Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom
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Dear Brakelite,
I will respond to just one of your comments.
Here is the verse again:
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
You said:
The sword was a metaphor for all violence and hatred and killing.
That is the same understanding of that verse that you posted earlier and that is what what I responded to in my last post to you.
You have two problems with your understanding.
Firstly, your understanding is demonstrably not true because not all people who use violence will perish by violence. There are countless examples in history. And since Christ does not lie and is never mistaken, your understanding of Christ's statement cannot be true.
Secondly, Christ only teaches in His spiritual language that uses "spirit" words. Spirit words carry meanings that are different than how man's wisdom understands them.
1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things (words) with spiritual (words).
You are violating what Paul stated above. You have not compared the spirit word "sword" is how it is used elsewhere in scripture, nor have you been guided by the Spirit of Truth to discern the word's true meaning.
When I look to other scripture, I can see that the spirit word "sword" only means the Word of God who is Christ. With the guidance of the Spirit of Truth, the meaning of Christ's statement is "all who begin following Christ after receiving the Early Rain (they have taken up the Sword), will later die by the Word of God when Christ comes to them a second time and converts them. At that time, the child of God is born and the child of the Devil perishes by the Sword (Word of God).
When a believer is not converted, they are carnally minded and spiritually blind. In this condition, they are babes who can only draw milk. They do not have the Spirit of Truth to guide them so that they can understand Christ's spiritual teachings.
So why does Christ not allow a babe to understand His truth of the New Covenant?
It's because the pathway to salvation includes a time of great tribulation where each babe will be deceived by Satan and become apostate; a man of sin.
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).
You don't seem to believe that this scripture above applies to you. It has been my experience that the reason most babes don't think it applies to them is because they believe in the false doctrine of Free Will. When a babe believes that they have a free will ability, they believe that they can direct their own steps so as to avoid Satan's deceptions. Most of them believe that they too smart or too wise to ever fall for his deceptions. However, that is not what Christ says below:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Many of Christ's spiritual teachings include a time when a babe is under Satan's deceptions. Since it is God's "will" for it to be this way, no babe can avoid becoming apostate. It is just not possible.
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Joe
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PS95
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Grace, this is sad. Of course Faith is essential. I never said it wasn't!! Do you read what I write? Why do you do that? faith without love is worthless. Good deeds are worthless without love. THAT is what I said. That is what the scriptures say.1 Cor 13 is YOUR verse.
I wanted to know what verse I posted that you did not agree.
But no matter,,,
there seems to be a communication gap here so better to end this conversation.
You say that Faith and §Works take a back seat to love.
I said that even atheists can do works out of love.
Are they saved?
No.
Because without faith we will not be saved.
Now you say faith must work through love.
I don't know any Christian that does not agree with this.
That's it for me.
You did not agree before. Go read your own posts. So if you do now- good.
PS95
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Locust is a JW- Ask him why being a locust is a good thing? he thinks he is a locust from Rev 9- coming to "harm" you since you are not a Jw and therefore no HS. His king is Abbadon from the pit.. (aka the Lord). No I'm not kidding.
Jw idea of the kingdom.. His leaders and other jw elect are to be the only ones who go to heaven along with the Apostles and Michael the archangel aka Abaddon. They will all rule over the Jws and others on "paradise" earth where people are resurrected back to their same mortal sinful flesh and can earn eternal life by obeying the new rules.
See this brief summary I wrote the other day on this very thread for more-
Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom
When a person's sins, it is because it was God's "will" for it to happen. God puts all the pieces in place so that the only outcome is for the person to make the decision to sin (even a specific sin and at a specific time). God leaves nothing up to chance or to mankind's "will". The apostate...
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The Kingdom of heaven always means heaven.
The Kingdom of God could mean the Kingdom that Jesus meant to establish on earth
or
heaven...it depends on the context.
The Kingdom of God is a spiritual Kingdom to which all believers belong...
and it will spill into a real Kingdom...an earth made better by the beliefs of Christians and how they effect
all aspects of life here.
IOW...if everyone that claimed to be Christian really behaved like one...
think of how much better our daily lives would be just by having person
love God, their neighbor and themselves.
Matthew 6:10 is the Kingdom of God on earth.
I'm sure we'll meet up again.Grace, this is sad. Of course Faith is essential. I never said it wasn't!! Do you read what I write? Why do you do that? faith without love is worthless. Good deeds are worthless without love. THAT is what I said. That is what the scriptures say.
You did not agree before. Go read your own posts. So if you do now- good.
For now...it'll have to end here.
BTW, my name is not Grace.
I was referring to God's grace.
Most refer to me as GG
or if you like a real name, it's Fran.
Dan Clarkston
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That's not what the scripture teaches... some actually do go back to living after the flesh (in sin) after having come to the Truth and being born again.
1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)
2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)
Brakelite
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“For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. ”
2 Corinthians 13:8 KJV
Yes my friend but i was speaking of these John 10
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Who is it that rules in heaven ? Jesus recognizes that God will Rule over the Earth.
Bladerunner
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No, the Kingdom of Heaven was preached by Jesus and is found in the early pages of Matthew. After it was pretty apparent that the Jews would not accept Jesus as the Mashiach Nagid thus Jesus stopped Preaching of this time....The Millennium was suddenly postponed for over 2000 years so far.
The Kingdom of God is in Heaven, not on earth.
PS95
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- New heavens- new earth- The holy city, the new Jerusalem, comes down out of heaven from God & He will dwell with us Rev 21
Bladerunner
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you have left out the 1000 years of the millennium that come before the New Heavens and New Earth. oops
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It’s true that Scripture talks about people turning from the truth:
“But you, anointed one, listen! A time is coming, and it is now here, when those who are in you will be deleting the law of your Messiah from their scrolls and will not be finding your words.” (Isaiah 8:16)
“For you, anointed one, hear what the Lord is saying: ‘A time is coming, and it will come upon the house of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will stir up within them a spirit of stupor, of blindness and deafness: both their eyes and their ears. Then they will come and grovel long and hard before the Lord who gave them pleasure, but they will not give heed to him at all.” (Zachariah 12:1–2)
“So then, they have departed from us to show that they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but the truth has been made manifest among them, that none of them are of us. (1 John 2:19)
The thing to notice about this verse and others like it is that they are talking about professing believers, but in John’s wording, the ones who left were never saved to begin with. The Bible makes a clear distinction between professing faith and being possessed of faith.
If the person is really a child of Christ, then they will persevere. The fact that they left shows they never were saved.
Jesus said the same in the Parable of the Sower. (Matthew 13) He said some hear the Word with joy but are “rootless” and fall away in times of trial (Matthew 13:20–21). This does not mean they were saved and then lost salvation. It means it never really started.
Jesus also said to the wicked workers in the vineyard: “‘I never knew you’” (Matthew 7:23)
It’s not like He knew them, then lost them, they were never known by Christ. “You who are hearing are not listening like a believer.” (Matthew 13:9)
A genuine believer can never be lost; they are kept by the power of God. “My sheep hear my voice and I know them, and they follow me (John 10:27). “And I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.” (John 10:28)
“Whoever was born of God does not keep on sinning, for his seed remains in him.” (1 John 3:9)
So it’s true that some do fall away as Paul and Peter prophesied. But when that happens, it’s proof that they were never saved in the first place. As Jesus put it: “He that endureth to the end shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)
The test of a true believer is not that they never sin, but that they never remain lost. The God of the universe keeps His own by His Spirit.
It's really something to behold....
Christians that know nothing of church history.
Please don't take my word for it:
Please study on what 1 John 2:19 is referring to.
It is referring to gnostics that had entered the church...
it has nothing to do with believers..it has to do with gnostics.
Gnostics are not Christian and did not belong then - nor they belong now - in the Christian church.
There is no distinction between professing faith and those that left the faith.
Paul speaks of falling away. What do you suppose these are falling away from?
Hebrews 3:12
12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.
It is possible to FALL AWAY from the living God.
Please note re the sower of the seeds: YOUR verses...
Matthew 13:20-21
20 "The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.
Note: The word is received with joy.
But it is only TEMPORARY.....temporary means something was and then was not.
Because of tribulaton he immediately FALLS AWAY.
Falls away from what?
Luke tells the same parable and actually uses the word BELIEVES....he BELIEVES for a while and then falls awayl.
Same idea.
So Paul and Matthew and Luke agree.
James also agrees:
A brother that WANDERS AWAY is lost.
James 5:19-20
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
A brother that wanders away and is then TURNED BACK....will have his soul saved from death.
If he remains in the wandering state...his soul is lost.
Where dies the NT state this?
What it states is exactly the opposite.
Jesus Himself warns that we could be cut off from Him...
John 15:2a
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;
Please note: The branch is IN JESUS....the person is a saved person.
The person does not bear fruit...
the person is taken away.
Replied to above.
Jesus said WHY He never knew them.
Please post Matthew 7:23 and show where the word BORN AGAIN is used.
It's not there.
Jesus said He didn't know them because they were LAWLESS.
If we do not OBEY God....He will state that He never knew us.
You're reading into scripture what YOU believe to be true.
You're adding words to Matthew 13:9 too !
We're told not to do this in Revelation.
You seem to make a habit of it.
Here is your verse. to which you are adding your own words.
BELIEVER is nowhere to be found in the verse:
Matthew 13:9
9 "He who has ears, let him hear."
Jesus is teaching something.
He's saying TO LISTEN TO HIM.
NOTHING there about believers.
He's merely saying that the smart FWILL listen to Him.
WILL listen.
And it's interesting that you add BELIEVERS to 13:9
but will not do so in 13:21
You are not properly dividing the Word of God.
Jesus gives eternal life to those who follow Him.
Where does this state they can NEVER be lost when He CLEARLY stated a person could be lost
in John 15:2 ?
And who endures to the end?
UNBELIEVERS???
No.
Believers must endure to the end.
The first part of your sentence is correct.
The second part is not understandable.
Are you saying that if a person sins they become lost?
Be consistent.
The last part of your sentence is almost blasphemous.
It stating that if a believer sins, it's OK because:
1. God will put up with it.
2. God is unable to keep him from sinning.
In either case, it's incorrect.
The Kingdom of God is on earth,,,right now.
The two terms can be used interchangeably...
Kingdom of God
Kingdom of Heaven (usually Kingdom of Heaven refers to heaven)
Matthew 4:17
"Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."
Do you believe that nothing like heaven existed until Jesus said this?
Where did the dead believers go? Could it have been heaven or something similar (Paradise, Hades).
Matthew 5:13-16, 27-48 speaks of the Kingdom of God and those that are participating in it.
Matthew chapters 6-7 go on to describe the Kingdom of God....
Matthew chapter 13:44-51 speaks to the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 6:33
“But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.”
Does this sound like Jesus telling us to do something right now, right here?
How do we seek the Kingdom of God if He means the heaven realm?
Won't we already be in the heaven realm?
Mark 1:15
“The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
If Jesus was teaching about the heavenly realm...WHY do we need to repent and believe?
Didn't we already repent and believe?
Luke 4:43
“But He said to them, ‘I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent.'”
Jesus mission was twofold:
1. Atone for the sins of mankind.
2. Establish the Kingdom of God on earth.
Luke 4:43 clearly states that Jesus Himself stated that His mission/purpose was to preach the Kingdom of God to all cities.
There's a lot more, but I'll end here.
This is accepted Christian theology.
If you don't accept it....your choice.
Some reading along might be interested to know that Jesus spoke about being born from above one time....
He spoke about the Kingdom many many times...
God WILL rule over the earth.
But not right now.
Who do YOU believe is the head of the Body of Christ?
Is the Body of Christ the Kingdom of God on earth?
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The first principle in Scriptural interpretation is letting Scripture interpret Scripture. The Word of God cannot contradict itself. When John says, “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2: 19), context reveals these were professing Christians that were never actually believers. John’s point was not that people could lose salvation but rather that they showed they never had it when they walked away. Jesus taught the same principle: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven… I never knew you” (Matthew 7:21–23). Note He does not say, “I knew you, but you fell away.” He said, “I never knew you.” In other words, there was never a genuine relationship to begin with.
Hebrews 3:12 talks about an unbelieving heart that hardens itself, but that doesn’t mean that true believers can lose their salvation. The same book also says, “We have come to share in Christ if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end” (Hebrews 3:14). Perseverance is the evidence of salvation, not the condition for maintaining salvation. The genuine believer will persevere because God will keep him in Christ. “He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).
John 15:2 is often cited as proof that believers can lose their salvation. Jesus said, “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away.” But we must ask, What does “in Me” mean in this context? It is talking about outward connection, not inward regeneration. Judas was “in” the group of twelve, but he was never “in Christ” by faith. That is why Jesus said, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away” (John 15:6). If a branch is removed, the evidence proves it never was truly grafted.
The parable of the sower also teaches this. The rocky ground received the word “with joy,” but they had no root (Matthew 13:20–21). The word “root” is the language of life; there was an emotional response but no regeneration. Luke 8: 13 doesn’t say, “believes for a while,” to describe a saving faith. The reason it’s different is because Scripture clearly distinguishes between false belief (John 2: 23–25) and genuine saving faith (1 John 5:4–5).
Jesus promised eternal security to His sheep: “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish” (John 10:27–28). “Never perish” can never mean “perish later.” The same God who gives salvation is the God who keeps salvation. “Kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” (1 Peter 1:5).
Believers are indeed called to endure, but endurance is the fruit of genuine salvation, not the means by which to maintain it. Those who fall away never possessed the new life of the Spirit. The Word of God is not self-contradictory. Salvation is eternal, purchased by Christ’s finished work, not by man’s performance. “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that I should lose nothing of all that He has given Me” (John 6:39). If Jesus will not lose any, then none who are truly His will be lost.
When someone battles the truth of salvation security, the spirit in them often reveals one of two things: either they are saved but immature in the Spirit and need to be rebuked by Scripture, or they have never placed their faith in Christ alone, but still believe in some self-effort. The difference is resting in Jesus's finished work or in one's own effort to maintain it. Beware because this is important to the reality of true salvation.
“The Lord knows those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19). And those who are His will never be lost.
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