with their own wealth. Like many Leftists, you seem under the delusion that just because somebody neglects the poor, they're going to "get away" with it. The acceptable shame associated with stinginess you've perverted to empower government as an arbiter of justice in lieu of God's divine judgment.

You've also mischaracterized the insurance industry, again no surprise. Though risk is spread among a pool of people, there are different pools based on actuary tables. A person like myself who never uses birth control doesn't want to pay for somebody else who does. A young, healthy person doesn't want to be saddled with the health care costs of aging people, especially people whose ailments are associated with a lifestyle of neglect and vice. A more correct rendering of insurance would be the example of teenage drivers paying a much higher car insurance cost than older, experienced drivers because of the higher incident of accidents in their age group. If we were to pool car insurance like Obamacare, I would be paying much higher premiums even though I'm older, experienced, and have a clean driving record for the last 18 years because I would have to pay for the recklessness of young drivers.

It's clear that your thinking on this entire issue has been warped. But that's what the Left does, warps the truth.