Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[rebuilder 454]

From google:
Core Beliefs of Amillennialism

Figurative 1,000 Years:
The number 1,000 is a symbolic, large round number. It represents the entire unseen spiritual era between Jesus ascending to heaven and His eventual return.

The Binding of Satan:
Satan was bound during Christ's first earthly ministry. This binding stops him from stopping the spread of the Gospel.

Christ Reigns Now:
Jesus is currently seated at the right hand of God. He rules over heaven, earth, and His church right now

A Single Final Return:
Jesus will return only once at the very end of time. His return triggers the final judgment and starts the eternal state immediately, without an intervening earthly reign.

Now when they pretend to ask legitimate questions , you can know the backdrop of their false doctrine.
Cunning little mischief makers in here with their own changed bibles.

The forum should make them expose their beliefs along side their names.

 

[JimKnox]

Tons of blessed people are in false doctrine.

As a born again pretribber, I got saved into a amil church. 50 years ago.
Once I did my own study , I saw the error big time. Saw it right away.
The Bible rules.
Thank God he did not allow me to be caught up in that mess with their changed bible.

Ask yourself why they reframe most everything, and are so nasty i have had to put 90 % of them on ignore.
Red flags in doctrine big time.
Red flags in Christ likeness big time.

All amils as far as I can see hate the Jews.
Literally despise them.

Amil almost always promotes replacement theology.
Then when challenged they play dumb and say : "huh...what is replacement theology"

They are silly and are in here to go personal and then mix in their "new definitions" of most everything.

Ask one of them about the 144,000 .
Ask if they are Jews.

Way too tedious.
Flat out goofy.

You guys need your own threads and announce who you are.
You know good and well nobody with a Bible will believe those grand canyon leaps of amil.

BTW...I NEED NO "BOOKS" . I got my Bible and interlinear.
I can debate any of your doctrinal experts.
Quite handily.
However, Your big headedness and condescension is too tedious.

A really nasty bunch.

Yep. I've had to ignore 3 of them in this thread alone.
Nasty folks.
One even said the Scripture I posted of Christ's own words were "meaningless".

 

[WPM]

Yep. I've had to ignore 3 of them in this thread alone.
Nasty folks.
One even said the Scripture I posted of Christ's own words were "meaningless".

Apart from misrepresenting the book of Revelation, what other Scripture do you have the teaches a rapture of the church followed by a prolonged tribulation period?

 

[WPM]

From google:
Core Beliefs of Amillennialism

Figurative 1,000 Years:
The number 1,000 is a symbolic, large round number. It represents the entire unseen spiritual era between Jesus ascending to heaven and His eventual return.

The Binding of Satan:
Satan was bound during Christ's first earthly ministry. This binding stops him from stopping the spread of the Gospel.

Christ Reigns Now:
Jesus is currently seated at the right hand of God. He rules over heaven, earth, and His church right now

A Single Final Return:
Jesus will return only once at the very end of time. His return triggers the final judgment and starts the eternal state immediately, without an intervening earthly reign.

Now when they pretend to ask legitimate questions , you can know the backdrop of their false doctrine.
Cunning little mischief makers in here with their own changed bibles.

The forum should make them expose their beliefs along side their names.

All noice. No biblical facts. Apart from misrepresenting the book of Revelation, what other Scripture do you have the teaches a rapture of the church followed by a prolonged tribulation period?

 

[WPM]

Yep. I've had to ignore 3 of them in this thread alone.
Nasty folks.
One even said the Scripture I posted of Christ's own words were "meaningless".

LOL. That is because you cannot prove what you claim from God's holy Book. Pretribbers are on the run. They cannot handle being challenged. That is why so many today are abandoning Pretrib. It is a dead doctrine. Most Amils were brought up with this error.

 

[WPM]

All amils as far as I can see hate the Jews.

Instead of spreading blatant lies like this, how about presenting proof of this on this board? You will not because you cannot. The scary part is, you feel no conviction about this.

 

[WPM]

Ask yourself why they reframe most everything, and are so nasty i have had to put 90 % of them on ignore.
Red flags in doctrine big time.
Red flags in Christ likeness big time.

Yea, right? More projection. This is how you communicate with those who disagree with you:

by misrepresenting God's Holy Word, they are playing out the ministry of satan.

Amil and postrib doctrine adherents are driven by spirits.
You are talking to spirits.
Dug in and clinching error with white knuckle grip.

Run for your lives.
Those postribs are from satan!!!!

You rode that beast/doctrine that carried you into the desert and I slew it ... Be free and agree with Jesus and His Holy Book.

You are sitting there with so much egg on your face you can not see that your house is on fire, but you turn to your air purifier for a ridiculous remedy.

Let's calm down and try to remedy your facesmear with all that gooey egg.
We can start with retrieving your needed omissions.

you are one miserable individual. Take a break, get some spirit in you and then debate without all the hateful mess.

You 100% have an appointment with martyrdom.
It is your prophesy over yourself.

You stumble all over yourself because you do not know the bible.

Name calling and avoidance is all you have now. The battle has been long-won.

This sums up the crude disrespectful and demeaning ad hominem that exemplifies the approach of most Pretribbers here when they notice they have no response to God's Book.

 

[Scott Downey]

Gee. Please produce a scripture that says that the Jews will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah.

I want to see this scripture. What chapter and verse is that?

My Bible says that the one third of the Jews flee to a place of protection when the AOD is set up.

What Bible are you using and what does it say?

it is like this one here in v43, but yes it is in concept.
John 5:43 I have come in My Father’s name, and ye receive Me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Matthew 12:30
“He that is not with Me is against Me, and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad.

They don't except Christ, but they will accept someone else, a false christ, which is an antichrist.

John 5

36 But I have greater witness than that of John; for the works which the Father hath given Me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of Me that the Father hath sent Me.
37 And the Father Himself, who hath sent Me, hath borne witness of Me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.
38 And ye have not His Word abiding in you; for Whom He hath sent, Him ye believe not.
39 “Search the Scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and it is they which testify of Me.
40 And ye will not come to Me, that ye might have life!
41 I receive not honor from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I have come in My Father’s name, and ye receive Me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, who receive honor one from another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe My words?”

 

[Scott Downey]

From google:
Core Beliefs of Amillennialism

Figurative 1,000 Years:
The number 1,000 is a symbolic, large round number. It represents the entire unseen spiritual era between Jesus ascending to heaven and His eventual return.

The Binding of Satan:
Satan was bound during Christ's first earthly ministry. This binding stops him from stopping the spread of the Gospel.

Christ Reigns Now:
Jesus is currently seated at the right hand of God. He rules over heaven, earth, and His church right now

A Single Final Return:
Jesus will return only once at the very end of time. His return triggers the final judgment and starts the eternal state immediately, without an intervening earthly reign.

Now when they pretend to ask legitimate questions , you can know the backdrop of their false doctrine.
Cunning little mischief makers in here with their own changed bibles.

The forum should make them expose their beliefs along side their names.

So you don't believe this then? (as you just said core belief of Amils are to be made fun of)

Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, He was received up into Heaven, and sat at the right hand of God.

Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit Thou at My right hand until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool.”’

Mark 14:62
And Jesus said, “I am; and ye shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The second coming is His glorious appearing when He comes to gather His saints, and to judge the world in righteousness.

Where does Christ remain now? And until what?

No, that is you not understanding scriptural process, nor prophetical language.

In Dan. 7:11 it says the Beasts BODY will be DESTROYED and he is then cast into hellfire. In Rev. 19:20 it says the Beast and False Prophet will be CAST ALIVE into hell, which is it? Did God lie, or do you just claim its an unknown to those who would love an answer, or do you assume scripture is correct and its us who do not always go the extra mile to understand the word.

So, all men must die and be judged. In Dan. 12 and Cor. 15 it CLEARLY SAYS we SLEEP in the grave AND that the Dead in Christ are raised at the end (its a MYTH that we go straight to heaven, put forth no doubt be the same type illogical reasoning we have via this 2nd coming stuff). So, the Beast is KILLED. Then he is never allowed to rest in the grave. hence he is cast straight into hell.......BUT, but, but it says ALIVE, he is cast in alive !! Yes, we are immortal beings, we never die, notice Satan and his demons have no body, but are still alive. We humans will either live with God for eternity or with Satan.

The real problem is most of you have no real understanding of prophesy.

1 Corinthians 15
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

This proves you have zero understanding of process nor concepts, you take an OVERVIEW but fail to give the LATER EXPLAINED DETAILS.

1 Cor. 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (So, Paul just told us no SIN FLESH can enter Heaven, that is why Jesus yold Mary TOUCH ME NOT in John 20, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father [to offer the Sacrifice], Mary merely touching Jesus with her sin stained hands would have defiled the Sacrifice)

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep(MEANING everyone else is SLEEPING or AT REST in the grave as in NOW), but we shall all be changed,(Most everyone totally mises this, we do not FLY AWAY, LOL, we must be CHANGED to how the Dead are raised in Christ in vs. 44, as SPIRITIAL MEN who have NO CORRUPTION meaning no sin flesh, thus it simply means we DIE, our Spirit Man leaves or SIN FLESH bodies to go be with the Lord)

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible(With NO SIN FLESH), and we shall be changed(meaning we LOSE our sin flesh and go to be with te Lord as Spirit Men, where we will get our Glorious Bodies just before we wed the Lamb in heaven, BEFORE we return to Armageddon the Marriage Supper on earth).

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption(OUR CORRPT FLESH must be left behind), and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


You take an OVERVIEW and run with it, you need to study up on how things were write then see Gen. 1 and Gen 2, both are Creation stories. Ones about the overview of creation in general, one is about mankind.

 

[Scott Downey]

No, that is you not understanding scriptural process, nor prophetical language.

In Dan. 7:11 it says the Beasts BODY will be DESTROYED and he is then cast into hellfire. In Rev. 19:20 it says the Beast and False Prophet will be CAST ALIVE into hell, which is it? Did God lie, or do you just claim its an unknown to those who would love an answer, or do you assume scripture is correct and its us who do not always go the extra mile to understand the word.

So, all men must die and be judged. In Dan. 12 and Cor. 15 it CLEARLY SAYS we SLEEP in the grave AND that the Dead in Christ are raised at the end (its a MYTH that we go straight to heaven, put forth no doubt be the same type illogical reasoning we have via this 2nd coming stuff). So, the Beast is KILLED. Then he is never allowed to rest in the grave. hence he is cast straight into hell.......BUT, but, but it says ALIVE, he is cast in alive !! Yes, we are immortal beings, we never die, notice Satan and his demons have no body, but are still alive. We humans will either live with God for eternity or with Satan.

The real problem is most of you have no real understanding of prophesy.


This proves you have zero understanding of process nor concepts, you take an OVERVIEW but fail to give the LATER EXPLAINED DETAILS.

1 Cor. 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (So, Paul just told us no SIN FLESH can enter Heaven, that is why Jesus yold Mary TOUCH ME NOT in John 20, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father [to offer the Sacrifice], Mary merely touching Jesus with her sin stained hands would have defiled the Sacrifice)

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep(MEANING everyone else is SLEEPING or AT REST in the grave as in NOW), but we shall all be changed,(Most everyone totally mises this, we do not FLY AWAY, LOL, we must be CHANGED to how the Dead are raised in Christ in vs. 44, as SPIRITIAL MEN who have NO CORRUPTION meaning no sin flesh, thus it simply means we DIE, our Spirit Man leaves or SIN FLESH bodies to go be with the Lord)

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible(With NO SIN FLESH), and we shall be changed(meaning we LOSE our sin flesh and go to be with te Lord as Spirit Men, where we will get our Glorious Bodies just before we wed the Lamb in heaven, BEFORE we return to Armageddon the Marriage Supper on earth).

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption(OUR CORRPT FLESH must be left behind), and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


You take an OVERVIEW and run with it, you need to study up on how things were write then see Gen. 1 and Gen 2, both are Creation stories. Ones about the overview of creation in general, one is about mankind.

Well you just verified there is no earthly 1000 year reign in mortal bodies of anyone.

Because when He appears we shall all be changed and the dead raised incorruptible as DEATH is DESTROYED, no more dying for anyone.
As also those that do not know God, those who do not obey the gospel, Christ at His return has consumed in fiery vengeance.

2 Thess 1
7 and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

1 Cor 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I show you a mystery: We shall not all sleep; but we shall all be changed

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”

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Everyman can read for himself and decide what they want to believe.
There is no more flesh and blood, all are changed. You do understand all are raised, a resurrection of damnation or a resurrection of life.

John 5
28 Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice

29 and shall come forth — they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

30 “I can of Mine own self do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father who hath sent Me.

 

[Scott Downey]

The resurrection of damnation refers to the raising of the wicked from the dead to face judgment and eternal separation from God.​

Biblical Context​

The term appears in John 5:29, where Jesus states: "Those who have done good shall come forth to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation" Bible Hub+1. This passage distinguishes two outcomes after death: the righteous are raised to eternal life, while the wicked are raised to judgment and condemnation. The resurrection of damnation is thus associated with accountability for evil deeds and the consequences of sin Bible Hub+1.

Theological Interpretation​

The resurrection of damnation is often described as a bodily resurrection of those who have died in sin, where they are brought before God’s judgment biblebb.com+1. Commentaries emphasize that this resurrection is not merely symbolic; it is a real event in which the wicked experience the full awareness of their condemnation. Their conscience immediately recognizes their guilt, and they are subjected to the justice of God, often depicted as eternal separation or punishment biblebb.com.

Distinction from Resurrection of Life​

• Resurrection of Life: The righteous are raised to eternal bliss and communion with God, rewarded for their good deeds and faith
• Resurrection of Damnation: The wicked are raised to face the consequences of their evil actions, experiencing spiritual death and separation from God and clarifies that the resurrection of damnation overcomes physical death but does not overcome spiritual death, meaning the soul remains separated from God’s presence. Damnation, in this sense, is the state of being denied access to God’s glory and progress, reflecting the eternal consequences of unrepented sin.

Implications​

The resurrection of damnation underscores the principle of divine justice: all individuals are accountable for their actions, and the final judgment is inevitable. It serves as a warning to live righteously and seek reconciliation with God, emphasizing both the reality of life after death and the moral responsibility of human choices biblebb.com+2.

 

[JimKnox]

And another one bites the dust. That makes FOUR of those guys I had to put on ignore.
Act nasty and I put you in time out.

Many people of the amil persuasion (I have noticed) are like the theistic evolutionists. BOTH cames redefine plain language and outright DENY the very words of God.
Examples:
In Genesis they say "evening and morning" and "one day" do not mean what is plainly stated. It actually means millions of years.

Also in Revelation they say "thousand years" does not mean what is plainly stated. It actually means a very very long and undetermined length of time.

Have you noticed the common attack on God's words? Yea, hath God said?
Who, exactly, has been attacking God's WORDS since the beginning? He attacks the beginning and the ending.

Believe God and not the Bible correctors.

 

[JimKnox]

The resurrection of damnation refers to the raising of the wicked from the dead to face judgment and eternal separation from God.​

Biblical Context​

The term appears in John 5:29, where Jesus states: "Those who have done good shall come forth to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation" Bible Hub+1. This passage distinguishes two outcomes after death: the righteous are raised to eternal life, while the wicked are raised to judgment and condemnation. The resurrection of damnation is thus associated with accountability for evil deeds and the consequences of sin Bible Hub+1.

Theological Interpretation​

The resurrection of damnation is often described as a bodily resurrection of those who have died in sin, where they are brought before God’s judgment biblebb.com+1. Commentaries emphasize that this resurrection is not merely symbolic; it is a real event in which the wicked experience the full awareness of their condemnation. Their conscience immediately recognizes their guilt, and they are subjected to the justice of God, often depicted as eternal separation or punishment biblebb.com.

Distinction from Resurrection of Life​

• Resurrection of Life: The righteous are raised to eternal bliss and communion with God, rewarded for their good deeds and faith
• Resurrection of Damnation: The wicked are raised to face the consequences of their evil actions, experiencing spiritual death and separation from God and clarifies that the resurrection of damnation overcomes physical death but does not overcome spiritual death, meaning the soul remains separated from God’s presence. Damnation, in this sense, is the state of being denied access to God’s glory and progress, reflecting the eternal consequences of unrepented sin.

Implications​

The resurrection of damnation underscores the principle of divine justice: all individuals are accountable for their actions, and the final judgment is inevitable. It serves as a warning to live righteously and seek reconciliation with God, emphasizing both the reality of life after death and the moral responsibility of human choices biblebb.com+2.

I checked the link.
Maybe get honest. This isn't your own work.

 

[WPM]

[

And another one bites the dust. That makes FOUR of those guys I had to put on ignore.
Act nasty and I put you in time out.

Many people of the amil persuasion (I have noticed) are like the theistic evolutionists. BOTH cames redefine plain language and outright DENY the very words of God.
Examples:
In Genesis they say "evening and morning" and "one day" do not mean what is plainly stated. It actually means millions of years.

Also in Revelation they say "thousand years" does not mean what is plainly stated. It actually means a very very long and undetermined length of time.

Have you noticed the common attack on God's words? Yea, hath God said?
Who, exactly, has been attacking God's WORDS since the beginning? He attacks the beginning and the ending.

Believe God and not the Bible correctors.

Lol. Another one you cannot refute. You guys are exposing your error to everyone. Talk about a wimp. You guys are on the run. Your doctrine is dead. It is a lie of the enemy. It is a Jesuit invention.

 

[Scott Downey]

I checked the link.
Maybe get honest. This isn't your own work.

It does not need to be and neither is scripture my own work.
The truth is what it is, why do you continually reject 2 Thessalonians 1?
You do realize it is in everyone's bible. Amil do not have a separate bible like rebuilder454 fusses about.

 

[WPM]

And another one bites the dust. That makes FOUR of those guys I had to put on ignore.
Act nasty and I put you in time out.

Many people of the amil persuasion (I have noticed) are like the theistic evolutionists. BOTH cames redefine plain language and outright DENY the very words of God.
Examples:
In Genesis they say "evening and morning" and "one day" do not mean what is plainly stated. It actually means millions of years.

Also in Revelation they say "thousand years" does not mean what is plainly stated. It actually means a very very long and undetermined length of time.

Have you noticed the common attack on God's words? Yea, hath God said?
Who, exactly, has been attacking God's WORDS since the beginning? He attacks the beginning and the ending.

Believe God and not the Bible correctors.

Let us see how consistent your hermeneutics are. Does Antichrist reign for exactly "one hour" in Revelation 17:12 then? This shows how hypocritical pre-trib really is. They have double standards when it comes to Revelation 20. That is because it demolishes their theology.

 

[WPM]

It does not need to be and neither is scripture my own work.
The truth is what it is, why do you continually reject 2 Thessalonians 1?
You do realize it is in everyone's bible. Amil do not have a separate bible like rebuilder454 fusses about.

When you're quoting others you need to acknowledge that or it appears as plagiarism.

 

[Scott Downey]

When you're quoting others you need to acknowledge that or it appears as plagiarism.

The link is in the text

 

[JimKnox]

It does not need to be and neither is scripture my own work.
The truth is what it is, why do you continually reject 2 Thessalonians 1?
You do realize it is in everyone's bible. Amil do not have a separate bible like rebuilder454 fusses about.

But I don't reject it and that is your error. You all have been making gross assumptions about my view of eschatology.
I should ask you the same question:
Why do you reject the clear doctrine of Millenial Kingdom Exclusion found in that same chapter of 2 Thes 1. ?
And simply saying, "it is not there" , is no rebuttal at all.