Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom
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All okay, just like you English is not my native language. I don't see myself posting on a Chinese forum after a year of intensive study and making sense.
soberxp
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But you can use Ai, a lot of people are using it.
Perhaps seeing more and listening to more, and exposing oneself to different things, will be of greater help to the understanding of the Bible.
GracePeace
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Thanks GP
But there's no language barrier between me and @soberxp .
We seem to understand each other very well.
I had the OP translated please let me know it it works or not.
许多人称呼耶稣为“主”，但很少有人真正明白遵行天父旨意的意义。从起初，神就通过祂的诫命、祂的先知，最后通过祂的儿子，把祂的旨意启示给人。耶稣警告说，并不是所有呼求祂名的人都能进天国，唯有遵行神旨意的人才能进去。在祂的话语中有生命、有真理，也有通往永恒救恩的道路。这不是人的传统或意见，而是顺服神亲自所说的话，并在信心、爱和顺服中活出来。
从起初，神就没有让人类在祂的旨意上落在黑暗里。祂在诫命中启示祂的旨意，藉着先知反复强调，又在祂的儿子身上完全显明。神的旨意不是隐藏的，它就是生命，它就是真理，它就是爱，它就是圣洁。行在其中就是得福，偏离其中就是走向死亡。
在旧约里，神对以色列说话，把祂的律法赐给他们。祂宣告说：“你要尽心、尽性、尽力爱耶和华你的神。”（申命记 6:5）这是祂旨意的首要和最高的表达。意思是人的全心、全魂、全力都属于祂，不是部分，而是完全。在日常生活里，这意味着不可以把任何偶像、欲望、财富、享乐或荣耀放在神之上。遵行祂的旨意，就是在早晨起来时、夜晚休息时，把祂放在首位；在与人交谈时、在独自安静时，都以祂为第一。
摩西也清楚地说：“耶和华你神向你所要的是什么呢？只要你敬畏耶和华你的神，行祂一切的道，爱祂，尽心、尽性事奉祂，遵守耶和华的诫命和律例，就是我今日所吩咐你的，为要叫你得福。”（申命记 10:12-13）这里神的旨意被详细说明：敬畏祂，就是尊崇祂，不轻看祂的话；行祂的道，就是走祂所设定的路；爱祂，不仅是口里说，而是用行动表现；尽心尽性事奉祂，就是全然献上自己；遵守祂的诫命，不是勉强，而是知道这是为我们得益处。在日常生活里，这意味着做事要诚实，守信，不起恶念，心存怜悯待人。
先知弥迦用简单的话总结说：“世人哪，耶和华已指示你何为善。他向你所要的是什么呢？只要你行公义，好怜悯，存谦卑的心，与你的神同行。”（弥迦书 6:8）公义就是公平待人，不欺压弱者；怜悯就是饶恕和怜惜，即使对方不配；谦卑与神同行，就是不自高自大，承认生命的赐予者是祂，我们所有的一切都属于祂。这就是神的旨意。
耶稣来到世上，不仅用话语，更用祂的生活显明天父的旨意。祂说：“我从天上降下来，不是要按自己的意思行，乃是要按那差我来者的意思行。”（约翰福音 6:38）祂所说的每句话、所做的每个怜悯之举、每次祷告、每一步顺服，甚至直到十字架，都是完全遵行天父的旨意。祂也启示了天父对我们的心意：“差我来者的意思，就是祂所赐给我的，叫我一个也不失落，在末日却叫他复活。”（约翰福音 6:40）这里有永生的应许，但只赐给那些真正看见耶稣是谁、凭信心相信祂、并在顺服和爱中跟随祂的人。
耶稣也严肃警告说：“凡称呼我‘主啊，主啊’的人不能都进天国，惟独遵行我天父旨意的人才能进去。当那日必有许多人对我说：‘主啊，主啊，我们不是奉你的名传道、奉你的名赶鬼、奉你的名行许多异能吗？’我就明明地告诉他们说：‘我从来不认识你们，你们这些作恶的人，离开我去吧！’”（马太福音 7:21-23）可见，人可以呼喊祂的名，自称有信心，甚至行大事，却因仍活在罪中而被弃绝。神的旨意不是空话，也不是外表的表现，而是离弃罪恶，真心遵守祂的命令。
祂又说：“凡遵行我天父旨意的人，就是我的弟兄、姐妹和母亲了。”（马太福音 12:50）这表明遵行神旨意甚至比血缘关系更重要。在生活中，这意味着我们的真正家人，是那些顺服神的人，而不仅是血统相连的人。耶稣还应许说：“人若立志遵着他的旨意行，就必晓得这教训或是出于神，或是我凭着自己说的。”（约翰福音 7:17）凡真心愿意行神旨意的人，神必赐下光照和悟性，使他们不被迷惑。
耶稣用两条诫命总结全部律法和先知：“你要尽心、尽性、尽意爱主你的神，这是诫命中的第一，且是最大的。其次也相仿，就是要爱人如己。这两条诫命是律法和先知一切道理的总纲。”（马太福音 22:37-40）遵行神的旨意，首先是全心爱神，其次是像爱自己一样去爱人。在日常生活中，这意味着对人有耐心，慷慨，仁慈，并且饶恕，就像我们也希望别人这样待我们。
耶稣更把标准提高，吩咐我们不仅爱邻舍，还要爱仇敌：“只是我告诉你们，要爱你们的仇敌，为那咒诅你们的祝福，善待那恨你们的，为那凌辱你们、逼迫你们的祷告，这样就可以做你们天父的儿子。因为他叫日头照好人，也照歹人，降雨给义人，也给不义的人。”（马太福音 5:44-45）神的旨意是祂的儿女要像祂一样有怜悯，甚至善待仇敌。在生活中，这意味着为伤害我们的人祷告，不以恨报恨，在别人期待我们行恶的时候，以善回应。这样，我们就显明自己是天父的儿女。
因此，耶稣教导我们祷告说：“愿你的国降临，愿你的旨意行在地上，如同行在天上。”（马太福音 6:10）在天上，神的旨意是完全的，耶稣教导我们在地上也要这样顺服。遵行神的旨意，就是让我们的生命反映祂的国度，充满爱、圣洁和怜悯。
所以，神的旨意在旧约和耶稣的话里都很清楚、不改变。就是要尽心爱祂，守祂的诫命，敬畏祂，行祂的道，行公义，好怜悯，存谦卑的心与祂同行；要信祂的儿子，听祂的话并实行，离弃罪恶，爱人如己，甚至爱仇敌。凡遵行祂旨意的人，才是祂真正的儿女，真正的家人，并必得永生。因为耶稣亲自说过：“差我来者的意思，就是叫一切见子而信的人得永生，并且在末日我要叫他复活。”（约翰福音 6:40）
愿神赐福。
soberxp
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soberxp
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I used chat GPT for the translation. I have a friend who lost her job as a translator because it does a good job for translation. I am glad to see it worked.
Blessings.
We don't even contribute our faith in Christ?
Doesn't Eph 2:8 state that we are saved by our faith?
Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Also, let me clarify that, yes, we contribute NOTHING to our initial salvation except for our faith...
however, AFTER salvation, we are required to obey the commandments of God,,,the commandments Jesus left us with.
Jesus said that IF we love Him we will obey His commandments....
If we DO NOT obey His commandments it means we do not love Him...
and if we do not love Him...we are not loving God....and this is one of the 2 great commandments Jesus left with us....
LOVE GOD.
Matthew 22:37-39
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a]
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]
You're going to have to provide some verses that state that we get saved FIRST
and THEN
get saved.
Because if we have the Holy Spirit within us, it means we're saved.
Romans 8:9-10
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Paul teaches, above, that a person that does not have the Spirit of Christ...does not belong to Him.
This means that if a person DOES have the Spirit, He DOES belong to God...
that person is ALREADY saved...according to you that person is not saved yet.
Paul repeats this teaching in
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
See Faithwilldo,,,,if the Spirit dwells in us....we are the temple of God...
at that point we become saved....
when the Spirit of God dwells in us.
I'm afraid you have it backwards....
first one hears and believes and then he becomes born again:
Romans 10:17
17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
Faith is what saves.
Romans 1:7 states TO ALL WHO ARE BELOVED OF GOD IN ROME...CALLED AS SAINTS.
Yes. The saved are called to be saints.
Just as Paul states in verse 1 that HE was called to be an Apostle...
WE are not called to be Apostles, but we are called to be saints....which means set apart to work for God.
You're going to have to do better than this...
Romans 12:3 does not mean what you THINK it means.
God has given to each a measure of faith simply means that we are all part of the body of Christ and each one of us has his own task to fulfill. God has alotted to each one of us a measure of faith so as to carry out our task. Some will have more to do and some will have less to do.
So you agree that we hear the word and then we come to have faith in God and become saved?
And of course 1 Cor 12:3 is correct.
The Holy Spirit helps us to do what God would want us to do.
To say that Jesus is doing the works through us creates problems.
If we DO NOT do the work,,,
can we then hold Jesus responsible for our lack of good will?
If Jesus is responsible for our doing the good work...
He is also responsible if we DO NOT DO IT.
This puts all the responsibility on God....
even when we sin.
Right.
And it is JESUS' fault if we are not producing good works because up above you said that HE is doing all the works THROUGH US.
You have a real problem here.
Again, you have an incorrect understanding of what it means to have a measure of faith.
Incorrect theology leads to incorrect theology.
It sound to me like YOU are preaching a different gospel.
The gospel accepted by Christianity states that we
HEAR THE WORD
ACCEPT THE WORD
HAVE FAITH
BELIEVE
ARE SAVED
YOU, OTOH, are stating that we have to have faith and believe FIRST
and then get saved.
This is backwards.
And is not the gospel as is taught in the NT.
Yes sir.
Agreed.
Except that according to YOU....the apostacy will be due to Jesus non-actions and has nothing to do with the babe in Christ.
But above you stated that a babe CAN become apostate.
Your statements are conflicting.
And many more will be losing their jobs...
in the millions.
Could you read my post no. 271 and tell me what you think of it?
We rely of the Holy Spirit to help us to do good works.
BUT
Is it US doing the good work or is it the Holy Spirit??
There's a difference between the Holy Spirit helping us to do good works
and the Holy Spirit doing the good work.
Maybe you could clarify...
Yes, I agree milllions will, did you see the advancements in robotics, BMW is now replacing humans to assemble cars in their manufacturing plants, they use humanoid robots and they double up in speed about every 6 months, work long shifts before needing to recharge..
BMW 'human' robot gets major upgrade with 400% speed increase
AN eerie fleet of humanoid robots has been employed by BMW, and productivity is off the charts.Figure Robotics founder Brett Adcock shared a bizarre v
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soberxp
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I agree with you.
I'm familiar with the problem,
For by the work of flesh,no any effect.
For by the help of Holy spirit, This effect does not work on the flesh, but on the mind , heart and the soul.
And the word and help of the Holy Spirit is not accusatory, as we are, as described in the Bible.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Dear GodsGrace,
Thanks for the detailed response. I will respond in a general way to your comments since they are primarily based upon your false belief that a person must add their own works to be saved. Scripture teaches that Christ does all the works, including giving a person their faith in Him. He is the Savior and He does the saving.
First of all, you must remember that mankind was created spiritually marred and subject to vanity. In this condition, mankind developed a carnal mind which causes mankind to sin. When a person sins, they become a child of the Devil who is condemned already.
Also, the carnal mind of man has a hatred for God and cannot understand God's ways, nor does it give a person the desire to follow Christ. If Christ didn't give a person the Early Rain, they would remain an unbeliever until they die.
Below is why Peter and the other apostles were able to recognize who Jesus was and why they had faith.
These verses apply:
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.
If Peter's ability to understand who Jesus was came from his own natural abilities, Christ would have told him so at that time. But Christ did not do so because mankind has no ability to "see" and accept who Jesus is a part from having at least a small measure of the Holy Spirit within them. For that reason, Christ tells Peter that the truth that was revealed to Him came from His Father in heaven and did not come from his own natural abilities (flesh and blood).
If the Father had not blessed Peter with eyes that can see, Peter would have never understood or accepted that Jesus was the Christ.
The truth that I explained above is a foundational concept that the carnal mind of man will not accept. The carnal mind tells the person that they have at least some good in them and that they have the ability to make the choice as to whether or not to have faith in Christ. However, this supposed free will ability is a lie from Satan. When a babe accepts this lie, they become a man of sin who sits in God's Temple claiming to be God who alone has a free will ability.
Since God causes all things to happen in this creation, even the evil that is in the world originates with God. When a person sins, it is because it was God's "will" for it to happen. Since this is what Paul taught to the babes in his churches, Paul was asked about the fairness of why God still holds a person accountable for their sins since God was the cause of it happening.
Here is the scripture:
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Nothing in this creation happens by chance or by mankind's supposed free will ability. All things come from God - and that includes the evil in this world.
Consider these scriptures:
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High doth not there proceed evil and good?
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?
Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Job 2:10 But he said to her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. We have also received good from God, and should we not receive evil? In all this Job did not sin with his lips.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The pathway to salvation that is presented in many of Christ's teachings includes a time of great tribulation where every babe will fall from grace and become apostate. The babe has no free will ability to avoid it happening to them because it was God's "will" for it to happen. As Mat 4:4 says, mankind is not saved (lives) by bread alone. The pathway to salvation includes a time of eating leavened bread which is the reason why a babe will become unfaithful and mixes in works with faith. When a babe does this mixing, they will no longer be under the New Covenant of Grace through Faith and will no longer be justified.
I want to address one other point that you made which concerns salvation. Mankind's salvation occurs when a person is spiritually made to be like Christ who does not sin and who only walks by the Spirit. In other words, mankind's salvation is being converted from a child of the Devil into being a child of God.
To accomplish a person's salvation, Christ will come to the person without their asking and without their permission (just like Christ did with Paul on the Damascus Road). When Christ comes, He will freely give the person a small measure of the Holy Spirit. The Early Rain will produce faith within the person after they hear the Gospel. It is this faith that justifies them before the Law and before God. However, at this point, the person remains unconverted and is therefore not saved yet. To be saved, Christ must appear to the person a second time (the second coming of Christ) and convert them. It is the person's faith that makes Christ's pathway straight for Him to come and do this work.
Since the time Paul's death, the pathway to salvation started including a time of being apostate. When a babe becomes apostate, they will follow Satan's false gospel which mixes works with faith. When a babe does this mixing, they have spiritually fornicated with Satan which makes them "unfaithful" (no longer a chaste virgin). In this condition, the pathway for Christ to appear to them a second time has been made "crooked" so He will not appear and convert them.
Because Satan teaches the crooked way of works, Satan is called the crooked serpent.
For the babes who are elect, Christ will come to them a second time and give them the baptism of the Holy Spirit. With the Latter Rain, the person's spiritual blindness will be healed and they will come out from Satan's deceptions. This is when the person will see the Abomination of Desolation that previously occurred within themselves.
After the person's faith has been restored by the Latter Rain, Christ's pathway will again be made straight. Christ will then immediately appear to them and the Day of the Lord will commence. During this judgment, Christ will remove and destroy the spirit of anti-Christ and the person's marred spirit which has made them carnally minded and sinful. In Christ's spiritual language, mankind's marred and sinful spirit is commonly called a harlot or a Great Harlot.
Here is a scripture that shows this judgment:
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field (contained in one person); the one shall be taken (the spirit of anti-Christ/man of sin), and the other left (Holy Spirit/child of God). 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill (contained in one person); the one shall be taken (the Great Harlot/marred spirit), and the other left (new spirit with a divine nature).
After this judgment is complete, the individual will be converted and saved.
Joe
PS95
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Amen my friend. Your last sentence is where I think the problem is for some. Faith in what HE HAS DONE. It's not that faith and works save us.. I would never word it that way as some do. Our Faith has to come first.= Faith in Jesus and what he has done for us-- that has to be separated from any "works"!! Only Jesus saves. Maybe some need to STOP there and really understand that.
Our works are a result of THAT saving faith.. As you worded is
Faith in what God has done for us, which leads to obedience.
I make that distinction once again for those who "sound" as if they are saying -- faith and works are needed for salvation which puts them on an equal footing. As if you can earn life. No no..
Works are the result- the proof- the natural reaction to saving Faith in Jesus.
Idk maybe it's just me- but when I read some people in this thread I don't see that distinction being made- could be I am mistaken.. But we need to be careful about how this is worded. It makes a world of difference.
How can you love Him as deeply as we can if you don't grasp that first? It's that love that causes our works.
Sometimes this is hard to explain... it's sort of like the chicken and the egg.. the cart before the horse type of thing.. Am I even making sense now? lol
GRACE ambassador
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Amen! That is why I try to encourage the Confused With Exactly What "God Has DONE For us At our
Moment of faith!":
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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God's Eternal Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance
Amen.
PS95
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Amen- it seems to be being overlooked- it can't be!!
Then someone will say- "well if I don't have works then I am not saved so works do save us... "
I say- YOU WILL have works if you ARE saved.
Be saved first!
Then walk in His love.
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