Old Testament Calendar Reconciliation

[GerhardEbersoehn]

that I asked you to produce? The tables are lovely to look at but fails to meet my request.

I will wait for your posts with the scriptures quoted that sets out the steps that are to be followed to determine when the "new year" was to start.

CGE replies to Jay Ross:

Where are the Scriptures? In YOUR Bible, in the same locations they are in my Bible.

 

[Jay Ross]

CGE replies to Jay Ross:

Where are the Scriptures? In YOUR Bible, in the same locations they are in my Bible.

Childish rebuttal.

From what you are posting in response to my request for you to provide the scriptural basis for determining when the start of a new year begins and whether or not a thirteenth year is added to that year to keep the Jewish calendar in line with the solar cycle of the sun has not been provided by you.

You are claiming that nowhere in the scriptures does it tell us that a thirteenth month is required to be added when the two required signs for the new year do not confirm that a new year has actually started.

I had shown that Daniel had added an extra month in Daniel 12 such that in the future there would be a 43-month period associated with the usual three and a half years of trouble at that time.

So far you have not proven that my understanding of the Jewish Calander having a number of thirteenth months added over a 19-year cycle so that their calendar keeps in step with the Sun's solar pattern.

I will wait for your enlightening post on this matter.

 

[Bob]

Childish rebuttal.

From what you are posting in response to my request for you to provide the scriptural basis for determining when the start of a new year begins and whether or not a thirteenth year is added to that year to keep the Jewish calendar in line with the solar cycle of the sun has not been provided by you.

You are claiming that nowhere in the scriptures does it tell us that a thirteenth month is required to be added when the two required signs for the new year do not confirm that a new year has actually started.

I had shown that Daniel had added an extra month in Daniel 12 such that in the future there would be a 43-month period associated with the usual three and a half years of trouble at that time.

So far you have not proven that my understanding of the Jewish Calander having a number of thirteenth months added over a 19-year cycle so that their calendar keeps in step with the Sun's solar pattern.

I will wait for your enlightening post on this matter.

By accident. I have been following this arcane (?) disagreement. How is its resolution important to Christians (or Jews) today?

Blessings.

 

[Jay Ross]

By accident. I have been following this arcane (?) disagreement. How is its resolution important to Christians (or Jews) today?

Blessings.

From my perspective, it debunks the 360-day prophetic year concept which has added confusion to how we date certain activities.

When we come to a long prophetic time span for the fulfilment of certain prophecies, I tend to treat the years given as being Solar Years and not "prophetic years.," as this then clears up.

The duration of a season is 1,000 solar years. The duration of an Age/Generation/Day of the Lord is 1,024 Solar years.

Such discussion on the year with respect to the year of Adam's creation as to when Christ was born is interesting to listen to.

Perhaps you could add your two pennies worth to that particular discussion if it is started.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Childish rebuttal.

From what you are posting in response to my request for you to provide the scriptural basis for determining when the start of a new year begins and whether or not a thirteenth year is added to that year to keep the Jewish calendar in line with the solar cycle of the sun has not been provided by you.

You indisputably have NOT read my post. Naughty scholar boy! In Post #17, e.g., you received Leviticus 23 and Exodus 12; Compare But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My Sabbaths; for this / they, is /are sign throughout your generations... years.” Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12, 19-21... NOT months---NO 13th month whatsoever!

You are claiming that nowhere in the scriptures does it tell us that a thirteenth month is required to be added when the two required signs for the new year do not confirm that a new year has actually started.

CGE answers,
Sure, the Scriptures tell us that there are two required signs FOR THE SOLAR YEAR OF 365+n parts of 24 hours days - NOT for "the First Month FOR YOU, Israel!"
The new year "for you", actually starts "the first day of the Seventh Month THE SABBATH DAY!"
Scripture - confirmed!
That's it. Finis

I had shown that Daniel had added an extra month in Daniel 12 such that in the future there would be a 43-month period associated with the usual three and a half years of trouble at that time.

You claim you <had shown>... you, yes; NOT Daniel.

So far you have not proven that my understanding of the Jewish Calander having a number of thirteenth months added over a 19-year cycle so that their calendar keeps in step with the Sun's solar pattern.

Yes. No, I have not. That's true... I have proven nothing so far.

I will wait for your enlightening post on this matter.

I'll call it a day... year --- tongue in the cheek proven fact!

 

[Jay Ross]

Dear Jay Ross, instead of, or before going back to yourself with this URL, considering you are at present debating another, me CGE, please first go back to the Scripture Leviticus 23:23 (I think it is) where it IMPLIES <how the start of new year occurred>: "The first day in the Seventh Month SHALL BE SABBATH!" The <directive/criteria> was not <by observation [Sic.] a third month of 30 days added>, correct. The only criterium or directive was : "The first day in the Seventh Month SHALL BE SABBATH!"

And don't miss what Scripture says right before, in verses 22f and 9f, where it tells of the Passover and Harvest feasts, where it tells <how the start of new year occurred> just like in Exodus, where it tells, "This - Abib - is the first month for you ... the fourteenth day of the First Month ye shall KILL the passover!" The <directive/criteria> in Leviticus was not <by observation [Sic.] a third month of 30 days added>, correct. The only criterium or directive in Leviticus was : "The first day in the Seventh Month SHALL BE SABBATH!" starting the last halve of EVERY year... always... no exception... "in times past"---WHEREAS EVERY year... always... no exception the first halve of the year was 1 Abib the 14th day before the fourteenth day of the solar-lunar year... EVER... always... no exception... "in times past".

The seeming anomaly is solved in Scripture with Scripture, adding nothing to the Word of God, leaving out nothing in the Word of God, but with leaving out all the work/works of man, which was to DATE days and months and seasons and years, all, the work/works of God. When days come and days go to the ordering of God's creation which man had/has no idea how to number them, then... "in times past", simply:- O man, do not number or date them!... "in times past".

But "in these last days God through the Son is speaking", by his apostle Paul in Scripture, Galatians 4, telling man, "10You superstitiously by observation calculate / date days, months, seasons, years ... 21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?... 5:4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

All that verse Lev 23:24 tells us is that the first day of the seventh month shall be a Sabbath unto you. That Sabbath can be on any day of the week, and the seventh day of the week shall also be a Sabbath that contains the first day of the seventh month.

Your reading and understanding of this verse is flawed and has nothing to do with whether or not a thirteenth month is required to be added for that year. On the Thursday that Christ was crucified, it was followed by the Passover which was also treated as a Sabbath Day. Then the Saturday that followed the Passover was also a Sabbath Day. Your post #17 in this thread was illogical in every sense of that word. Post #17 in this thread has not proved anything at all.

 

[Jay Ross]

you indisputably have NOT read my post. Naughty scholar boy! In Post #17, e.g., you received Leviticus 23 and Exodus 12; Compare But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My Sabbaths; for this / they, is /are sign throughout your generations... years.” Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12, 19-21... NOT months---NO 13th month whatsoever!

First off, I am not the naughty boy that you have implied above.

Now with respect to Exodus 31:12-17, this is how I understand that passage reads: -

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Exodus 31:12-17: - The Sabbath Law​

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12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your ages, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it will die the second death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall die the second death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their ages as a covenant for a prolonged period, {which ends at the vanishing point in time}. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for all time; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.'"​

The Jewish Calendar was kept in line with the solar year for the sun by the addition of an additional 30-day month to that year a number of times over a repeatable 19-year cycle.

You have a lot to still learn.

 

[David in NJ]

This is my, FULL, Sabbath-doctrine, to which I shall hold, so help my God, for ever in the face of all adversity and hate toward God and his, “the Sabbath of the LORD God” : “My Holy Day”, 'The Lord's Day' by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead “In the Sabbath Day's fullness”. “And God the Seventh Day from ALL HIS WORKS, RESTED.”

HalleluYAH - another saint SEES

Why did the Church of Christ ever become the mother of harlots?

Simple = The Harlot was never the "Church of Christ"

Mystery Babylon is Her name = always has been!

CHRIST = HIMSELF = Is God's Sabbath REST for man = CHRIST's True Church is not made by men's hands/religion.
Nor is the True Body of Christ recognized in the man-made governance of christendom.

The Resurrection of MESSIAH is the Evidence that HE committed no sin and therefore GOD has found REST for man in MESSIAH.

The priesthood under Levi with Moses as the mediator has passed away for the Eternal Melchizedek

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

First off, I am not the naughty boy that you have implied above.

Now with respect to Exodus 31:12-17, this is how I understand that passage reads: -

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Exodus 31:12-17: - The Sabbath Law​

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12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your ages, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it will die the second death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall die the second death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their ages as a covenant for a prolonged period, {which ends at the vanishing point in time}. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for all time; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.'"​

The Jewish Calendar was kept in line with the solar year for the sun by the addition of an additional 30-day month to that year on a 19 year cycle.

You have a lot to still learn.

My whole life I HAD TO learn and surely MUST still learn... be taught, more, about "how the Christ according to the Scriptures HAD TO, SUFFER---PASCHA"... had to "according to the Scriptures suffer and be crucified"... and be... "KILLED"... "KILL the Passover the first day Abib 14"... "and according to the Scriptures"... "the first day ULB Abib 15"... be "buried"... "and THE THIRD DAY"... "DARKNESS"... "according to the Scriptures ROSE"... "THE THIRD HE SAID, I RISE!"

Just Scripture, just saying...

 

[David in NJ]

My whole life I HAD TO learn and surely MUST still learn... be taught, more, about "how the Christ according to the Scriptures HAD TO, SUFFER---PASCHA"... had to "according to the Scriptures" suffer and be crucified and... be "KILLED"... "the first day Abib 14"... "and according to the Scriptures"... "was buried"... "the first day ULB Abib 15"... "and according to the Scriptures THE THIRD DAY"... "DARKNESS"... "RISE"... "THE THIRD HE SAID, I RISE!"

Just Scripture, just saying...

Question: Why the 3rd Day???

 

[amigo de christo]

Question: Why the 3rd Day???

Bearing fruit after its kind .

 

[amigo de christo]

Question: Why the 3rd Day???

TO the trenches one and to the trenches all .

 

[Jay Ross]

My whole life I HAD TO learn and surely MUST still learn... be taught, more, about "how the Christ according to the Scriptures HAD TO, SUFFER---PASCHA"... had to "according to the Scriptures suffer and be crucified"... and be... "KILLED"... "KILL the Passover the first day Abib 14"... "and according to the Scriptures"... "the first day ULB Abib 15"... be "buried"... "and THE THIRD DAY"... "DARKNESS"... "according to the Scriptures ROSE"... "THE THIRD HE SAID, I RISE!"

Just Scripture, just saying...

You still are not responding with any evidence that I am wrong in my understanding of how the Jewish calendar works. You referenced some scriptures which were off topic with respect to the Old Testament Reconciliation, and I presented my understanding of how Exodus 31:12-17 should be understood/paraphrased in an English translation.

Now you have changed where the goal posts are because of your claim that you have "studied well" over a number of years.

Sorry but you are not the only one who has studied scripture and come to some "conclusions" that seem true to you/them. There are many on this forum who are making the same claims as you with respect to their "understanding(s)."

Since you do not provide a stable platform on which any discussion can be conducted with you and since you have chosen to belittle others, you can continue, without me responding to your posts at the moment until you change your style of interacting.

Goodbye

 

[amigo de christo]

Question: Why the 3rd Day???

on those feet my friend . you have been missed .

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You still are not responding with any evidence that I am wrong in my understanding of how the Jewish calendar works.

CGE:
Think and believe what you will, I don't think nor do I believe <the Jewish calendar>. I believe the Bible's calendar.

You referenced some scriptures which were off topic with respect to the Old Testament Reconciliation, and I presented my understanding of how Exodus 31:12-17 should be understood/paraphrased in an English translation. Now you have changed where the goal posts are because of your claim that you have "studied well" over a number of years.

Sorry but you are not the only one who has studied scripture and come to some "conclusions" that seem true to you/them. There are many on this forum who are making the same claims as you with respect to their "understanding(s)."

Since you do not provide a stable platform on which any discussion can be conducted with you and since you have chosen to belittle others, you can continue, without me responding to your posts at the moment until you change your style of interacting.

Goodbye

I love it, I love it, I just love this!
Thanks old man, for your billion years old ossified opinions. I really enjoyed ... YOU!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

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