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Only humans show their teeth in friendship

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by tooldtocare, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. quietthinker

    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    what a muddle!
     
  2. Stranger

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    We are man. We are not animals. Your statements are ridiculous.

    Stranger
     
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    Awww how do you not know they are not smiling as a pose. Here kitty, kitty. :)
     
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    Yehren Well-Known Member

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    No question about it at all; we are animals, anatomically, behaviorally, genetically, and physiologically. We are just more than merely animals. Supposedly C.S.Lewis remarked "You are a soul, not a body. You have a body."
     
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    Yehren Well-Known Member

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    Yehren says:
    More precisely, we are primates. We fit nicely into the clade of anthropoid apes, with chimpanzees and humans being closer to each other than either is to any other ape. We are animals. But we aren't merely animals. We are also immortal souls like God, able to understand what is good and what is evil.

    I can only believe God did it in the best possible way. We are indeed a muddle, yearning after that which is good, but our natures lead us elsewhere. That is what Jesus was for; to redeem us and to show us the way.
     
  6. Giuliano

    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
    19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
    20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
    21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

    Who knows? Who knows? The person who knows will repent. . . .
     
  7. amadeus

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    "Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish." Psalm 49:20
    This, of course, it the unsaved carnal man who know not God. Is the "saved" man better? He has at least a greater hope than the one who knows not God at all. As to the "more than merely animals" part, I might hedge on that one. The worst of the lower animals are usually the ones trained or mis-trained [my own word] by their masters.


    "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
    For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity." Ecc 3:18-19


    Again this may be speaking of men who know not God, but when I see some labeled as Christian, I wonder what that word [Christian] really means to them. The beasts within men are quite more apparent than in those we name as beasts [lower animals?]
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    What is the animal next to the bat?
     
  9. Lady Crosstalk

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    Agreed. The creation of humans was the crowning achievement of the Creator. We are NOT mere animals. Satan would have us think so--that is why he delights in tempting mankind into soiling God's image in us. Drug and alcohol addiction, sexual perversity of all sorts and brazen infidelity cover humans in filth and dishonors the God who made life to be a beautiful reflection of His own perfection in the Godhead.
     
  10. Lady Crosstalk

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    We also share approximately 50% of our DNA in common with bananas. All life is connected through the DNA building blocks but we are not apes. That has been much oversold, in my opinion.
     
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    Humans and bananas, being eukaryotes, are more closely related to each other than either is related to bacteria.
    Humans and sponges, being animals, are more closely related to each other than either is related to plants.
    Humans and jellyfish, being metazoans, are more closely related to each other than either is related to sponges.
    Humans and fish, being vertebrates, are more closely related to each other than either is related to jellyfish.
    Humans and dogs, being mammals, are more closely related to each other than either is related to fish.
    Humans and apes, being primates, are more closely related to each other than either is related to dogs.
    Humans and chimpanzees, being in the same clade, are more closely related to each other than either is related to other apes.

    So you see, that is why we are animals. Genetically, anatomically, and functionally, we fit nicely into the animals, specifically anthropoid apes.

    That's really not arguable. It just is.
     
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    Of course we aren't merely animals. That's just one thing we are. But we are also in possession of an immortal soul and knowing good and evil, which makes us like God. We are uniquely gifted among the animals.
     
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    We are more than animals. Because we are not animals. Totally different creation.

    Stranger
     
  14. Yehren

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    We are animals. It's the way our bodies are made. We reproduce as animals do, we have the same physical needs as other animals do. Our bodies and genes carry the signature of God's creation of animals. Because we are animals. It's just that we are much more than merely animals.

    An immortal soul, given directly by God to each of us. And yes, that's a totally different creation than our bodies, which are produced naturally, like all the other animals.
     
  15. Lady Crosstalk

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    We are not apes any more than we are dogs. Your classification (taxonomic ranking) is not a simple as you have stated it to be. When studied in depth, the "evidence" of cladistics is lacking. This is seen quite clearly in instances where "lower animals" share common traits with "higher animals" (but those situations are ignored when the biology textbooks are written). And evidence is actually quite lacking when molecular genetics is considered. There are holes big enough to drive trucks through. Here is an article written by a molecular geneticist---https://creation.com/professor-of-genetics-says-no-to-evolution

    In addition, there have been actual frauds perpetrated by those who are desperate to "prove" evolutionary theory:

    "...Ever since Darwin published On the Origin of Species, scientists have been looking for the missing link—a transitional fossil that would seal the argument for human evolution. In 1912, an amateur geologist and archaeologist named Charles Dawson found it. The skull he pulled from a gravel pit in Piltdown, England, seemed to conclusively fit the part, and the discovery rocked the scientific community. Skeptics claimed the fossil was exactly what it looked like: a human skull cobbled together with an ape jaw to fool gullible scientists. In the ensuing excitement, believers shouted down deniers, and in December 1912, the Geological Society of London hosted a ceremony where Dawson presented his fossil, the Piltdown Man.

    The doubters continued doubting until 1917, when researchers discovered a similar fossil nearby. The Piltdown faithful were thrilled: the new find, Piltdown II, seemingly legitimized the old one.

    But the Piltdown Man’s scientific legitimacy gradually eroded over the next few decades. Other early human skulls began popping up in China and Africa, and each had an apelike skull with a human jaw: the opposite of the Piltdown combo.

    The jig was finally up in 1953. After conducting tests on the skull, anthropologist Joseph Weiner and geologist Kenneth Oakley determined Piltdown Man was no man at all. Rather, he was a combination of man (the skull), orangutan (the jaw), and chimp (the teeth). What’s more, fluorine dating showed that the bones were no more than 100,000 years old, certainly not new but not missing-link ancient. The head looked older only because the hoax’s perpetrator had stained it with iron and chromic acid.

    While the hoax was eventually exposed, the prankster behind the caper is still at large. Dawson is the most likely culprit, but literary sleuths have turned their suspicions to another man: Sherlock Holmes’s creator, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Not only was Conan Doyle a member of Dawson’s archaeological society and a frequent visitor to the Piltdown site, he hinted in his novel The Lost World that faking bones is no tougher than forging a photograph—the ultimate smoking gun! If only Holmes were on the case..."
     
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    No, that's wrong. We are apes because genetically, we and chimpanzees are more closely related to each other than either species is related to any other apes. And we know this works, because we can test it with organisms of known descent.

    It is precisely as I stated. Would you like to see how I know?

    You've studied cladistics in depth? I'm pretty sure you haven't, if you think what I showed you, is controversial. It's not.

    In biology, no one refers to "lower animals" or "higher animals."

    No, that's wrong. For example, we share HOX genes with primitive chordates like Amphioxus. It's a prediction of evolutionary theory. And most college texts in genetics point this out.

    No, that's wrong, too. For example, primates need to take in vitamin C. Unlike most other animals, we can't make it ourselves. This is because the gene for vitamin c is broken in primates. Because they are essentially fruit-eating organisms, there was no need for it, and so when it mutated and became non-functional, it didn't matter. There are some other organisms that have a non-functional gene for vitamin C, but only primates have it broken a particular way.

    Show us some of them.

    He's not even a geneticist, much less a molecular geneticist. He has bachelors and master's degrees in forestry, and a PhD in tree physiology. No wonder his article couldn't cite even one thing in molecular biology that contradicts evolution. Perhaps you linked me to the wrong site?

    (Reference to Piltdown man)

    We don't know who did the hoax, but we do know that evolutionists debunked it. You see, the hoax showed exactly the opposite of what evolutionary theory predicted. Instead of a apelike body with a large brain, evolutionists expected a human-like postcranial skeleton,with an apelike skull. So Piltdown didn't fit. Eventually, proof of a hoax was found, and the problem for evolution turned out to be no problem at all.

    Later on, when actual transitional forms between humans and other apes were found, they fit the prediction; human-like body, ape-like skull. And now you know what the creationists were hiding from you.
     
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    Animals also open their mouth, showing their teeth as a means to cool of. Humans sweet to cool off and I doubt others animals sweet too
    :)-
     
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    Dogs, for example. My dog loves to ride in the car in the summer, and let the AC vent blow over her open mouth. That's how dogs cool off.

    Horses are the only exception I know about, in which it's the major cooling function.
     
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    Do Animals Sweat?
     
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    We are not animals.

    Man is body, soul, and spirit.

    Stranger
     
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