Once Saved Always Saved (Osas) Is It Supported By God's Holy Word? Pt. 1

[S.T. Ranger]

Eccl answered this question with his last post. So there is no need for me to elaborate.

There is a need. It will be addressed.

We are suppose to lead men to Christ, believing in His sacrifice, resurrection, and keeping of His commandments. What is contradicting is telling someone they can receive salvation by just simply believing in Jesus, without keeping His law! That will get an individual sent to the lake of fire. Which is contrary to sound doctrine.

If they truly believe, to the saving of the soul, then they have responded to God in faith, and they will never be blotted from the book of life.

Galatians 3: [sup]24[/sup]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [sup]25[/sup]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.( Again you have failed to realize Christ was speaking of the sacrificial law! ) The law that was our school master, because it taught that when someone sin, something had to die. vs 25 say's after faith is come ( faith in what, Christ sacrifice!)we are no longer under the sacrificial law. Hopefully that is clear.

Hopefully that is clear?

Not only does the context of Galatians NOT make the law "the sacrificial law," it is clear that it speaks of the very teaching that is being espoused in this thread.

Galatians 3
[sup]1[/sup]O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

[sup]2[/sup]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

[sup]3[/sup]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Here we see the new birth referenced, which, as Jesus made clear, was necessary for one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Receiving the Spirit of God is part of the new birth, and without Him, one is not saved.

Paul asks, "Who bewitched you, that you would think that you received the Spirit by the law?"


Or that you would be foolish enough to think that, after having received the Spirit by obedience to the truth, that Jesus died for you, you are now made perfect by the flesh...and here you can insert anything you like: keeping the law (whether sacrificial, ceremonial, or moral), is what is in view here, and even more specifically, the law of God as given to Israel. This is made more clear as you continue reading.

[sup]6[/sup]Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

[sup]7[/sup]Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

[sup]8[/sup]And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


Well, what do you know? Seems Abraham was saved just by believing. By his faith, which was due to his belief, he was declared righteous. Now if you examine Abraham's life, he was not exactly flawless.

[sup]9[/sup]So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

And that corresponds to every other passage in scripture which teaches that salvation is through faith.

[sup]10[/sup]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
There is no way that this can be called the "sacrificial law." It speaks of those who seek to be justified, righteous, through the works of the law.

If you compare this with Paul's statement to these, you will see, the issue is that they were seeking to "perfect" themselves through the works of the law.

And they will, if they are seeking righteousness through their works, still be under the curse of the law, the penalty that the law unfailingly brings.

I am not saying that the law is anything other than just, holy, and righteous...what I am saying is that man is unable to keep it. Apart from the Spirit of God, that is.But that is after one is born again, not before. The horse will do much better if he is pulling, not pushing.


[sup]11[/sup]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. [sup]12[/sup]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


This is unquestionable. This is God's law, and as Paul has already pointed out...the whole law is in view here. See v. 10 again: Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Which is why he says, "If your going to live by the law, you will have to keep them all."

[sup]13[/sup]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: [sup]14[/sup]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Despite your insistence that the new birth is glorification, we see here that we receive the PROMISE of the Spirit through faith.


See again:

[sup]8[/sup]And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. See the connection?


I will stop there for now in this look at Galatians 3, as I am almost hesitant to broach the subject of the covenants, and, being limited on time, I will want to spend some time with it.

The law spoken of here is not the "sacrificial law," but speaks of the Covenant of Law, and all that is part of that covenant.

Apparently there is a need to interject, because your understanding of which law Paul was talking about is in error. Peter warned people concerning Paul's writing 2 Peter 3:[sup]15[/sup]And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, [sup]16[/sup]as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters.There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

Peter warned people concerning Paul's writing

This is an amazing statement. It is enough to consider dialogue meaningless, seeing as reliance on inspired scripture is not something you possess.

Peter is saying his "beloved brother" who wrote according to the wisdom that was given him...?

Every word we have that Paul wrote under inspiration of God is reliable, though some may debate concerning 1 Corinthians 7:6.

Again I will interject so you can see Romans 3 (KJV)
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19[/sup]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

[sup]20[/sup]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law(God's commandments) is the knowledge of sin.

[sup]21[/sup]But now the righteousness of God without the law ( what law? The sacrificial law!)is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; ( Ranger you can't see that Paul is talking about two law's in this verse?)
It means we are separated by the word of God through obedience, and Jesus blood.

Were the gentiles who knew not the law guilty of not keeping the "sacrificial law?"

Acts 15 makes it clear that gentiles are not commanded to keep the law. Why? Because it does not save...only Jesus saves.

Ranger, what your not understanding is "new birth", "born-again", is a changing of the vile body unto a glorious one. A NEW BODY! Not just a changing in the mind.

Would you please show scripture that you base this statement on?

You confuse glorification with the new birth.

Glorification will come when we are resurrected, however, the new birth occurs at salvation, and, in fact...is salvation.


2 Corinthians 5:17 (King James Version)


[sup]17[/sup]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You know what the therefore is there for, right?

Of course you do.

Again, Ecc has answered this with his last post.

I will get to that, but, alas, time does not permit it right now.

I will say, I believe that one is in the book of life at birth, and depending on whether they accept or reject Christ, when they stand before God, at the Great White Throne, it is then that they will be blotted from the book of life.

But we, according to the word of the Lord, who overcome, will NEVER be blotted from the book of life.

GTY