Origin Of The Nations

[tim_from_pa]

I want to share a web site called www.originofnations.org . I got their book that traces the sons of Noah, otherwise based on the "table of the nations" in Genesis 10. I got the book off of amazon because the site charges over $50 for the book---- it's a very large paperback book (over 400 pages) as big as an atlas but at amazon I managed to get a used one for about $20. It was a long read! About two months for me. The author (if you can find his name because he decided to go by an organizational name) has listed literally hundreds of references and is very well researched. Of course he also traces the lost ten tribes of Israel to Britain, NW Europe and America.While visiting the site, take note that they have lots of old, free BI literature including the famous Judah's Sceptre Joseph's Birthright by J. H. Allen.Here's a quick article by Edward Hine written in 1876 Seven-eighths of the bible misunderstood. His article claims that since most people do not differentiate between the Jews and Israel, that 7/8's of the bible is misunderstood. Pay special attention to the first paragraph. If one does as he says, and yet don't know Judah from Israel, then indeed most of the bible is theoretically misunderstood.

 

[Christina]

Here's a quick article by Edward Hine written in 1876 Seven-eighths of the bible misunderstood. His article claims that since most people do not differentiate between the Jews and Israel, that 7/8's of the bible is misunderstood. Pay special attention to the first paragraph. If one does as he says, and yet don't know Judah from Israel, then indeed most of the bible is theoretically misunderstood. (quote) Amen to this true statement Tim as we have seen the evidence here up close and personal

P.S.Would you post this link on HBG please

 

[Vickie]

Here's a quick article by Edward Hine written in 1876 Seven-eighths of the bible misunderstood. His article claims that since most people do not differentiate between the Jews and Israel, that 7/8's of the bible is misunderstood. Pay special attention to the first paragraph. If one does as he says, and yet don't know Judah from Israel, then indeed most of the bible is theoretically misunderstood. (quote) Amen to this true statement Tim as we have seen the evidence here up close and personal

P.S.Would you post this link on HBG please

It is sad to see men like Mr. Hines who speaks things that are not true and makes statements that God is so handicapped by one little thing like that, is insanity. God alone keeps his book closed to understanding and decides HIMSELF whether to open a person eyes to understanding. It's God's decision alone, and if our Lord chooses not to allow understanding to a certain person, no man on this earth can grasp it. If one doesn't understand about the tribe of Judah and Israel, which is history alone, they can still know the way of God. Knowledge of the Tribes in depth is not going to keep one from knowing God. God is not that narrow minded, as Mr. Hines would have a person think. Based on what you just posted he said, I would NOT read any of his books, or take any of his theology into my house.

 

[HammerStone]

A valuable resource indeed, Tim. Thanks so much for sharing this, I'm going to work on a copy of that book myself!Ezekiel 37, why would two sticks be joined together if they were not separate for a reason?

 

[Vickie]

A valuable resource indeed, Tim. Thanks so much for sharing this, I'm going to work on a copy of that book myself!Ezekiel 37, why would two sticks be joined together if they were not separate for a reason?

Good morning SwampFox. The two sticks being joined back together is God's promise for God is the one who causedthem to separate under the two kings, Jeroboam and Rehoboam. I Kings 12 makes it very clear the separation and verse 19of 1 Kings is the conformation of God letting it be known these two tribes will remain separated. Then Our Lord has Ezekiel understand and write the two sticks are showing these two houses will be back together at the Lord's coming andthe setting up of the Kingdom of God here on earth at the Resurrection of the Dead. Aside from all of this written in the bible, it is not right for a man to make a comment that people can not understand the bible if they don't understand about Judah and Israel. That is saying God has no power except under certain conditions. God wants a person to know him, he will. I am watching a person now,that I personally know, who does not understand the bible and God's spirit isupon them, bring them into the coming kingdom. And I know of others, so I find a statement like the one Mr. Hine's is suppose to have said to be offensive and not biblical. It is not my intention to insult your choice of books to read, but the writer I am turned away from with his understanding and theology. Thanks

 

[HammerStone]

I don't think that was the claim. I'm highly suspicious; in fact, I am down right certain that anyone claiming to know it all about the Bible is telling a lie. I do believe you can get to heaven without understanding those 7/8 of the Bible, as Christ told us:

John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I don't believe this was ever qualified by believing this or that.Similarly, this is the argument I often see cropping up about those of us whom understand the progression of the so-called "lost" tribes of Israel. Our brother Judah is over there in Israel, but it is merely a part of the whole. The very term Jew comes to use from Judah, and we have retained that kernel of truth, though we have lost the rest.If you don't see it that way, I am not here to force a view. However, study of the Bible and influence of the Holy Spirit has brought me to the realization that the tribes came across the Caucus mountains and became known as Caucasians. Even archaeological evidence bears this out. The two sticks will be joined at the appointed time, and those in slumber will awake.

 

[Martin W.]

Origins of The Nations and the article by Edward Hine look like something straight out of the library of Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God.

 

[tim_from_pa]

Origins of The Nations and the article by Edward Hine look like something straight out of the library of Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God.

That's correct. If I had to go with anyone preaching about lost tribes, I'd go with Armstrong, and similar teachings. The modern day preachers even of this stuff are mostly corrupt and then they give the teaching a bad name. At least Armstrong kept his pants up and his head down (in humility) rather than the other way around that I see everyone do the opposite today.

 

[Vickie]

Origins of The Nations and the article by Edward Hine look like something straight out of the library of Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God.

Hello Martin. I am not sure what Armstrong had in his library, but Herbert was very much a believer in the lost tribes. I am not sure what happened, but at some point Herbert quit publishing the United States and Britain in prophecy. He believed the U.S was Manasseh and Britain was Ephraim if I remember correctly. Then Herbert said the men whom he has sent out to gather this information had not been honest and these books on the lost tribes and Am & BTN, in prophecy were removed. I actually liked Mr. Armstrong. He made some major mistakes, but when he was wrong he did go public with it. A lot of the offspring churches from WCG have taken up the lost tribe theory and purchased copyrights to some of his writings. Making his writings their message. They missed the gospel and have put their focus on a man's writings. It doesn't matter what tribe you're from if your not right with God, nor the covenant your under, you face disaster and wrath for not being obedient. The punishment God has promised to those who will not listen to him and carry out all of His commands, and who reject his decrees, and abhor HIS LAWS and fail to carry out ALL OF HIS COMMANDS and so violate the COVENANT, will suffer sudden terror,wasting disease and will destroy one's sight and drain away their life, if this correction is not accepted, from God more bad things will happen. Lev 26:14-41, a verbal repentance is required to the Lord from those under covenant with Jacob, with Abraham, just as these verses proclaim it too us all. All of God's laws require obedience and we are all told to honor God with our body and our actions to others. This to me should be the message to every believer weekly to keep them focused on the path that they not be left to face the wrath of God. Thanks

 

[Vickie]

That's correct. If I had to go with anyone preaching about lost tribes, I'd go with Armstrong, and similar teachings. The modern day preachers even of this stuff are mostly corrupt and then they give the teaching a bad name. At least Armstrong kept his pants up and his head down (in humility) rather than the other way around that I see everyone do the opposite today.

I do believe Mr. Armstrong was sincere, and had many ministers who weren't sincere, but power hungry. Money, greed, and power over the people was a common thread that ran through the congregations by many of the ministers. Whether Herbert knew all of it I am not sure, but he was aware of a lot of it. Though, Herbert made trips to Israel, he at some point realized what he had been fed as fact by some of his top men, where untruths and pulled a lot of his books off the shelf, no longer available to the congregations. These controlling ministers have spun off many churches and teach the teachings of the 10 tribes. Not meaning to belittle anyone, but if people would study their bible without other books, as much as they read other's books on the bible, they all would come to the same understanding in many things. Instead many take written books from a writer who has only come to know so much about the bible and incorporate their theory not moving past what they think they understand. The readers, like the writer they're following, they too stay at that understanding and loose the ability to learn more of God's word. But get caught up reading all the writings from a man on the bible. A great loss in learning the complete truth happens to many who do this. Plus they stay in the mind set of the man's writing they are studying the bible with. thanks

 

[tim_from_pa]

It's amazing how people can challenge a well researched book such as this. I have the humility to say that I cannot challenge it, and am willing to change my viewpoint if need be, more than other self-satisfied complacent "Christians" will admit because the stance they take is that "they are right" and won't question themselves because they already made up their minds even though they can't hold a candle to the likes of our researcher to this book. Astounding.As for the lost tribes, what's the point of trying to convince some as to who they are? If they are too abysmally ignorant to see who they are, then that's their problem, not mine. Dream on in the delusion that you are a Christian.

 

[Vickie]

It's amazing how people can challenge a well researched book such as this. I have the humility to say that I cannot challenge it, and am willing to change my viewpoint if need be, more than other self-satisfied complacent "Christians" will admit because the stance they take is that "they are right" and won't question themselves because they already made up their minds even though they can't hold a candle to the likes of our researcher to this book. Astounding.As for the lost tribes, what's the point of trying to convince some as to who they are? If they are too abysmally ignorant to see who they are, then that's their problem, not mine. Dream on in the delusion that you are a Christian.

I am familiar with the teachings of the lost tribes and much more of what H.Armstrong printed and taught. In your respond above you state virtually the same as Mr. Hines, the blood of Christ, his power and all HE came and has done is not enough for a believer, but rather the tribal bloodline is more saving, knowing you of the tribe. The New Covenant has no barring on the Christian, the power of the Holy Spirit has no effect on any one, but must be in the knowledge of the bloodlines of the tribes. Then your calling those not willing to be brought into that mindset, too abysmally ignorant. Do you not know that you are deny the power of Christ and the Father in their bringing many sons to glory, through the belief in Christ and their giving of the Holy Spirit? We haven't much time left here before the tribulation comes full swing in America and all over the world. Our Lord is coming and if you don't know him and trust HIM ALONE, how will you stand through all of this? We have to have faith in trusting him and knowing HIM. The bloodline will not save for there are many of the bloodline who have broken the covenant with God and this includes the Christians too, and great judgment is coming upon all people of the earth. It is coming from our LORD. We are to be tried as gold is in fire. Do you know what that encompasses? Vickie