Our inner child needs divine love

[Mr E]

Amen. God calls sinner to repentance, and draws the righteous into the higher walk. Jesus didn't come to call the righteous to repentance....those that are well don't need a doctor.

And Jesus never mentioned a higher walk. That’s the imaginary gospel according to Epis.

 

[ChristisGod]

And Jesus never mentioned a higher walk. That’s the imaginary gospel according to Epis.

Yes indeed it is brother .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ah, but before we are saved, it's God's love that draws us to Him.

true,

but if we do not receive that love, we are condemned already

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen. God calls sinner to repentance, and draws the righteous into the higher walk

Can you explain what this means, draws the righteous into the higher walk?...many thanks @Episkopos

 

[Behold]

Amen. God calls sinner to repentance, and draws the righteous into the higher walk.

And who is the 'righteous" when "all have sinned" ?

A.) The "made righteous", who are born again, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ'.

This is the : CHRISTian.

 

[Ritajanice]

A.) The "made righteous", who are born again, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ'.

That’s what I was thinking, there is no righteousness in us, we are made righteous by God, through the rebirth/ regenerated...as you say we are in the righteousness of Christ.

It will be interesting to read what that means to Episkopos.

 

[Episkopos]

Can you explain what this means, draws the righteous into the higher walk?...many thanks @Episkopos

I think we can get into a kind of circular reasoning about this...one that doesn't take into account the whole counsel of God.

When Jesus said...I came NOT to call the righteous to repentance....most modern believers thinks he meant "self-righteous". But this is the opposite of what it means. Jesus says that the righteous have no need of a doctor. Their heart isn't sick. They just lack the power to walk above sin. One should NOT equate weakness with evil...as SO MANY do nowadays. The righteous will sin...but they will also make restitution. They will beat their chest and be forgiven...just like the Publican in the parable.

Do an honest study on the righteous...both in the OT and NT (the word "just" also means righteous) and you will be surprised how God sees things VERY DIFFERENT than what is taught in the modern popular religious culture. Every generation has its errors. It's wise to seek God to rise above these. Most will not do this and remain in the generational sin.

There are righteous people in the world. These are humble, they suffer, they grieve, they fear God. Righteousness is a disposition of the human heart. God hears the humble...and the meek will inherit the earth. The righteous are scarcely saved...but the saints are ABUNDANTLY saved.


The confusion over this is due to a lack of understanding of anything beyond what has become the present dogmatic religion of "Christianity." But men have taken over the agenda to make it about self-preservation. That's NOT what God desires. Whoever seeks to save their life will lose it.

Jesus called those who would be "perfect" into the higher walk...to walk as He walked...without sin, in His resurrection life. Whoever abides IN Christ does not sin...but walks in the power of His resurrection life.

That is the deeper level of the gospel...Jesus came for a Bride...not just to save the lost.

 

[Episkopos]

And who is the 'righteous" when "all have sinned" ?

A.) The "made righteous", who are born again, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ'.

This is the : CHRISTian.

This is error. The HOLY don't sin. The righteous sin...as the bible teaches. There is none righteous that never sin. A righteous man acknowledges his sins...and therefore God can forgive him. God justifies the repentant heart....declaring it just. Go back to the bible and do an honest study...the Publican was a sinner...but he repented of his sins. God justified him...and that's before Jesus came on the scene.

You need to look into what you are trying to teach others.

 

[marks]

While one could be counted righteous under the Law, that righteousness was through the covering of sacrifice, but it could not make someone spiritually alive. So then, yes, Cornelius was called righteous, yet he still needed Jesus to redeem and regenerate him.

Philippians 3:4-9 KJV
4) Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Paul considers the righteousness of the Law as crap, along with all the rest. He wanted the righteousness of God by faith, recognizing the difference.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Do an honest study on the righteous...

We are in the New Testamet.

A.) "Body of Christ"

Ever heard of that one, Episkopos?

The BORN AGAIN , = the body of Christ.....are Not in the Old Covenant.

A.) No CROSS = No Body of Christ..

Does your cult know that.???
Why don't you bring them up to NT speed. ??

Now......What is the "new Covenant" that is the "Righteousness of God"?

A.) The Cross of Christ

That's it.

So, if you post that your self effort can be compared to God's Holy Son's Sacrifice, then you are deeply deceived, Episkopos.

 

[Behold]

This is error. The HOLY don't sin.

You've sinned., Episkopos.

= "all have sinned"..
If you say you have not sinned, then you deceive yourself, and the truth is not a part of you.

So, now...
What can you do about your sin?
How can you forgive your own sin, when Its GOD you have sinned against?

See that eternal spiritual problem you face?
And you can't solve it by pretending that you trying to be good, is "holiness".
The Law and Commandments can not give you righteousness. So, do Understand that its to live in self deception to believe that they can, or that you can earn righteousness or holiness, by self effort.

See....
"all your works are as filthy rags".
Why?

A.) Because '""All have sinned"".

Solution ?

"Jesus came to SAVE SINNERS".

How?

A.) The CROSS OF CHRIST

As only THERE..... is how we receive God's Righteousness, and that is not "of ourselves".

The CROSS OF CHRIST is the "Gift of Salvation", and "THE Gift of Righteousness". that is created for us by the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
His Resurrection, proves its TRUE.

Jesus has to pay for YOUR SIN, on THE CROSS... before God can take you as His Son., or He never will.
Not ever.

Jesus said...."you must be born again",.... and that means that you have to go to the Cross of Christ by FAITH believing in Jesus, and be forgiven all your SIN.

 

[rockytopva]

The higher walk... Accompanied with the divine love...

My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, - Galatians 4:19

 

[Zachariah]

That seems more like human identity. Spiritual identity has to be in comparison to the life that is in Christ.

Have you experienced eternal consciousness through the new birth of Christ?

Through Truth and a deep understanding of my True self, not the egoic self. Yes I am there. It is a place of rest where I no longer identify with the current world or human condition. The Christians call it the narrow gate. It is in the same place where once I had a big shadow. It has been a hard and destructive proccess but as of now I have attained eternal life.

You say Christ but rather I would call it Truth because I know that Truth is not exclusive to Christianity and I know that myself nor a church can "own" Truth. It is something we align ourself with, just as jesus aligned himseld with it. When we align ourself with Truth we become Truth.

 

[rockytopva]

The higher walk... Accompanied with the divine love...

My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, - Galatians 4:19

As a teenager I had fell in with my generation and that was where my walk focused on three things...

Attention
Appreciation
Acceptance

I moved in with my grandmother and ended up away from my former cares. I would end up farming and attending revivals at the local Pentecostal Holiness church. At the end of that summer we had a good revival in which the Lord seemed there in a mighty way. On reading the book, Run Baby Run, by Nikki Cruise, I felt a voice telling me to put the book down. I paused, and then continued again to read. The voice said again, Put the book down. I slept in my Grandmothers living room on an old fold away cot by the open living room door. The Katydids seemed to be singing very loud that night. There in my Grandmothers clean linens I heard the Spirit speak again, "Where is all the stress, worry and hatred?" In which, upon examining my heart, there was nothing there but pure beauty. I thought to myself. "Oh my! I got exactly what those people got!" I would spend the rest of the summer rejoicing with the people and in revival. In the words of GC Rankin…

“As I sat there that morning listening to the earnest exhortation of the good man my tears ceased, my distress left me, light broke in upon my mind, my heart grew joyous, and before I knew just what I was doing I was going all around shaking hands with everybody, and my confusion and darkness disappeared and a great burden rolled off my spirit. I felt exactly like I did when I was a little boy around my mother's knee when she told of Jesus and God and Heaven. It made my heart thrill then, and the same old experience returned to me in that old country Church that beautiful September morning down in old North Georgia.

I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life.” - The Life of George Clark Rankin

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you for taking the time to explain in your “own words”,the question I asked you. @Episkopos ....

I will get back to you regarding more questions.....it’s good to question .....God has shown me that.....in a civilised respectful manner.

Took years to understand what it means to be respectful in a conversation......self control......PRIDE was my downfall, full of it I was.....

Galatians 5:22-26​

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

 

[Ritajanice]

Paul considers the righteousness of the Law as crap, along with all the rest. He wanted the righteousness of God by faith, recognizing the difference.

Without being birthed in the Spirit/ Born again....we have no righteousness...our righteousness comes from Jesus.....as you say and Behold, there is no righteousness in us, ....

Romans 3:10

Romans 3:10 NLT​

As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous— not even one.

Romans 1:17
Verse Concepts
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”

2 Corinthians 5:21
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He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.


We can only become righteous through Jesus....once we have been supernaturally birthed in the Spirit....that is when we are right before God....it’s through his mercy and grace, that he drew us to Jesus....there is NONE more righteous than Jesus....and we the “ Born Again “ are in His righteousness.....rejoice and Praise His Holy Name!!....my thoughts and belief...

 

[Lizbeth]

Ah, but before we are saved, it's God's love that draws us to Him.

Amen...and then His love is shed abroad in our hearts.

 

[Lizbeth]

Righteousness is a disposition of the human heart.

Not so. God's word says the heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it.

 

[ChristisGod]

This is error. The HOLY don't sin. The righteous sin...as the bible teaches. There is none righteous that never sin. A righteous man acknowledges his sins...and therefore God can forgive him. God justifies the repentant heart....declaring it just. Go back to the bible and do an honest study...the Publican was a sinner...but he repented of his sins. God justified him...and that's before Jesus came on the scene.

You need to look into what you are trying to teach others.

Contradicting scripture again as it clearly states none are righteous not one because all have sinned. Sinners are unrighteous just the opposite of what you said above . Righteousness is synonymous with holiness .

 

[Lizbeth]

We all begin our physical lives here as a helpless child. Without our parents we could do nothing. As we got older we developed a means to cope with, and even thrive in, this world. We tend toward independence.


How strange then to be told by the Lord to go back to our helpless state..being made vulnerable in the world...as sheep among wolves. Unless we be converted as children. Without Christ we can do nothing? Only as we surrender the experienced outer man...our interface with the world that has been developing since we first cried out for our mother....can we enter INTO Christ. Our vessels must be emptied of the flesh before God can pour His Spirit into us.

Being eternally minded means a self-abnegation that seeks no other comfort other than what God sends to us by His Spirit. In our independent state we tend to find comfort for ourselves. But doing that foregoes the need to seek God for His Comforter.

Agree with this (as you know because we have discussed it). The Lord is working in our lives to break the flesh nature in order to free our souls from that bondage that we all fell into when we harkened to the serpent and sinned for the first time....same pattern as Eve. This is what the chastisements of us as sons is all about. His strength is made perfect in our weakness, not in our strength (ie, not in the strength of the flesh nature/old man/outer man).