Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[Truth7t7]

Exactly, Revelation is not linear time. it jumps around in the timeline, it is not a fully progressing story from beginning too end.
More of the book is written the same way.

Just one example would be the final judgement seen in Revelation 11:18 and again in Revelation 20:11-15

Dispensationalism and its followers falsely teach the book of revelation is in chronological order, nothing could be further from the truth

 

[Scott Downey]

I agree. We are looking at several recaps of the one and only climatic return of Christ.

Both Hebrews 9, where Jesus comes a second time, and Acts 3 with Peter preaching confirm that. And Peter ought to know being an apostle.

Heaven must HOLD CHRIST SEATED at the Father's right hand UNTIL...
So this is where Christ is until the Father says go back and gather my people on hat DAY of the LORD
You would think this would be clear to all..
The time of the restoration of all things is also found in Revelation 21 and there is no more death, but their millennial reign on earth with Christ still has DEATH, the last enemy undestroyed!

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”


Acts 3
17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before,
21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.

22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”

 

[rebuilder 454]

They are unknown to Christ, meaning He never knew them
The door into the Lords prescense is shut, everyone who is supposed to be present is there with the Lord.
After the door is shut it is too late to enter in. Also tells us after He comes, there is no more saving to be obtained by the unsaved.

Matthew 25
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom [a]is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour [b]in which the Son of Man is coming.

It is said in scripture "Mary knew not a man"
Its pointed DIRECTLY to intimacy.

....not that she was locked in a room all her life and had no male acquaintances.

In a true marriage, a bride CAN HAVE MALE FREIENDS, but they are NOT ALLOWED into the marriage chamber.

Now use that prism and hopefully understand the foolish VIRGINS are indeed believers.
Carnal secular believers caught by surprise and embarrassed.
Half caught wanting and embarrassed.

Interestingly enough Jesus had just used that same "50% gathered", 30 seconds earlier, in his example of "before the flood gathering."
Of one harvested, and 1 left behind.
We know that it's not, nor can it POSSIBLY BE, "half the world wicked and half the world righteous", as postribbers erroneously insert, and ridiculously try to promote as truth.

50% used twice by Jesus, at a gathering.

Any postribbers care to adjust their doctrine claiming before the flood,( PRETRIB) there is a supposed gathering of half the world population and they are burned/judged/ killed/ ( or whatever you guys are imagining in a extra biblical dynamic)
Really????
Pretrib wicked people rapture????????

 

[Truth7t7]

Most every position agrees Jesus returns postrib.
Some edit the bible to hope rev 14, and 1 these 4, and mat 24 &25 are also with millions of horses, when it is flat out impossible.
I think the cure would be to just eliminate the rapture entirely, and stop trying to pretend the pretrib rapture Jesus taught, is Jesus in confusion.
That pretrib rapture sure does bother people.



The end.

The cure would be in not using the word "Rapture" all together, its a Latin term that doesn't exist in my Holy Bible, the correct words are "Caught Up"

As we all know a pre-trib rapture dosent exist in scripture, dispensationalism does nothing more than take the second coming seen in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and they falsely claim the verses represent their pre-trib rapture 100% "False"

 

[rebuilder 454]

What do you mean ? Explain yourself

Are you claiming the AC is not a man? A single human being?

 

[Scott Downey]

speaking more on this

Heaven must HOLD CHRIST SEATED at the Father's right hand UNTIL...
Acts 3 Peter tell us where Christ is until the Father says go back and gather my people on that DAY of the LORD
You would think this would be clear to all..
The time of the restoration of all things is also found in Revelation 21 and there is no more death, but their millennial reign on earth with Christ still has DEATH, the last enemy undestroyed!

Study the scriptures to show yourself approved! With no need to be ashamed!

Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

1 Cor 15
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.

26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

 

[WPM]

It is said in scripture "Mary knew not a man"
Its pointed DIRECTLY to intimacy.

....not that she was locked in a room all her life and had no male acquaintances.

In a true marriage, a bride CAN HAVE MALE FREIENDS, but they are NOT ALLOWED into the marriage chamber.

Now use that prism and hopefully understand the foolish VIRGINS are indeed believers.
Carnal secular believers caught by surprise and embarrassed.
Half caught wanting and embarrassed.

Interestingly enough Jesus had just used that same "50% gathered", 30 seconds earlier, in his example of "before the flood gathering."
Of one harvested, and 1 left behind.
We know that it's not, nor can it POSSIBLY BE, "half the world wicked and half the world righteous", as postribbers erroneously insert, and ridiculously try to promote as truth.

50% used twice by Jesus, at a gathering.

Any postribbers care to adjust their doctrine claiming before the flood,( PRETRIB) there is a supposed gathering of half the world population and they are burned/judged/ killed/ ( or whatever you guys are imagining in a extra biblical dynamic)
Really????
Pretrib wicked people rapture????????

The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. The 50/50 breakdown is an earthly illustration relating to two types of people on earth when Jesus comes. These are two types of people you will find in any generation.

What is more, the whole thrust of Christ teaching surrounds preparedness; some were wise and prepared others were foolish and were caught unexpected. This is what will happen when Jesus comes. Remember, the broad road holds the vast bulk of mankind. There are few on the narrow road. This truth is played out throughout Scripture.

The number 10 is used in the Bible as a complete number. This parable was given to illustrate readiness and accountability.

 

[Truth7t7]

In a true marriage, a bride CAN HAVE MALE FREIENDS, but they are NOT ALLOWED into the marriage chamber.

I Disagree, There's No Room For Supposed "Male Friends" Of The Wife In A Christian Marriage, Especially In Today's World Of Electronic Communication, Same Applies To The Husband

If Their Is Male Friendship With The Family, It Will Be Supervised By The Husband And In His Presence

Sad Thing Today Is The Many Women That Have Left The Home In Being A Biblical House Wife, Only To End Up In The Work Place Having Untold Christian Marriages Destroyed By Supposed "Male Friends"

 

[The Light]

Just one example would be the final judgement seen in Revelation 11:18 and again in Revelation 20:11-15

Dispensationalism and its followers falsely teach the book of revelation is in chronological order, nothing could be further from the truth

The book of Revelation is not in chronological order, but I know that you don't know the order.

 

[The Light]

The cure would be in not using the word "Rapture" all together, its a Latin term that doesn't exist in my Holy Bible, the correct words are "Caught Up"

As we all know a pre-trib rapture dosent exist in scripture, dispensationalism does nothing more than take the second coming seen in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and they falsely claim the verses represent their pre-trib rapture 100% "False"

Once it is understood that the fig tree has two harvests, all your arguments against a rapture before the great tribulation go up in smoke.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I already said in that post back to you, and showed what is said, but you are disturbed in your mind and can't believe what is written and also very clearly written. None of what I said was unrelated, it was spot on, also bringing old and new testament scriptures together to point that out.

No.
I am not "disturbed in my my mind"

Please get some Jesus time in.
That spirit operating in you to curse your brother in Christ is flat out evil.

It would be a courtesy on your part to civily engage my question..
That is the point.
You are so concerned with some mission of hatred, common courtesy is out the window.

Flat out nasty.

AND YOU CAN NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.
YOU CAN NOT DO IT.
UNBELIEVABLE LAME.

 

[Scott Downey]

It is said in scripture "Mary knew not a man"
Its pointed DIRECTLY to intimacy.

....not that she was locked in a room all her life and had no male acquaintances.

In a true marriage, a bride CAN HAVE MALE FREIENDS, but they are NOT ALLOWED into the marriage chamber.

Now use that prism and hopefully understand the foolish VIRGINS are indeed believers.
Carnal secular believers caught by surprise and embarrassed.
Half caught wanting and embarrassed.

Interestingly enough Jesus had just used that same "50% gathered", 30 seconds earlier, in his example of "before the flood gathering."
Of one harvested, and 1 left behind.
We know that it's not, nor can it POSSIBLY BE, "half the world wicked and half the world righteous", as postribbers erroneously insert, and ridiculously try to promote as truth.

50% used twice by Jesus, at a gathering.

Any postribbers care to adjust their doctrine claiming before the flood,( PRETRIB) there is a supposed gathering of half the world population and they are burned/judged/ killed/ ( or whatever you guys are imagining in a extra biblical dynamic)
Really????
Pretrib wicked people rapture????????

your confusing yourself, there are just 2 eternal states of people, the wicked and the just, righteous - unrighteous, saved and unsaved.

Not half and half equal proportionalities
There are a lot more wicked than there are justified people.

The unsaved are the 'sons of disobedience' as Paul call them, they will not submit to God's righteousness, they do not believe what He says or offers them, eternal salvation, they reject God and the Son.

 

[Truth7t7]

The book of Revelation is not in chronological order, but I know that you don't know the order.

Don't be so hard on yourself

 

[rebuilder 454]

I Disagree, There's No Room For Supposed "Male Friends" Of The Wife In A Christian Marriage, Especially In Today's World Of Electronic Communication, Same Applies To The Husband

If Their Is Male Friendship With The Family, It Will Be Supervised By The Husband And In His Presence

Sad Thing Today Is The Many Women That Have Left The Home In Being A Biblical House Wife, Only To End Up In The Work Place Having Untold Christian Marriages Destroyed By Supposed "Male Friends"

Ok.
Evade my example.
Good job.
Twist it to fit!!!!!!


( there is not a married woman on the planet outside some perverted Muslim radicals that does not know another male).

But you need everything twisted huh?

 

[Truth7t7]

your confusing yourself, there are just 2 eternal states of people, the wicked and the just, righteous - unrighteous, saved and unsaved.

Not half and half equal proportionalities
There are a lot more wicked than there are justified people.

The unsaved are the 'sons of disobedience' as Paul call them, they will not submit to God's righteousness, they do not believe what He says or offers them, eternal salvation, they reject God and the Son.

The Scripture Below Suggest The Number Of Righteous Saved Will Be "Few"

Luke 18:8KJV
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

 

[Scott Downey]

No.
I am not "disturbed in my my mind"

Please get some Jesus time in.
That spirit operating in you to curse your brother in Christ is flat out evil.

It would be a courtesy on your part to civily engage my question..
That is the point.
You are so concerned with some mission of hatred, common courtesy is out the window.

Flat out nasty.

AND YOU CAN NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.
YOU CAN NOT DO IT.
UNBELIEVABLE LAME.

Honestly you just are unreasonable, and will not hear what the scriptures say, such as my earlier post #306 clearly points out.
That is why I said your are disturbed in you mind, in your THINKING!, it has been corrupted, and other people see it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Amils are in here to twist and evade .

Sad.

 

[Scott Downey]

Amils are in here to twist and evade .

Sad.

Yes, your in a sad state. Amills are not twisting, they are studying to show themselves approved unto God, as should all do.

 

[rebuilder 454]

your confusing yourself, there are just 2 eternal states of people, the wicked and the just, righteous - unrighteous, saved and unsaved.

Not half and half equal proportionalities
There are a lot more wicked than there are justified people.

The unsaved are the 'sons of disobedience' as Paul call them, they will not submit to God's righteousness, they do not believe what He says or offers them, eternal salvation, they reject God and the Son.

Bingo.
You are unaware you made my point.
So you do agree that half the world can not be righteous and half wicked?

Then we see the classes of believers that are born again children of God made by paul.

Are you aware of that distinction in the church?

(Try and jettison the hate before typing).

Way too tedious.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, your in a sad state. Amills are not twisting, they are studying to show themselves approved unto God, as should all do.

No.
Sadly...you need a mirror.
Again....cursing your brother in christ.

See, that reveals red flags in you.
You seem to be at a point now where every time you address me, you show hate.
It is as if you CAN NOT be civil.